BLM, ALM, and your friends

[ruby sparks]

Update: all the players in the 1st game ‘took a knee’ before the kick off.

It’s good to see The Premier League, and the players, taking a lead on this.

They may know they need some good PR. There was criticism of some players not agreeing to a pay cut during the lockdown, when other less well paid staff were either furloughed or in some cases let go.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Update: all the players in the 1st game ‘took a knee’ before the kick off.

It’s good to see The Premier League, and the players, taking a lead on this.

They may know they need some good PR. There was criticism of some players not agreeing to a pay cut during the lockdown, when other less well paid staff were either furloughed or in some cases let go.

Was it necessary for the players to piss on the US flag though?

 

[ruby sparks]

I think after the game they also went out and burned down a Burger King.

 

[bilby]

I think after the game they also went out and burned down a Burger King. ??????

Sure, but that's just a requirement of the McDonalds sponsorship deal.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Said the guy who’d go to prison if he said otherwise.

Kind of like the Georgia shooting where they guys were trying to catch a thief (trespasser) who was running away. They caught up to him (trapped him) and then shot when he went for their gun (they shot him).

Odd how the truth seems to be corrupted when the truth would get you sent to prison.

We have other indications of what happened, not just his word.

With "indications" you mean baseless supposition right? Because there is no evidence beyond Zimmerman's word. Unless you are talking about his superficial wounds suffered when he was beaten to an inch of his life.

What his girlfriend heard on the phone.

 

[Metaphor]

Update: all the players in the 1st game ‘took a knee’ before the kick off.

It’s good to see The Premier League, and the players, taking a lead on this.

They may know they need some good PR. There was criticism of some players not agreeing to a pay cut during the lockdown, when other less well paid staff were either furloughed or in some cases let go.

Do you have any sympathy for players who don't want "Black Lives Matter" on the back of their shirt, and who don't want to take a knee?

Do you think people should be forced to participate in political movements at work?

 

[Trausti]

Update: all the players in the 1st game ‘took a knee’ before the kick off.

It’s good to see The Premier League, and the players, taking a lead on this.

They may know they need some good PR. There was criticism of some players not agreeing to a pay cut during the lockdown, when other less well paid staff were either furloughed or in some cases let go.

Do you have any sympathy for players who don't want "Black Lives Matter" on the back of their shirt, and who don't want to take a knee?

Do you think people should be forced to participate in political movements at work?

Don’t be the first to stop clapping for Stalin!

 

[laughing dog]

Update: all the players in the 1st game ‘took a knee’ before the kick off.

It’s good to see The Premier League, and the players, taking a lead on this.

They may know they need some good PR. There was criticism of some players not agreeing to a pay cut during the lockdown, when other less well paid staff were either furloughed or in some cases let go.

Do you have any sympathy for players who don't want "Black Lives Matter" on the back of their shirt, and who don't want to take a knee?

Were there any?

 

[Trausti]

Update: all the players in the 1st game ‘took a knee’ before the kick off.

It’s good to see The Premier League, and the players, taking a lead on this.

They may know they need some good PR. There was criticism of some players not agreeing to a pay cut during the lockdown, when other less well paid staff were either furloughed or in some cases let go.

Do you have any sympathy for players who don't want "Black Lives Matter" on the back of their shirt, and who don't want to take a knee?

Were there any?

LOL. And risk being fired?

 

[blastula]

Update: all the players in the 1st game ‘took a knee’ before the kick off.

It’s good to see The Premier League, and the players, taking a lead on this.

They may know they need some good PR. There was criticism of some players not agreeing to a pay cut during the lockdown, when other less well paid staff were either furloughed or in some cases let go.

Do you have any sympathy for players who don't want "Black Lives Matter" on the back of their shirt, and who don't want to take a knee?

Do you think people should be forced to participate in political movements at work?

You mean like appearing for anthems and military displays and wearing military apparel?

 

[Metaphor]

Update: all the players in the 1st game ‘took a knee’ before the kick off.

It’s good to see The Premier League, and the players, taking a lead on this.

They may know they need some good PR. There was criticism of some players not agreeing to a pay cut during the lockdown, when other less well paid staff were either furloughed or in some cases let go.

Do you have any sympathy for players who don't want "Black Lives Matter" on the back of their shirt, and who don't want to take a knee?

Were there any?

I don't know, but I suspect if there were they did not have meaningful way to opt out.

 

[Metaphor]

Update: all the players in the 1st game ‘took a knee’ before the kick off.

It’s good to see The Premier League, and the players, taking a lead on this.

They may know they need some good PR. There was criticism of some players not agreeing to a pay cut during the lockdown, when other less well paid staff were either furloughed or in some cases let go.

Do you have any sympathy for players who don't want "Black Lives Matter" on the back of their shirt, and who don't want to take a knee?

Do you think people should be forced to participate in political movements at work?

You mean like appearing for anthems and military displays and wearing military apparel?

I did not realise military apparel represented a political movement, but if I took a job where I knew I would be wearing military apparel, I don't think it'd be legit to complain about it afterwards.

But, is supporting a political movement something that soccer players signed on for? If your boss supported a particular political party, would you be happy to wear a uniform to work with a slogan that supported that political party, and would you be happy that he imposed that on his employees?

 

[Keith&Co.]

You mean like appearing for anthems and military displays and wearing military apparel?

odd how 'fight racism' is a political position, but singing the anthem is sports.

Heh. And a catered corporate party box above the stands is a business expense.

And a Blue Angel recruiting flyover, that's just promoting aerodynamic engineering degrees.

 

[laughing dog]

Were there any?

I don't know, but I suspect if there were they did not have meaningful way to opt out.

In other words, your question had no basis is reality.

I suspect you have no idea that in EPL, players are frequently expected to honor moments of silence for people or events, or wear special armbands or even special jerseys, so that this was nothing new for them.

 

[Metaphor]

In other words, your question had no basis is reality.

No, nothing like that. You see, laughing dog, I am actually aware that people have different political opinions to me.

But it's difficult to believe you're not aware of that. You simply wanted to produce another episode in your endless season of petty point-scoring.

I suspect you have no idea that in EPL, players are frequently expected to honor moments of silence for people or events, or wear special armbands or even special jerseys, so that this was nothing new for them.

So, do you support players being forced to participate in political symbolism?

 

[blastula]

You mean like appearing for anthems and military displays and wearing military apparel?

I did not realise military apparel represented a political movement, but if I took a job where I knew I would be wearing military apparel, I don't think it'd be legit to complain about it afterwards.

But, is supporting a political movement something that soccer players signed on for? If your boss supported a particular political party, would you be happy to wear a uniform to work with a slogan that supported that political party, and would you be happy that he imposed that on his employees?

Sports team employees go in knowing they have to wear a uniform, which can be altered at any time, including wearing symbols, like pink ribbons, for example, which could perhaps upset the rabidly anti-feminist, you know the type.

 

[Metaphor]

You mean like appearing for anthems and military displays and wearing military apparel?

I did not realise military apparel represented a political movement, but if I took a job where I knew I would be wearing military apparel, I don't think it'd be legit to complain about it afterwards.

But, is supporting a political movement something that soccer players signed on for? If your boss supported a particular political party, would you be happy to wear a uniform to work with a slogan that supported that political party, and would you be happy that he imposed that on his employees?

Sports team employees go in knowing they have to wear a uniform, which can be altered at any time, including wearing symbols, like pink ribbons, for example, which could perhaps upset the rabidly anti-feminist, you know the type.

I see, so pink ribbons are about political feminism and not about breast and gynecological cancers?

Tell me, are there any protections at all from their bosses political opinions that you would like to see for workers? Or is it "the boss said it, you wear it, end of story"?

 

[DrZoidberg]

The aspect of the BLM vs ALM discussion that I don't like is that there is sort of a cultish and totalitarism ring to it. In the minds of many, if you don't proclaim your allegiance to just BLM and denounce ALM, then you are racist, and your support is not wanted, even if you generally do support their goals and ideals. Reminds me of this old Seinfeld episode:

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I have a lot of respect for your position here. I do. But I think that to emphasize ALM over BLM today is to firstly demonstrate poor timing, inability to listen to current events, and possibly not understanding how Black Americans are uniquely discriminated against in our society.

I think it's a false dichotomy. These two things are separate.

1) Saying ALM in a BLM conversation is racist because of the context. It's like people who say "what about men who are victims of domestic abuse and sexual harrassement" in conversations about domestic abuse or MeToo. The statement is only formulated as for something. But because of it's timing it is a statement against something. Saying ALM in a BLM conversation is saying that black lives don't matter. I think it's just straight up racism. That's my view.

2) BLM isn't about black lives. Because there is no real debate. Every major corporation endorses BLM. That means it's a politically harmless position to take. That means that it is already the dominant opinion. The racist enemies of BLM mostly exist in the heads of it's supporters. Much like Trump's Muslim conspiracy theories. If blacks truly are an opressed minority in USA and BLM is as universally supported as it is, that means that BLM isn't about making black lives any better. or it would have happened already. I suspect BLM is by and for whites. It's just a virtue signalling tool. If a white person wears a BLM pin they can continue with being a racist nimby and swipe left on all the blacks on Tinder. While telling themselves they aren't racist.

When I think of BLM what comes to my mind is PC Principle in South Park. Who goes on and on about including minorities. But whenever any minority shows up at one of their parties, they are ignored by everyone and socially isolated. They certainly don't get laid.

I like to go to Burning Man type parties. Burning Man is a middle class event. It's designed to keep out poor and ugly people and minorities. It's an elite party for well educated, slim, fit and white people. But they go on and on about being inclusive. It's like a mantra. They are incredibly political correct and full of Social Justice Warriors. It's just talk. Because they do nothing to open up and include minorities. Their discussion forums on BLM is a total joke now. It's reached a point of pure parody.

People often say and do different things. At this point militantly defending BLM makes me nervous. Yes, it's Maoism at this point. I certainly don't trust that a person militantly supporting BLM isn't also a racist. I don't think they are related.

 

[ruby sparks]

Do you have any sympathy for players who don't want "Black Lives Matter" on the back of their shirt, and who don't want to take a knee?

Do you think people should be forced to participate in political movements at work?

No I don’t think people should be forced and yes I would have some sympathy for players who don’t want it on their shirts or don’t want to take a knee.

 

[laughing dog]

In other words, your question had no basis is reality.

No, nothing like that. You see, laughing dog, I am actually aware that people have different political opinions to me.

You unaware that any EPL footballer has a different political opinion about this than you.

But it's difficult to believe you're not aware of that. You simply wanted to produce another episode in your endless season of petty point-scoring.

That straw man broke the irony meter. Please stop projecting your MO onto others. I asked my question because I was under the misimpression that you actually knew some relevant fact.

So, do you support players being forced to participate in political symbolism?

In football, the players' uniforms for over a decade have supported all sorts of political symbolism. And players have been expected for decades to stand still and observe moments of silence for all sorts of occasions.

Unlike you, I understand that refusing to wear a uniform is a big deal, since it means the individual is not permitted to play by rule. Unlike you, I understand that players make political statements on the pitch and off the pitch.

Unlike you, I understand that it is a false dichotomy to feel one has to be either for or against something.