Do schools kill creativity?

[AthenaAwakened]

Help, I'm being stifled over here.

It's really quite remarkable how little tolerance some people have for original and entertaining new ideas.

Are people intolerant or are they simply disagreeing with your assertions?

TEACHER TEACHER I KNOW!

 

[coloradoatheist]

So there's Joe Terdkicker proud owner of a tripped out F-450, lights, bumpers, sissy rails, pin stripping, power package, stablization package,leather, jack struts, the whole bit - obviously someone is advertising his tiny penis here - all pissed off because his sup. at the ditch digging sight where he works dressed him down because he decided to have a but while pipe was being laid where he was responsible for guiding it into the ditch. Yet, there he was with all this power, adrenalin, no testosterone, no mind, and pissed. I change lanes in front of him unaware he was a shit bag ready to go off. He did. He jerked his truck into an adjacent lane cutting some little lady off, accelerated and wedged his big ass truck in front of me.

What to do, what to do? I could run in to him which is what I think he was hoping for or I could jump into that place he left, get in front of him and back int to my lane leaving him with the decision on whether to ruin his truck and get even with me or not. No penis, no glory. He backed off.


Its all about creativity and insight.

Again: Sometimes creativity is good. Sometimes it's not.

You don't disprove this by citing a time when you think it's good.

I wonder how many people thought Enron's creative accounting was good or does the IRS like tax returns with creativity.

But I do think schools hurt it, but it's also from finding a way to teach 20 or more kids a subject. Homeschoolers have been complaining about this for a while.

 

[dismal]

Help, I'm being stifled over here.

It's really quite remarkable how little tolerance some people have for original and entertaining new ideas.

Are people intolerant or are they simply disagreeing with your assertions?

Either way, they're stifling my creativity.

And by their own standards that's always bad.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Are people intolerant or are they simply disagreeing with your assertions?

Either way, they're stifling my creativity.

And by their own standards that's always bad.

Not really. For one thing, this is just an internet forum. Do you really think an internet forum has that much of an affect on you? Aren't you in control of yourself?

 

[dismal]

Either way, they're stifling my creativity.

And by their own standards that's always bad.

Not really. For one thing, this is just an internet forum. Do you really think an internet forum has that much of an affect on you? Aren't you in control of yourself?

I'll be OK. Since my position is that some ideas are bad and some people's thoughts are useless I'm allowed to be dismissive of some people's thoughts and ideas.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Not really. For one thing, this is just an internet forum. Do you really think an internet forum has that much of an affect on you? Aren't you in control of yourself?

I'll be OK. Since my position is that some ideas are bad and some people's thoughts are useless I'm allowed to be dismissive of some people's thoughts and ideas.

People argue against things they disagree with. Is this an alien concept to you?

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Getting back to the OP

Provided certain people have had enough attention paid to them. We can pay more necessary.

 

[fromderinside]

Again: Sometimes creativity is good. Sometimes it's not.

You don't disprove this by citing a time when you think it's good.

So you think I cited something good in the way I did because sometimes it goes the other way for me?

Are you kidding?

What would you think if I documented ten out of eleven times that things that it was good for me in a row in after work drives from long beach to woodland hills past LAX?

I thought so.

 

[dismal]

Again: Sometimes creativity is good. Sometimes it's not.

You don't disprove this by citing a time when you think it's good.

So you think I cited something good in the way I did because sometimes it goes the other way for me?

Are you kidding?

What would you think if I documented ten out of eleven times that things that it was good for me in a row in after work drives from long beach to woodland hills past LAX?

I thought so.

Someone's lack of creativity driving saves your life thousands of times a day. When they non creatively drive on the non-creative side of the road. When they non creatively stop at a red light while you are going through an intersection. When they do not creatively ram your back rear panel at 80 MPH to creatively facilitate their own progress. When they non-creatively launch an RPG round at you to clear the traffic in front of them.

I can imagine dozens more if you like.

But I'm sure you already agree this sort of creativity would not be a plus for you.

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I'll be OK. Since my position is that some ideas are bad and some people's thoughts are useless I'm allowed to be dismissive of some people's thoughts and ideas.

People argue against things they disagree with. Is this an alien concept to you?

Why would you disagree with someone if all ideas are good?

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Why would you disagree with someone if all ideas are good?

Has anyone argued that?

 

[fromderinside]

Someone's lack of creativity driving saves your life thousands of times a day. When they non creatively drive on the non-creative side of the road. When they non creatively stop at a red light while you are going through an intersection. When they do not creatively ram your back rear panel at 80 MPH to creatively facilitate their own progress. When they non-creatively launch an RPG round at you to clear the traffic in front of them.

I can imagine dozens more if you like.

But I'm sure you already agree this sort of creativity would not be a plus for you.

Lack of creativity would be reflected failure to execute an in-real-time decision. Not having ever have driven a push button start car and searching for a button when no key slot is available is creative. Staying in lane, driving to the right, are all normal trained to behaviors. I'd chose to drive in the wrong lane or on the middle line if two cars were coming at me one passing the other. That would be creative. Doing what one is trained to do reflects the ability to take on new information, being creative. lack of creativity would probably result in one not understanding the reasons for rules of the road, permitting one to do what others are doing without surveying the road ahead, picking out possible danger and being able to take emergency preventing acts to take prior to the emergency every arising.

No I don't think peole should follow the rules of the road because every body else may be doing so. In every group of six there is a nut about to get silly do something stupid, not creative, endangering others.

We need to get our arms around what is intelligent and what is dull following. Following others on the highway has nothing to do with intelligence or creativity. I also agree with Bronzage the being reckless is not exhibiting creativity.

 

[Bronzeage]

You are free to create uses of the word creativity, which reinforce your point. This does not make your point any more valid. We might as well declare chopping down a tree to be a creative act because it creates a stump.

I don't think there has been much dispute about the definition of creativity. See earlier posts.

Would you like to define it differently than what has been suggested by myself or others?

I agree with you that it would probably be best if we had some standard definition of the term instead of people getting creative about it.

Your use of the word creativity to describe "reckless driving" is based on a false syllogism. When you keep coming back to it, your argument erodes.

 

[dismal]

I don't think there has been much dispute about the definition of creativity. See earlier posts.

Would you like to define it differently than what has been suggested by myself or others?

I agree with you that it would probably be best if we had some standard definition of the term instead of people getting creative about it.

Your use of the word creativity to describe "reckless driving" is based on a false syllogism. When you keep coming back to it, your argument erodes.

I use it to describe new and original forms of driving. Outside of the accepted norm.

This is entirely consistent with the definition of creativity that has been introduced in the thread.

And, even if it weren't you creativity lovers would be forced to applaud me for coming up with a new and original definition for it.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

I use it to describe new and original forms of driving. Outside of the accepted norm.

The problem with your argument is no reasonable person would condone reckless driving, so it's a pointless argument.

 

[ksen]

Not if your point is to just derail the shit out of another thread.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Not if your point is to just derail the shit out of another thread.

"Derail"? Come on, he's just being creative!

 

[Bronzeage]

Your use of the word creativity to describe "reckless driving" is based on a false syllogism. When you keep coming back to it, your argument erodes.

I use it to describe new and original forms of driving. Outside of the accepted norm.

This is entirely consistent with the definition of creativity that has been introduced in the thread.

And, even if it weren't you creativity lovers would be forced to applaud me for coming up with a new and original definition for it.

You can't force me to do anything. You voice an opinion on creativity, to which most people object, and then you present ridiculous examples of things you label as creative and demand people acknowledge them.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."

Even Alice wasn't fooled by that one.

 

[untermensche]

I use it to describe new and original forms of driving. Outside of the accepted norm.

This is entirely consistent with the definition of creativity that has been introduced in the thread.

And, even if it weren't you creativity lovers would be forced to applaud me for coming up with a new and original definition for it.

What do you mean by original form?

I assume they sat behind a wheel they turned with their arms and had pedals they worked with a foot or with both feet.

Maybe they had a clutch and shifted with one arm also.

What was original about the way they drove?

Steering badly isn't an original form of driving. It's the same old driving, just doing it badly.

Is falling an original form of walking?

 

[bleubird]

Maybe we should ask our cities to be more creative about how we move people.Better mass transit? What If BUTTFUCK,TX had light rail?

 

[Togo]

I use it to describe new and original forms of driving. Outside of the accepted norm.

This is entirely consistent with the definition of creativity that has been introduced in the thread.

And, even if it weren't you creativity lovers would be forced to applaud me for coming up with a new and original definition for it.

You can't force me to do anything. You voice an opinion on creativity, to which most people object, and then you present ridiculous examples of things you label as creative and demand people acknowledge them.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."

Even Alice wasn't fooled by that one.

He's using the same argument against creativity that always gets trotted out - we can't afford to combine familiar elements in new ways because we need some of the elements to succeed, and combining in new ways might involve leaving some out. It's just resting on a flawed definition.

It's remarkably similar to the usual argument against liberty: that freedom = chaos , and you can't run a state on chaos, so freedom must be bad.