White Fragility author Robin DiAngelo was paid 70 percent more than a black woman for the same job

[Metaphor]

https://thepostmillennial.com/white...cent-more-than-a-black-woman-for-the-same-job

Robin DiAngelo, the controversial author of White Fragility and anti-racism educator, received 70 percent higher pay for her keynote speaking role at a University of Wisconsin event than Austin Channing Brown, her black counterpart, the Washington Free Beacon discovered.

Both DiAngelo and Brown were keynote speakers at the University of Wisconsin-Madison's Division of Diversity, Equity, and Educational Achievement annual Diversity Forum. For their roles as keynote speakers, DiAngelo pulled $12,750 while Brown, who is African-American, was paid only $7,500. That's a difference of over $5,000.

Of course, racist conservative blowhards will interpret this as DiAngelo being a hypocrite, but there's nothing in DiAngelo's message that says she isn't worth more than black women doing the same job. In fact, she's a self-confessed racist. Move on, skeptics!

The forum took place over the course of two days on Zoom. The entire event is available online except for DiAngelo's keynote address, as the PowerPoint presentation she used during her speech is her intellectual property and she didn't want to make that public.

This is a necessary move by DiAngelo. It does seem like if you were actually interested in being antiracist, you would do everything in your power to spread your message, and the sweet spot for price is 'free'. But that's the conclusion of a tiny conservative economic blowhard mindset. No, the best way to spread your message is to charge people money to be lectured at. You see, if you are being charged money and are there of your own free will, you are bound to like the message more. She's just a clever and astute businesswoman and psychologist, really.

The Free Beacon noted that "while DiAngelo has made her name demanding that white people stop avoiding difficult conversations, she did not respond to multiple requests for comment."

Typical right wing nutjobs, thinking DiAngelo should enact the labour of responding to questions.

 

[laughing dog]

If the U. of WI paid person X 70% more than person Y for the same job, isn't that discrepancy on the U. of WI? Really, this appears just another example of conservative snowflakes making a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[Jarhyn]

If the U. of WI paid person X 70% more than person Y for the same job, isn't that discrepancy on the U. of WI? Really, this appears just another example of conservative snowflakes making a mountain out of a molehill.

Not only of making a mountain out of a molehill but also emphasizing that the author was right.

How do you read "white dude gets 70% more pay for doing the same work of pointing out that white people are privileged" and read "he is a hypocrite" rather than "wow, white people really ARE privileged!"

He didn't decide what he was paid. That was other people.

 

[ZiprHead]

Wondering if the persons in question in the OP even knew what they were being paid in comparison to each other.

 

[Jarhyn]

Wondering if the persons in question in the OP even knew what they were being paid in comparison to each other.

Which is also my point: hypocrisy that implies moral failings requires knowledge (or ignorance in the face of an obligation of research) of how one's own actions stand against their stated principles.

If the knowledge is not available, there is no hypocrisy.

 

[ZiprHead]

Wondering if the persons in question in the OP even knew what they were being paid in comparison to each other.

Which is also my point: hypocrisy that implies moral failings requires knowledge (or ignorance in the face of an obligation of research) of how one's own actions stand against their stated principles.

If the knowledge is not available, there is no hypocrisy.

So, Metaphor. Do you have any proof these two people knew how much they were being paid?

 

[Jarhyn]

Wondering if the persons in question in the OP even knew what they were being paid in comparison to each other.

Which is also my point: hypocrisy that implies moral failings requires knowledge (or ignorance in the face of an obligation of research) of how one's own actions stand against their stated principles.

If the knowledge is not available, there is no hypocrisy.

So, Metaphor. Do you have any proof these two people knew how much they were being paid?

Of cOuRsE! HoW dOeS soMeOne Not KnOw HoW mUch ThEy aRe GeTtIng PaId?

That aside, we will never see an honest or ethical answer (such as "they didn't, and I'm sorry I ever made this thread, you are right, please delete this misleading thread!")

 

[TomC]

I don't understand the point to this thread.

Just because two people have similar job descriptions doesn't mean they're equally able to perform. If Meryl Streep were doing a part in a theatrical production I'd fully expect her to earn more than someone who is also talented(like my niece) for doing the same part. And I wouldn't assume that the difference is bigotry, even though my niece is kinda Jewish.

Tom

 

[Trausti]

How many students could have benefited if the money was used for financial aid? Instead, it's paid to race grifters spreading their religion of division and hate. Enjoy those student loans!

 

[Trausti]

I don't understand the point to this thread.

Just because two people have similar job descriptions doesn't mean they're equally able to perform. If Meryl Streep were doing a part in a theatrical production I'd fully expect her to earn more than someone who is also talented(like my niece) for doing the same part. And I wouldn't assume that the difference is bigotry, even though my niece is kinda Jewish.

Tom

Um, it's the observation that a White women - and White men, too (like Tim Wise) - benefit most $$$ from the race grift industry.

 

[laughing dog]

How many students could have benefited if the money was used for financial aid?

The total was $20,000 between the two of them. In state tuition is roughly $10,000 per year. So 2 instate students could have had a free ride instead of the campus providing an opportunity for the campus community to hear potentially provocative speech.

Instead, it's paid to race grifters spreading their religion of division and hate. Enjoy those student loans!

Your commitment to the free market of ideas is duly noted.

 

[TSwizzle]

How many students could have benefited if the money was used for financial aid? Instead, it's paid to race grifters spreading their religion of division and hate. Enjoy those student loans!

It really is a religion;

Seeing the Racial Water: What does it mean to be white in a society that proclaims race meaningless yet is deeply divided by race? I will describe the way race shapes the lives of White people, explain what makes racism so hard for White people to see, and identify common White racial patterns that prevent us from moving towards greater racial equity. Weaving information, analysis, stories, images, and familiar examples, I provide the framework needed to develop white racial literacy.

Ministry of DiAngelo

This crap would make Benny Hinn blush.

 

[Trausti]

How many students could have benefited if the money was used for financial aid?

The total was $20,000 between the two of them. In state tuition is roughly $10,000 per year. So 2 instate students could have had a free ride instead of the campus providing an opportunity for the campus community to hear potentially provocative speech.

Instead, it's paid to race grifters spreading their religion of division and hate. Enjoy those student loans!

Your commitment to the free market of ideas is duly noted.

Jebus. Sorry about your student loans, but we needed to pay this person bank to give a speech on something that can be seen on a youtube video.

 

[Trausti]

How many students could have benefited if the money was used for financial aid? Instead, it's paid to race grifters spreading their religion of division and hate. Enjoy those student loans!

It really is a religion;

Seeing the Racial Water: What does it mean to be white in a society that proclaims race meaningless yet is deeply divided by race? I will describe the way race shapes the lives of White people, explain what makes racism so hard for White people to see, and identify common White racial patterns that prevent us from moving towards greater racial equity. Weaving information, analysis, stories, images, and familiar examples, I provide the framework needed to develop white racial literacy.

Minestry of DiAngelo

This crap would make Benny Hinn blush.

Many see the similarities between evangelical protestantism and the new "antiracist" religion. But the key difference is that Christianity offers redemption. Our new priestly class condemns us to eternal damnation for our irredeemable original sin; no matter the indulgences we pay to the new church.

 

[laughing dog]

The total was $20,000 between the two of them. In state tuition is roughly $10,000 per year. So 2 instate students could have had a free ride instead of the campus providing an opportunity for the campus community to hear potentially provocative speech.
Your commitment to the free market of ideas is duly noted.

Jebus. Sorry about your student loans, but we needed to pay this person bank to give a speech on something that can be seen on a youtube video.

Using your "reasoning", almost every subject and discipline that is taught at a University is available on the internet or a library. it is almost as if you have no clue what education entails and what broadening one's mind and exposure to different ideas actually means.

 

[Metaphor]

If the U. of WI paid person X 70% more than person Y for the same job, isn't that discrepancy on the U. of WI? Really, this appears just another example of conservative snowflakes making a mountain out of a molehill.

I don't know, is it?

Feminists have instructed men to be accountable--e.g. the 'panel pledge'--aimed at male executives who are asked to speak on panels. Why wasn't DiAngelo accountable for making sure she was not paid more than other keynote speakers?

 

[Metaphor]

If the U. of WI paid person X 70% more than person Y for the same job, isn't that discrepancy on the U. of WI? Really, this appears just another example of conservative snowflakes making a mountain out of a molehill.

Not only of making a mountain out of a molehill but also emphasizing that the author was right.

How do you read "white dude gets 70% more pay for doing the same work of pointing out that white people are privileged" and read "he is a hypocrite" rather than "wow, white people really ARE privileged!"

He didn't decide what he was paid. That was other people.

Jarhyn, do you intend on making a career of how long you can go openly and flagrantly misgendering people until somebody at talkfreethought finally reprimands you?

 

[Metaphor]

Wondering if the persons in question in the OP even knew what they were being paid in comparison to each other.

Which is also my point: hypocrisy that implies moral failings requires knowledge (or ignorance in the face of an obligation of research) of how one's own actions stand against their stated principles.

If the knowledge is not available, there is no hypocrisy.

So, Metaphor. Do you have any proof these two people knew how much they were being paid?

Of course not. I doubt DiAngelo gave a shit what the other keynote speaker was being paid and did not ask.

She did not say to the organisers: "all keynote speakers should be paid the same as each other so that no discrepancies by race arise. Can you give me that assurance?"

She did not reach out to the other keynotes and say: "I am being paid $12k for this speech, if you are not being paid at least that much, I should take a cut that should go to you until we are even".

She didn't do any of the things feminists often call on men to do to ensure pay equity.

 

[Metaphor]

I don't understand the point to this thread.

Just because two people have similar job descriptions doesn't mean they're equally able to perform.

Feminists believe that they do: the pay gap myth is built on the idea that people with the same job descriptions are doing the same work and it should be compensated equally.

Now, DiAngelo actually defended herself (sort of) by saying her fees were in line with what popular authors get for doing speeches, and I have no doubt she is correct. In fact, I have heard of DiAngelo and I'd never heard of the other keynote speaker so DiAngelo probably isn't worth 'the same', she's worth more, and she got more.

But in DiAngelo's worldview, part of the reason she got more is because she had white privilege, and yet she did nothing to ensure she gave up that privilege.

 

[ZiprHead]

So, Metaphor. Do you have any proof these two people knew how much they were being paid?

Of course not. I doubt DiAngelo gave a shit what the other keynote speaker was being paid and did not ask.

She did not say to the organisers: "all keynote speakers should be paid the same as each other so that no discrepancies by race arise. Can you give me that assurance?"

She did not reach out to the other keynotes and say: "I am being paid $12k for this speech, if you are not being paid at least that much, I should take a cut that should go to you until we are even".

So you are admitting you are criticizing her for something she had no knowledge of. What a fine person you are.

She didn't do any of the things feminists often call on men to do to ensure pay equity.

Do you have a citation of DiAngelo saying this is something that should be done or are you just broad-brushing?