Oh, shit--Nevada's Covid cases are sure to go up even more now

[Loren Pechtel]

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https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/...liability-protection-bill-watch-live-2092601/

Liability protection for companies if they follow protocol. Good luck proving they didn't! And the protocol doesn't mean that much in the casinos anyway because of drinking and smoking.

 

[Harry Bosch]

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https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/...liability-protection-bill-watch-live-2092601/

Liability protection for companies if they follow protocol. Good luck proving they didn't! And the protocol doesn't mean that much in the casinos anyway because of drinking and smoking.

I have mixed feelings here. The country can't survive without jobs. And I fear that trail lawyers will just crush companies if something isn't done to protect the ones that follow the rules.

 

[Worldtraveller]

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https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/...liability-protection-bill-watch-live-2092601/

Liability protection for companies if they follow protocol. Good luck proving they didn't! And the protocol doesn't mean that much in the casinos anyway because of drinking and smoking.

I have mixed feelings here. The country can't survive without jobs. And I fear that trail lawyers will just crush companies if something isn't done to protect the ones that follow the rules.

Are the mixed feelings because you might be affected?

"The country can't survive without jobs".... Think about this for a moment. Do jobs just exist? Do jobs take care of families? No. People do. People are needed to do most jobs, and those jobs won't get done if all the people are dying. So the priority should be to make sure people are safe. I do suspect some business, maybe even some major segments of business, won't really survive the pandemic. But that's better than all the people dying AND losing that business anyway, which is what would happen.

 

[Harry Bosch]

(Meterwall warning)

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/...liability-protection-bill-watch-live-2092601/

Liability protection for companies if they follow protocol. Good luck proving they didn't! And the protocol doesn't mean that much in the casinos anyway because of drinking and smoking.

I have mixed feelings here. The country can't survive without jobs. And I fear that trail lawyers will just crush companies if something isn't done to protect the ones that follow the rules.

Are the mixed feelings because you might be affected?

"The country can't survive without jobs".... Think about this for a moment. Do jobs just exist? Do jobs take care of families? No. People do. People are needed to do most jobs, and those jobs won't get done if all the people are dying. So the priority should be to make sure people are safe. I do suspect some business, maybe even some major segments of business, won't really survive the pandemic. But that's better than all the people dying AND losing that business anyway, which is what would happen.

I think that if a company follows the federal and local rules, and does everything that it can to keep it's employees and customers safe, that is shouldn't be sued into oblivion.

 

[KeepTalking]

Are the mixed feelings because you might be affected?

"The country can't survive without jobs".... Think about this for a moment. Do jobs just exist? Do jobs take care of families? No. People do. People are needed to do most jobs, and those jobs won't get done if all the people are dying. So the priority should be to make sure people are safe. I do suspect some business, maybe even some major segments of business, won't really survive the pandemic. But that's better than all the people dying AND losing that business anyway, which is what would happen.

I think that if a company follows the federal and local rules, and does everything that it can to keep it's employees and customers safe, that is shouldn't be sued into oblivion.

Well, that's the thing, isn't it? The legislation the Republicans are pushing would just be about following the federal, state, and local rules, and not the part I bolded above, but in way too many places those rules are close to non-existent.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Are the mixed feelings because you might be affected?

"The country can't survive without jobs".... Think about this for a moment. Do jobs just exist? Do jobs take care of families? No. People do. People are needed to do most jobs, and those jobs won't get done if all the people are dying. So the priority should be to make sure people are safe. I do suspect some business, maybe even some major segments of business, won't really survive the pandemic. But that's better than all the people dying AND losing that business anyway, which is what would happen.

I think that if a company follows the federal and local rules, and does everything that it can to keep it's employees and customers safe, that is shouldn't be sued into oblivion.

Everything? Good luck defining that in court. This is where having a competent Federal Government to oversee and provide viable guidelines. The failure here is causing a gray area of liability and danger so unprecedented in our history, which really is a crime in the information age.

The GOP just wants to let people make money and free them of responsibility, ignoring the whole if someone gets Covid-19 at work, they'll be spreading it.

 

[Bronzeage]

(Meterwall warning)

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/...liability-protection-bill-watch-live-2092601/

Liability protection for companies if they follow protocol. Good luck proving they didn't! And the protocol doesn't mean that much in the casinos anyway because of drinking and smoking.

I have mixed feelings here. The country can't survive without jobs. And I fear that trail lawyers will just crush companies if something isn't done to protect the ones that follow the rules.

The threat of trial lawyers is greatly exaggerated. Corporate America has always resisted taking responsibility for worker safety and this is no different than sending a work crew up on a steep roof without harnesses and secure ropes. If a company can't provide a safe work place and enforce safe work procedures, they should keep their doors shut and hand the job over to someone who can.

What they are doing is asking the government to shield them from the results of the actions they take to preserve profits, while telling their employees to make a choice between poverty or disease.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

What they are doing is asking the government to shield them from the results of the actions they take to preserve profits, while telling their employees to make a choice between poverty or disease.

Could not have said it better. Nothing new actually.

 

[ZiprHead]

You want stupid?

Florida Sheriff Orders Deputies And Staff Not To Wear Face Masks

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Are the mixed feelings because you might be affected?

"The country can't survive without jobs".... Think about this for a moment. Do jobs just exist? Do jobs take care of families? No. People do. People are needed to do most jobs, and those jobs won't get done if all the people are dying. So the priority should be to make sure people are safe. I do suspect some business, maybe even some major segments of business, won't really survive the pandemic. But that's better than all the people dying AND losing that business anyway, which is what would happen.

I think that if a company follows the federal and local rules, and does everything that it can to keep it's employees and customers safe, that is shouldn't be sued into oblivion.

1) This encourages companies to do what they can to get the rules watered down.

2) There's also the issue of proving they weren't following the rules.

 

[Elixir]

I have mixed feelings here. The country can't survive without jobs.

My feelings are not mixed. The country could have easily survived without jobs for the duration necessary to put down this virus and keep it at background levels.
IF a National response had been initiated in January following the pandemic response manual given to Trump by the Obama Administration.
But that is no longer an option, now that the Trump Virus has been spread far and wide and the money has already been doled out: another charge to every man woman and child in America, handed over to Trump's enablers.
And you get a check for $1200 (plus a $600/wk supplement for a few months if you lost your job). But no Federal services or goods. Just misinformation, science denial and Secret Police thugs invading cities, inciting violence and gassing protesters.
This is an epic willful failure of government for personal profit, and a crime against humanity for which the death penalty would not be too harsh.

 

[Treedbear]

Are the mixed feelings because you might be affected?

"The country can't survive without jobs".... Think about this for a moment. Do jobs just exist? Do jobs take care of families? No. People do. People are needed to do most jobs, and those jobs won't get done if all the people are dying. So the priority should be to make sure people are safe. I do suspect some business, maybe even some major segments of business, won't really survive the pandemic. But that's better than all the people dying AND losing that business anyway, which is what would happen.

I think that if a company follows the federal and local rules, and does everything that it can to keep it's employees and customers safe, that is shouldn't be sued into oblivion.

1) This encourages companies to do what they can to get the rules watered down.

2) There's also the issue of proving they weren't following the rules.

Here's the rub. If it was just a matter of proving that companies weren't following the rules then it would be easy to at least hold them accountable in cases where there were mass outbreaks of employees working at one plant. Absolving companies from any legal responsibility for their employees invites them to happily ignore that responsibility. A responsibility that most companies honor without question because our system of government levels the playing field so that our capitalist economy is free to prosper. But for the fact that many times these companies, especially the ones specifically favored by the Trump administration for clemency, such as meat processing plants, at which the workers are exploited for their low wages due to living under compromised legal circumstances.

And so one can blame the workers for choosing to live in miserable, crowded conditions where social distancing and PPE are alien concepts. That's just the way it is. No one's to blame and everyone's to blame, including the consumers of the meat products. We're all implicated. Which is just the way Trump likes to play it. Only there actually is logically one party that has the power to rectify the situation, and that's the meat processing companies. Either pay the workers a living wage so that they can afford to live in civilized communities, or spring for the facilities improvements needed to contain the virus where it occurs.

So there are three solutions: The employees can simply not show up to work and try to either collect unemployment insurance or find there ways back to what ever "shithole" country they came from. Second, the company can step in and do what's best for everyone by paying them a decent wage or providing said protections. Third, the US government can grant them the protections of citizenship and they can work things out for themselves through the normal channels properly provided within a civilized society. But instead Trump chose his favored business method, which is to create a situation in which everyone finds themselves morally compromised by self interest and at loggerheads and ultimately in bankruptcy. Trump, and it seems increasingly the majority of the Republican party, doesn't understand the futility of this, or else they are preparing for some mythical end times. Because the way things are going that's where this nation will end up. No truth, no honor, no morality, and more Gods than you can shake a stick at.

 

[Testy Calibrate]

You want stupid?

Florida Sheriff Orders Deputies And Staff Not To Wear Face Masks

Honestly, no. I don't. But stupid is what we have so it makes sense to make the best of it.

 

[Bomb#20]

You want stupid?

Florida Sheriff Orders Deputies And Staff Not To Wear Face Masks

Florida Man Elected Sheriff!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

1) This encourages companies to do what they can to get the rules watered down.

2) There's also the issue of proving they weren't following the rules.

Here's the rub. If it was just a matter of proving that companies weren't following the rules then it would be easy to at least hold them accountable in cases where there were mass outbreaks of employees working at one plant. Absolving companies from any legal responsibility for their employees invites them to happily ignore that responsibility. A responsibility that most companies honor without question because our system of government levels the playing field so that our capitalist economy is free to prosper. But for the fact that many times these companies, especially the ones specifically favored by the Trump administration for clemency, such as meat processing plants, at which the workers are exploited for their low wages due to living under compromised legal circumstances.

Lower wage workers the companies don't care.

And so one can blame the workers for choosing to live in miserable, crowded conditions where social distancing and PPE are alien concepts. That's just the way it is. No one's to blame and everyone's to blame, including the consumers of the meat products. We're all implicated. Which is just the way Trump likes to play it. Only there actually is logically one party that has the power to rectify the situation, and that's the meat processing companies. Either pay the workers a living wage so that they can afford to live in civilized communities, or spring for the facilities improvements needed to contain the virus where it occurs.

The companies could do a lot more than they are doing and the only way that's going to happen is if they're liable.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And my worries seem to be justified:

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https://www.reviewjournal.com/busin...coronavirus-health-safety-violations-2095573/

The regulators found they weren't doing a good job.