At what margin of electoral defeat will Trump be forced to admit defeat?

[Elixir]

How many electoral votes would Biden/Harris need for Trump to admit defeat?
Don't know how to make a poll here but if I did, the choices would be something like

a) 500+
b) 400-499
c) 300-400
d) 270-300
e) 538 wouldn't be enough

In fact I think that depending on how many States Trump loses by single digit percentages and will claim were stolen by Hillary Sleepy Joe, he could contest almost any electoral loss no matter how big. And I expect he will.
Haven't heard much about it from the local 'Trump is an honorable man who will conceded if he loses' libberpublicans lately. So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

 

[Testy Calibrate]

we would certainly find out how resilient our institutions are

 

[Keith&Co.]

Why would he accept a loss, however outrageously obvious?

He loses nothing by rejecting the election results, and any possibility of gain is better than watching the entire internet turn into a 'YOU'RE FIRED!' meme assembly line.

 

[Harry Bosch]

How many electoral votes would Biden/Harris need for Trump to admit defeat?
Don't know how to make a poll here but if I did, the choices would be something like

a) 500+
b) 400-499
c) 300-400
d) 270-300
e) 538 wouldn't be enough

In fact I think that depending on how many States Trump loses by single digit percentages and will claim were stolen by Hillary Sleepy Joe, he could contest almost any electoral loss no matter how big. And I expect he will.
Haven't heard much about it from the local 'Trump is an honorable man who will conceded if he loses' libberpublicans lately. So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm not convinced at all that Biden will get more electoral votes anyway. I think that it's going to be a repeat of 2016. Sadly.

 

[Elixir]

Why would he accept a loss, however outrageously obvious?

He loses nothing by rejecting the election results, and any possibility of gain is better than watching the entire internet turn into a 'YOU'RE FIRED!' meme assembly line.

I totally agree. Trump will die believing he won the 2020 election in a landslide, even if a few ragtag gangs of AR-wielding Nazi thugs terrorizing the city streets are his only evidence. And he will believe it whether he dies tomorrow or in thirty years.

Of course the Reality TV aspect of the whole thing will be ratings through the roof, a fabulous success by any Trump measure. Even pouring gasoline on the "you're fired" meme fire only contributes to ratings success. It will be incredible, amazing. You can't fire a success that big. In Trumpworld, nothing can go wrong. Ever.

 

[Elixir]

How many electoral votes would Biden/Harris need for Trump to admit defeat?
Don't know how to make a poll here but if I did, the choices would be something like

a) 500+
b) 400-499
c) 300-400
d) 270-300
e) 538 wouldn't be enough

In fact I think that depending on how many States Trump loses by single digit percentages and will claim were stolen by Hillary Sleepy Joe, he could contest almost any electoral loss no matter how big. And I expect he will.
Haven't heard much about it from the local 'Trump is an honorable man who will conceded if he loses' libberpublicans lately. So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm not convinced at all that Biden will get more electoral votes anyway. I think that it's going to be a repeat of 2016. Sadly.

Might well be. But that doesn't address the question at all. You seem to imply that a single digit electoral victory by Biden would be sufficient for an actual win.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

He's incapable of conceding.

 

[Ford]

So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

It's about the same chance as Trump winning a round of golf against Tiger Woods.

He's been building this up for a long time with his claims of "voter fraud" and tirades against mail-in voting. Trump has all but come out and said he won't accept the results of the election if it doesn't go in his favor. His supporters are behind him 100 percent. If Biden wins the popular vote, Trump will declare it a fraud. Of that I'm certain. What remains to be seen is how far he takes it from there. He's already said he wants a do-over if it goes against him, and he will certainly contest the results in court. Then he'll try to stop the results from being certified. Then he'll try to stop the electors from convening and doing their job.

Beyond that it's all about whether he hands over the keys to the White House peaceably or has to be escorted out by the Secret Service. I'd bet on the latter.

 

[laughing dog]

He's incapable of conceding.

Yup

 

[Metaphor]

So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm sorry, but is this a joke?

Let's say Trump loses the election. What is it, exactly, that you imagine he will do? Carry on and bluster that he was robbed? Sure. Do you think he will be let into the White House after Biden is sworn in? No, he won't.

Do you think Trump is going to raise a private army? This kind of delusionista fearmongering makes me sad about the absolute lack of faith some Americans seem to have in their own institutions.

 

[Patooka]

So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm sorry, but is this a joke?

Let's say Trump loses the election. What is it, exactly, that you imagine he will do? Carry on and bluster that he was robbed? Sure. Do you think he will be let into the White House after Biden is sworn in? No, he won't.

Do you think Trump is going to raise a private army? This kind of delusionista fearmongering makes me sad about the absolute lack of faith some Americans seem to have in their own institutions.

You are very ignorant of the amount of "private militia" that support Trump. He can place a very large thumb on the scales, so to speak. Also, for some reason, militaries are big on the "respect the chain of command" mentality. Trump doesn't need supporters - he's got them. What he needs is enough prominent legislators/military commanders/public figures to sit on the fence and the incumbent gets the benefit of the doubt by default.

 

[Metaphor]

You are very ignorant of the amount of "private militia" that support Trump.

Seemingly. Can this private militia storm the White House and take out the secret service?

He can place a very large thumb on the scales, so to speak. Also, for some reason, militaries are big on the "respect the chain of command" mentality.

So...are you saying that the military generals will support Trump as commander-in-chief if Biden is elected and sworn in?

Trump doesn't need supporters - he's got them. What he needs is enough prominent legislators/military commanders/public figures to sit on the fence and the incumbent gets the benefit of the doubt by default.

What default? What would constitute "sitting on the fence"?

I need you to spell it out to me. I think the idea that the transfer of power will be "non-peaceful" is idiotically absurd. The United States is not a third-world kleptocracy.

Fill in the blanks for me.

i) Biden wins the electoral college vote in November
ii) Biden is sworn into office in January
iii) ?
iv) Trump is violently defeated and removed from office

 

[angelo]

How many electoral votes would Biden/Harris need for Trump to admit defeat?
Don't know how to make a poll here but if I did, the choices would be something like

a) 500+
b) 400-499
c) 300-400
d) 270-300
e) 538 wouldn't be enough

In fact I think that depending on how many States Trump loses by single digit percentages and will claim were stolen by Hillary Sleepy Joe, he could contest almost any electoral loss no matter how big. And I expect he will.
Haven't heard much about it from the local 'Trump is an honorable man who will conceded if he loses' libberpublicans lately. So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm not convinced at all that Biden will get more electoral votes anyway. I think that it's going to be a repeat of 2016. Sadly.

Might well be. But that doesn't address the question at all. You seem to imply that a single digit electoral victory by Biden would be sufficient for an actual win.

Even a single digit win is still a win. Sure, the losers will contest it with re-counts, in courts etc. But it will not change the outcome. That's called democracy. But a single digit win is extremely unlikely.

 

[J842P]

How many electoral votes would Biden/Harris need for Trump to admit defeat?
Don't know how to make a poll here but if I did, the choices would be something like

a) 500+
b) 400-499
c) 300-400
d) 270-300
e) 538 wouldn't be enough

In fact I think that depending on how many States Trump loses by single digit percentages and will claim were stolen by Hillary Sleepy Joe, he could contest almost any electoral loss no matter how big. And I expect he will.
Haven't heard much about it from the local 'Trump is an honorable man who will conceded if he loses' libberpublicans lately. So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm not convinced at all that Biden will get more electoral votes anyway. I think that it's going to be a repeat of 2016. Sadly.

It sure looks that way, from the current polling. Although, you have to keep in mind, 2016 basically came down to something like 80,000 votes spread across Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Those are pretty thin margins, and I just think Biden is much better liked in those States than Clinton ever was, and with the state of the economy, I think similar national polling bodes well for Biden. But it's crazy that it's going to be this close.

 

[J842P]

So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm sorry, but is this a joke?

Let's say Trump loses the election. What is it, exactly, that you imagine he will do? Carry on and bluster that he was robbed? Sure. Do you think he will be let into the White House after Biden is sworn in? No, he won't.

Do you think Trump is going to raise a private army? This kind of delusionista fearmongering makes me sad about the absolute lack of faith some Americans seem to have in their own institutions.

You are very ignorant of the amount of "private militia" that support Trump. He can place a very large thumb on the scales, so to speak. Also, for some reason, militaries are big on the "respect the chain of command" mentality. Trump doesn't need supporters - he's got them. What he needs is enough prominent legislators/military commanders/public figures to sit on the fence and the incumbent gets the benefit of the doubt by default.

In this scenario, it absolutely would come down to the military. I think fortunately Trump is not very popular with the military brass.

 

[Elixir]

Metaphor weasels out of the OP question entirely.

Of course once Biden is sworn in, he is sworn in. The whole point is that regardless of the electoral results, Trump will pull out every stop there is to keep any such swearing in from happening.

* The Secret Service works for Trump until and unless someone else is sworn in, so they will be of zero help.
* Trump is the Commander in Cheat of the Military, so they can't be relied on for anything.
* There are an unknown number of trumpanzee morons who are eager to show off the armaments they have acquired under the fraudulent pretext of PREVENTING a tyrannical government.

My question was whether any electoral result at all would ever bring about a peaceful transfer of power.
So far, nobody has been able to present any credible pathway to that result, other than pre-supposing the result.

Metaphor's "answer" is, as usual, non-responsive:
"You're paranoid!; After a peaceful transfer of power Trump wouldn't be able to do anything about it!"

Pretty much the same stupid avoidance exhibited by the rest of our libberpublicans.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

A massive landslide is only possible by cheating.
A close victory is only possible by cheating.

He lost by 2 million or so popular votes and he has already said that was cheating!

 

[laughing dog]

There will be a nonviolent turnover of power when Trump loses. The margin of defeat won't matter. At his very heart, Trump is a bully and a coward: he is all bluster and no action.

Supporting the losing candidate is a treason - the military won't back Trump. Come January 21, if Trump lost, he is no longer President (according to the Constitution) and the Secret Service will not answer to him at all (and I doubt they would support him in a his attempt to illegally hold the Presidency).

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

There will be a nonviolent turnover of power when Trump loses. The margin of defeat won't matter. At his very heart, Trump is a bully and a coward: he is all bluster and no action.

Supporting the losing candidate is a treason - the military won't back Trump. Come January 21, if Trump lost, he is no longer President (according to the Constitution) and the Secret Service will not answer to him at all (and I doubt they would support him in a his attempt to illegally hold the Presidency).

The electoral college chooses the President, and the Electoral College can be screwed with either to change the outright result or create a contested election which then heads to Congress. Doesn't have to win to win.

 

[Elixir]

There will be a nonviolent turnover of power when Trump loses. The margin of defeat won't matter. At his very heart, Trump is a bully and a coward: he is all bluster and no action.

I disagree. A cowardly bully is what he has always been, and the main thing perpetuating that is that he has never been told no about anything, has never had to do one single thing anyone ever told him to do or refrain from doing anything that anyone told him not to do. But most important - HE HAS NEVER BEEN UNDER THREAT FOR HIS LIFE.
It would be a grave mistake to assume that he can't be moved beyond bluster to drastic action by the fact that once he leaves the protection of executive office, he is dead meat.

Supporting the losing candidate is a treason - the military won't back Trump.

What's one more treason at this point?

Come January 21, if Trump lost, he is no longer President (according to the Constitution).

Come January 20, Biden will be sworn in if SCOTUS has deemed it appropriate.
At that point Trump won't be holed up in what he calls "a dump" (The Whitehouse), he'll be under some fancy minaret somewhere in the middle East - at least that's my guess.
And there will be much damage and possibly mayhem left in his wake.