Herman Cain dies from COVID

[Loren Pechtel]

From Estimation of Excess Deaths Associated With the COVID-19 Pandemic in the United States, March to May 2020 published in the Journal of the American Medical Association:


COVID-19 deaths have been under-reported in the US.

ETA: The CDC has a running weekly analysis.

We’ve known for a long time the people involved with cause of death were playing fast and loose with the data. There excess deaths of course there are but to claim that a 90 year old with cancer was offed by Covid is risible.

Where is the excess mortality coming from then?? Almost 200,000 have died of something.

As for a 90 year old with cancer dying of Covid, no surprise. Cancer is usually a slow killer, Covid is a fast killer. An awful lot of people with cancer die of something unrelated to the cancer.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Covid kills people of every age,

No it doesn’t. It overwhelmingly kills the old and infirm. I think the average age for COVID deaths is 80+ and most of them have underlying health issues.

It's pretty hard to get to 80 without having some underlying health issues, thus you're not proving much.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

As you can see from this graph, the 85+ crowd were the first to die,

Yes, in care homes because fuckwits put the virus in there !

And I’m the callous one ?

Stay home and obsess about it. I don’t.

The nursing homes were already infected. Sending back residents who appear to be recovered probably didn't have much of any effect.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

By the way, neither you nor he actually want any evidence that in some areas there are overcounts. Your tribe doesn't allow for the possibility.

All those bodies died of something. Was it a lack of breathing freedumb air, untainted by any mask?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

FACT: There are 150,000 more deaths than normal in the US this year.
Whatever they are from, it is more than normal.

That's the Covid deaths, not the excess deaths. The excess is close to 200k.

 

[Elixir]

FACT: There are 150,000 more deaths than normal in the US this year.
Whatever they are from, it is more than normal.

That's the Covid deaths, not the excess deaths. The excess is close to 200k.

I'm weary of arguing with the Happy Talkers, but if the "excess" to date is really 200k, that's probably closer to the real number of COVID deaths than the reported number. And that would be consistent with the contention that unreported Covid deaths more than offset the cumulative factors that would lend to over-reporting.

The Happy Talkers are so far unable to account for those 200K. All they can do is repeat the same idiotic "would have died regardless" mantra, as if repetition lends it credence.

Who else can you think of who repeats and repeats the same falsehood until people weary of correcting it, and wishful thinkers accept it as fact?
Oh yeah - that's Trumpism in a nutshell.

 

[J842P]

We’ve known for a long time the people involved with cause of death were playing fast and loose with the data. There excess deaths of course there are but to claim that a 90 year old with cancer was offed by Covid is risible.

No, we don't. You've merely claimed this, with no evidence to back up your claim, or an attempt to quantify by how much the death rate is being overstated.

 

[ZiprHead]

We’ve known for a long time the people involved with cause of death were playing fast and loose with the data. There excess deaths of course there are but to claim that a 90 year old with cancer was offed by Covid is risible.

In the movie Red, Morgan Freeman plays an 84 yr old man with stage four liver cancer. A hitman attempts to kill him. I guess by your thinking, if the hitman was successful, no murder was committed. The idea is risible.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Some things we know:
1. auto related accidents are down (less people driving, fewer people on the roads when they do drive, etc.) This is probably the single biggest 'good' news from the lockdown situation.
2. Suicide deaths are up. This is tragic, but not entirely unexpected.
3. Deaths from untreated medical conditions. This one is hard to quantify, but it seems to be up slightly because people are afraid of going to hospitals.

So the naysayers are pretty hanging their whole hat on 3? I mean, 200,000 is a lot of people. I'd have to go look up the numbers, since I've forgotten, but isn't that like a 40% or more increase?

 

[Elixir]

We’ve known for a long time the people involved with cause of death were playing fast and loose with the data. There excess deaths of course there are but to claim that a 90 year old with cancer was offed by Covid is risible.

No, we don't. You've merely claimed this, with no evidence to back up your claim, or an attempt to quantify by how much the death rate is being overstated.

Right. Same way we "know" that mail-in voting is reft with fraud: repetition.

 

[Jarhyn]

We’ve known for a long time the people involved with cause of death were playing fast and loose with the data. There excess deaths of course there are but to claim that a 90 year old with cancer was offed by Covid is risible.

No, we don't. You've merely claimed this, with no evidence to back up your claim, or an attempt to quantify by how much the death rate is being overstated.

Right. Same way we "know" that mail-in voting is reft with fraud: repetition.

My thought is that when people lie and seek legitimacy through repetition, they ought have all platforms where they have repeated the already-rebutted lie revoked from them.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Right. Same way we "know" that mail-in voting is reft with fraud: repetition.

My thought is that when people lie and seek legitimacy through repetition, they ought have all platforms where they have repeated the already-rebutted lie revoked from them.

That's why we have ignore lists on forums.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I had CoVID-19 in the middle of February of this year. I caught it from my brother who lives in Seattle who came to Atlanta to help drive my wife and I to Daupin Island for a vacation.

This was when Trump was saying that it was a hoax by the Democrats to defeat him in November. That it was well under control in the US, it was just like the seasonal flu, and it would disappear with the hot weather. All of which was wrong and were lies based on what was known about the disease at the time.

Aha! The truth comes out! You're a hoax!

 

[Angra Mainyu]

I had CoVID-19 in the middle of February of this year. I caught it from my brother who lives in Seattle who came to Atlanta to help drive my wife and I to Daupin Island for a vacation.

This was when Trump was saying that it was a hoax by the Democrats to defeat him in November. That it was well under control in the US, it was just like the seasonal flu, and it would disappear with the hot weather. All of which was wrong and were lies based on what was known about the disease at the time.

I was seriously ill from the disease, this is not just a seasonal flu. It was mid-July before I felt fully recovered from the disease. I had extremely painful lungs lungs and poor kidney function, along with a hacking, persistent cough, which lasted for nearly 3 months. I have my own respirator, a cough assist machine, like a vacuum cleaner for your lungs, a full hospital bed that can be turned head-down to let gravity help me clear my lungs, and I employ two nurses normally to be with me eight hours a day, seven days a week who went to working twelve hour shifts to give me 24-hour, seven days a week coverage while I was sick.

I am almost seveny years old, overweight and I had ALS for more than thirteen years but I have good cardiovascular health and still have more working lung capacity than the average man, and this is what ALS takes away from people who have the disease.

Had I died I wouldn't have been counted as a COVID-19 death and I was only counted as having had the disease because I took the antibody test to see if I could donate antibodies in my plasma, I am AB+, the universal plasma donor blood type. I couldn't because I have ALS, and they don't know what causes it.

Sorry to hear that. But that is not the universal donor type. It's the opposite. The universal donor is 0-. AB+ is the universal recipient.

 

[Artemus]

Sorry to hear that. But that is not the universal donor type. It's the opposite. The universal donor is 0-. AB+ is the universal recipient.

According to the American Red Cross, AB is the universal plasma donor. O- is the universal red blood cell donor. I didn't know they were different, either.

 

[Elixir]

Right. Same way we "know" that mail-in voting is reft with fraud: repetition.

My thought is that when people lie and seek legitimacy through repetition, they ought have all platforms where they have repeated the already-rebutted lie revoked from them.

That's why we have ignore lists on forums.

If only the ignore function was sophisticated enough to have a "do not display quotes from poster (X)" option.
Alas, trolls quickly learn that if asserting some particular falsehood raises hackles, they get attention by continuing to repeat it.

 

[J842P]

Sorry to hear that. But that is not the universal donor type. It's the opposite. The universal donor is 0-. AB+ is the universal recipient.

According to the American Red Cross, AB is the universal plasma donor. O- is the universal red blood cell donor. I didn't know they were different, either.

Well, I learned something new today.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

Sorry to hear that. But that is not the universal donor type. It's the opposite. The universal donor is 0-. AB+ is the universal recipient.

According to the American Red Cross, AB is the universal plasma donor. O- is the universal red blood cell donor. I didn't know they were different, either.

I stand corrected. Thanks.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

We’ve known for a long time the people involved with cause of death were playing fast and loose with the data. There excess deaths of course there are but to claim that a 90 year old with cancer was offed by Covid is risible.

No, we don't. You've merely claimed this, with no evidence to back up your claim, or an attempt to quantify by how much the death rate is being overstated.

Right. Same way we "know" that mail-in voting is reft with fraud: repetition.

Well, there is this, which provides us a preview of coming events.

Do not forget, though you wish to, that these mail-in ballots aren't the same thing as absentee ballots.

 

[barbos]

Sorry to hear that. But that is not the universal donor type. It's the opposite. The universal donor is 0-. AB+ is the universal recipient.

According to the American Red Cross, AB is the universal plasma donor. O- is the universal red blood cell donor. I didn't know they were different, either.

Well, I learned something new today.

Blood cells and plasma are complimentary. If blood cells have something then plasma must not have something which attacks that something, otherwise you die.