Why Did Muhammad Use A Jewish God?

[Atheos]

Then why wasn't the first revealed religion Muslim?

all religions came from same god

I suppose in a sense you are correct. No god actually exists, which means that when you're talking about god or gods you're talking about the products of human imagination. So in a very real sense all religions ultimately come from human imagination. This is of course consistent with all the evidence including the fact that so many disagreements exist in various religious traditions.

 

[Syed]

all religions came from same god

I suppose in a sense you are correct. No god actually exists, which means that when you're talking about god or gods you're talking about the products of human imagination. So in a very real sense all religions ultimately come from human imagination. This is of course consistent with all the evidence including the fact that so many disagreements exist in various religious traditions.

if god does not exist then who created living creature?

 

[Syed]

all religions came from same god

Which is why so many of them kill each other in His name...

human kill even atheists kill

you are not free from killing

 

[Keith&Co.]

Which is why so many of them kill each other in His name...

human kill even atheists kill

you are not free from killing

I never claimed to be free of killing.
But if everyone worships the same god, why are they willing to kill over the differences?
Why doesn't He stop people from killing in His name?

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I suppose in a sense you are correct. No god actually exists, which means that when you're talking about god or gods you're talking about the products of human imagination. So in a very real sense all religions ultimately come from human imagination. This is of course consistent with all the evidence including the fact that so many disagreements exist in various religious traditions.

if god does not exist then who created living creature?

Backwards, Syed. Living creatures created the gods.

 

[Underseer]

Why did Muhammad (or whoever developed Islam) use Yahweh for a new religion? I don't know anything about which gods "existed" during the times & region of Muhammad's day but I understand polytheism was the norm. Why not pick one of those gods?

Polytheism was the norm back when Jews were polytheists.

It was probably still the norm when people started making up stories about Jesus.

But was it still the norm in Mohammed's time? I dunno.

 

[DBT]

I suppose in a sense you are correct. No god actually exists, which means that when you're talking about god or gods you're talking about the products of human imagination. So in a very real sense all religions ultimately come from human imagination. This is of course consistent with all the evidence including the fact that so many disagreements exist in various religious traditions.

if god does not exist then who created living creature?

Who Created the Creator?

 

[Syed]

if god does not exist then who created living creature?

Who Created the Creator?

evolution?

lol

there are four thing in the universe are uncreated

god

space

elements

nature ie chemical reaction

 

[Perspicuo]

Who Created the Creator?

evolution?

lol

there are four thing in the universe are uncreated

god

space

elements

nature ie chemical reaction

"Why? Because I say so. No evidence, I just want you to believe it because I say so."



Syed, you're unbelievable. No, really!

 

[Sarpedon]

there are four thing in the universe are uncreated

god

space

elements

nature ie chemical reaction

Now that is shocking. Most religious people will say that God created space, elements, and 'nature' by which I think you mean the laws of physics.

I am curious to hear more about this uncreated nature that you think exists independently from god...Where does 'nature' stop and the acts of god begin? Since you don't mention time, do you believe that to be uncreated as well?

 

[Bronzeage]

Who Created the Creator?

evolution?

lol

there are four thing in the universe are uncreated

god

space

elements

nature ie chemical reaction

Syed, even within the logic of your belief system, this is silly.

 

[Keith&Co.]

I am curious to hear more about this uncreated nature that you think exists independently from god...Where does 'nature' stop and the acts of god begin?

IIRC, Syed started talking about Nature being independent of God in order to insulate the creator from being an obvious dick. some questions Syed couldn't answer, suddenly none of it's God's fault because God only got stuck with the universe, he's not the one that created it.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, that's the kind of thing that can happen when you buy a universe off of Craigslist instead of using a reputable dealer. Sure, you save a few dollars but you're out of luck if you discover later that half the thing is just ducktaped together and it doesn't really work.

 

[Syed]

evolution?

lol

there are four thing in the universe are uncreated

god

space

elements

nature ie chemical reaction

"Why? Because I say so. No evidence, I just want you to believe it because I say so."



Syed, you're unbelievable. No, really!

if you use your brain then you will see wisdom in what i am saying

 

[Syed]

there are four thing in the universe are uncreated

god

space

elements

nature ie chemical reaction

Now that is shocking. Most religious people will say that God created space, elements, and 'nature' by which I think you mean the laws of physics.

I am curious to hear more about this uncreated nature that you think exists independently from god...Where does 'nature' stop and the acts of god begin? Since you don't mention time, do you believe that to be uncreated as well?

nature is uncreated nothing can stop nature but can be manipulate, god manipulate nature to create anything he want

time is human concept, time doesn't exist in nature

 

[Keith&Co.]

"Why? Because I say so. No evidence, I just want you to believe it because I say so."



Syed, you're unbelievable. No, really!

if you use your brain then you will see wisdom in what i am saying

We've been braining your posts for ten years, Syed.
And no. The only way to find wisdom in your bald assertions is to already believe what you post when you post it.
'it make sense to me' is not a supporting argument.
It's not wisdom.
It's not evidence.

 

[Herrick]

Why did Muhammad (or whoever developed Islam) use Yahweh for a new religion? I don't know anything about which gods "existed" during the times & region of Muhammad's day but I understand polytheism was the norm. Why not pick one of those gods?

Polytheism was the norm back when Jews were polytheists.

It was probably still the norm when people started making up stories about Jesus.

But was it still the norm in Mohammed's time? I dunno.

Yeah, I could be wrong about that. I've read very little about the beginnings of Islam. The very few things I've read about it (Internet forum posts and probably Wikipedia) state that the people in Muhammad's time & region were mostly polytheists. I do plan on reading more about it one of these days.

 

[DBT]

Who Created the Creator?

evolution?

lol

there are four thing in the universe are uncreated

god

space

elements

nature ie chemical reaction

Can you explain to me how you know this? If living things must be created, and God is a living thing...why does the rule not apply to all living things?

 

[Syed]

evolution?

lol

there are four thing in the universe are uncreated

god

space

elements

nature ie chemical reaction

Can you explain to me how you know this? If living things must be created, and God is a living thing...why does the rule not apply to all living things?

you believe living thing dont need a creator so why you believe god need a creator?

there are thing in the universe are uncreated and god is one of them

all i said is MY imagination

 

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

Polytheism was the norm back when Jews were polytheists.

It was probably still the norm when people started making up stories about Jesus.

But was it still the norm in Mohammed's time? I dunno.

Yeah, I could be wrong about that. I've read very little about the beginnings of Islam. The very few things I've read about it (Internet forum posts and probably Wikipedia) state that the people in Muhammad's time & region were mostly polytheists. I do plan on reading more about it one of these days.

7th Century Arabia held a hodge-podge of various religions. There were the Bedouin with their (supposed) 365 gods, various Xian sects (Nestorians, Marionites, many more) and there were Jewish tribes, in exile since the uprising and destruction of the Temple in the 1st Century CE. Mecca was a polytheist sanctuary, where Bedouin tribes would keep idols which they came to worship on holy days. The polytheists were the majority, so I suppose you could say that was the "norm" in that time and place.

 

[Atheos]

Can you explain to me how you know this? If living things must be created, and God is a living thing...why does the rule not apply to all living things?

you believe living thing dont need a creator so why you believe god need a creator?

there are thing in the universe are uncreated and god is one of them

all i said is MY imagination

The argument being presented is a consistent one: "If living things must be created, and God is a living thing...why does the rule not apply to all living things?"

This argument you present misrepresents the original one. It was not argued that anyone believes "living thing dont need a creator". The plea is for an explanation of how you can defend the position you hold, not a statement of an alternative position.

Until you've demonstrated any mechanism whereby a god would necessarily be excluded from the list of all living things that must be created you have no right to make that baseless assertion. After that question is resolved we can get into the question of "Then how did living things come into existence?" A baseless assertion, such as you present, is not an answer. It's no different from claiming that the world rests on the back of a giant turtle.