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How Western Media faked it - a Russian view

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Here is an interesting VIDEO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONA8n7T5iNA

This is under 14 minutes and I think very interesting to watch and I am sure the different views will be interesting.

Just to make it more interesting we can wheel in Galloway

BBC caught faking a news report to promote war. George Galloway explains.

See Francis Boyle Professor of International at Illinois University at 11.32
 
Here is an interesting VIDEO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONA8n7T5iNA

This is under 14 minutes and I think very interesting to watch and I am sure the different views will be interesting.

Just to make it more interesting we can wheel in Galloway

BBC caught faking a news report to promote war. George Galloway explains.

See Francis Boyle Professor of International at Illinois University at 11.32

George Galloway? Has he ever met a terrorist he didn't like?
 
Here is an interesting VIDEO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONA8n7T5iNA

This is under 14 minutes and I think very interesting to watch and I am sure the different views will be interesting.

Just to make it more interesting we can wheel in Galloway

BBC caught faking a news report to promote war. George Galloway explains.

See Francis Boyle Professor of International at Illinois University at 11.32

George Galloway? Has he ever met a terrorist he didn't like?

I know nothing of George Galloway, but what's the evidence that he "likes" any terrorists?
 
It's a propanganda channel. That's obvious, right?

First off, the footage they claimed the BBC invented, I've never seen, and doesn't look much like BBC footage in any case. It looks like something from a daytime soap. What it does resemble, slightly, is Syrian state television, which occasionally gets clips shown over here in segments like 'meanwhile the Syria state television is saying X'

Second the allegations that they're making didn't get much play over here. There have been comments about possible chemical weapon use but they don't match what RT is claiming was faked, haven't had much stir over here, and they certainly weren't used as the justification for any kind of action.

Thirdly, they cite George Galloway MP for coroboration, but the clip of him supposedly commenting on their allegations is very vague. It took me a while to work out why, but then I realised they'd just copied an anti-government speech from the Iraq war and pretended it was current and about Syria. Alert observers may notice that he referrs to the Bush-Blair war machine, despite neither leader still being in power.

Fourthly, the criticisms they make don't seem to stand up to even casual scruntiny. For example they complain about the BBC citing information on casualities from the 'Syrian Obervatory on Human Rights', saying it's not a credible source. Well, sure, it probably isn't, which is why the BBC reported it as a claim from the organisation, rather than a fact. Since the webpage is still up, you can see for yourself whether the BBC was basing their report around this source. I don't see that they are. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25509933

Fifthly there seems to be quite a gap between the claims made by the presenter, and the evidence presented on the screen. The interview with a professor from the university of illinois doesn't match the commentary given about what he's saying, several of the statistics were simply listing how many sources disagreed with RT (almost all of them), and there's lots of juxtapostion of the word 'lie', people in authoritarian looking riot gear, and discussion of government conspiracy with western journalists giving reports, but nowhere do the reports shown actually back up the commentary about them.

Sixthly, RT can't make up their minds what they're saying. They claim that news organisations are infiltrated by the CIA in secret, that these organisations are forced to have CIA members on staff (so, not secret), that ordinary journalists on location have their orders as to what picture to encourage, and that news stories are fabricated using actors. Try and imagine a organisation where all of these are true for a moment...

In other words, it's pretty childish propaganda. Like most of RT's output, it's designed to impress people who don't look or listen too hard at what's actually being presented, and a few minutes of research demolishes most of what they say.

I've no doubt that there is a problem with bias and interference in media organisations. But this kind of cartoon clumsy capering is not it.
 
Well, US did fake WMD evidence in Iraq and went to War over it.
And US media did lie about Odessa massacre. And US media did lie about content of phone intercept about shot down B777.
Now even NATO seems to realize that they can't rely on words of current ukrainian government.

I don't watch RT, but RT is a reaction to the flood of lies and bullshit western media released on their own people. RT simply copies methods they use.
 
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Well, US did fake WMD evidence in Iraq and went to War over it.


And of course that makes it perfectly acceptable for Russia to annex territory and/or invade other countries based upon false pretenses. Hey, the US did it, so what could possibly go wrong? Since the US invaded Iraq on shady evidence, let's hold Russia to an even lower standard!


The new slogan for Putin's government? "Hey, trust us because we're only slightly more full of shit than the Americans!"
 
Sara Firth, who resigned from RT due to its lopsided MH-17 coverage had this to say, which I think is a good description of the channel's methods:
RFE/RL: Can you give us some examples of the rules you had to follow while reporting for RT? What was the editorial process like?

Firth: It's a very strange system. You have to get everything approved, your scripts approved. There is often a lot of deliberation back and forth about that. The thing is that you have a lot of freedom with your stories. So in London, I get to report on massively underreported stories that are really important. We go, we get the facts, we do it properly, if you're a good journalist, you're to get a good story. But it's only being taken by RT and it's only being put on air by RT if it fits their narrative. So in the U.K., it's quite easy, any story that makes the British government look bad, they'll take. Pointing fingers are what RT is about, and deflecting criticism and deflecting attention from Russia.
 
Well, US did fake WMD evidence in Iraq and went to War over it.


And of course that makes it perfectly acceptable for Russia to annex territory and/or invade other countries based upon false pretenses.
I did not say that. Question was about US media (in this case british) faking news.
So it seems the they did fake it.
As for Russia, there was no annexation, you are merely parroting lies you are being told by US media.
Hey, the US did it, so what could possibly go wrong? Since the US invaded Iraq on shady evidence, let's hold Russia to an even lower standard!
Again, people here trash RT for fabrication of BBC fabrication. But in reality It appears RT is right.
The new slogan for Putin's government? "Hey, trust us because we're only slightly less full of shit than the Americans!"
Fixed for you.
 
Sara Firth, who resigned from RT due to its lopsided MH-17 coverage had this to say, which I think is a good description of the channel's methods:
RFE/RL: Can you give us some examples of the rules you had to follow while reporting for RT? What was the editorial process like?

Firth: It's a very strange system. You have to get everything approved, your scripts approved. There is often a lot of deliberation back and forth about that. The thing is that you have a lot of freedom with your stories. So in London, I get to report on massively underreported stories that are really important. We go, we get the facts, we do it properly, if you're a good journalist, you're to get a good story. But it's only being taken by RT and it's only being put on air by RT if it fits their narrative. So in the U.K., it's quite easy, any story that makes the British government look bad, they'll take. Pointing fingers are what RT is about, and deflecting criticism and deflecting attention from Russia.
BBC have proven that Sara Firth is full of shit.
And I have seen her interviews, she was pretty cagey and appeared very underwhelming in terms of expected (by interviewers) amount of crap she actually said about RT.
Of course she understands that she can't talk too much crap, after all she was working there for a while.
But I think she knows she would be lying if she goes all out and tell what you want to hear.
Truth is, RT is much better than FoxNews, so shove it.

As for MH-17, I know for a fact that Western media lied about it.
I speak russian and can understand actual content of the intercept.
 
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As for Russia, there was no annexation, you are merely parroting lies you are being told by US media.


That's right...I forgot. You think Crimea was never anything other than part of Russia, and that whole decade or two where it wasn't was just a fabrication of US media.

You heard it here first, folks...Russia never annexes anything. Every territory was always part of Russia, and anyone that tells you different is a puppet of the evil Western Media!

:rolleyes:
 
As for Russia, there was no annexation, you are merely parroting lies you are being told by US media.


That's right...I forgot. You think Crimea was never anything other than part of Russia, and that whole decade or two where it wasn't was just a fabrication of US media.

You heard it here first, folks...Russia never annexes anything. Every territory was always part of Russia, and anyone that tells you different is a puppet of the evil Western Media!

:rolleyes:

People voted and reverted back illegal anexation of Crimea by Ukraine.
And By the way Sevastopol region was not even formal part of Ukraine during SU dissolution. Ukraine literally annexed it by force. Russia had a drunk president at the time who was preoccupied with other things, hence loss of Crimea and Chechen War.
 
Sara Firth, who resigned from RT due to its lopsided MH-17 coverage had this to say, which I think is a good description of the channel's methods:
BBC have proven that Sara Firth is full of shit.
And I have seen her interviews, she was pretty cagey and appeared very underwhelming in terms of expected (by interviewers) amount of crap she actually said about RT.
Of course she understands that she can't talk too much crap, after all she was working there for a while.
But I think she knows she would be lying if she goes all out and tell what you want to hear.
So you are basically saying that Sara Firth is lying because she's not trash talking RT enough? :rolleyes:

Truth is, RT is much better than FoxNews, so shove it.
I wasn't aware Fox News and RT are the only two news outlets in the world.

As for MH-17, I know for a fact that Western media lied about it.
I speak russian and can understand actual content of the intercept.
The intercept is not the only incriminating evidence against Russia. Besides, whetehr you think the intercept is credible is just your opinion against someone else's opinion. Why should I believe either one of you? It's also a fact that RT has been lying through its teeth when it comes to MH-17, so pointing out one piece of alleged misinformation that may have been propagated by some western media is a bit disingenious.
 
BBC have proven that Sara Firth is full of shit.
And I have seen her interviews, she was pretty cagey and appeared very underwhelming in terms of expected (by interviewers) amount of crap she actually said about RT.
Of course she understands that she can't talk too much crap, after all she was working there for a while.
But I think she knows she would be lying if she goes all out and tell what you want to hear.
So you are basically saying that Sara Firth is lying because she's not trash talking RT enough? :rolleyes:
No, I am not saying that. I am simply saying she is lying just enough not be accused of not quitting earlier.
Truth is, RT is much better than FoxNews, so shove it.
I wasn't aware Fox News and RT are the only two news outlets in the world.

As for MH-17, I know for a fact that Western media lied about it.
I speak russian and can understand actual content of the intercept.
The intercept is not the only incriminating evidence against Russia.
So it makes OK to lie? as long as you have another evidence you can lie about other?
And no I don't recall RT lying about MH-17, but then I don't watch it, so if you kindly point it out to me.
And again, I know for a fact that western media lied about content of the intercept.
And incriminating evidence, really? like what?
 
As for Russia, there was no annexation, you are merely parroting lies you are being told by US media.


That's right...I forgot. You think Crimea was never anything other than part of Russia, and that whole decade or two where it wasn't was just a fabrication of US media.

You heard it here first, folks...Russia never annexes anything. Every territory was always part of Russia, and anyone that tells you different is a puppet of the evil Western Media!

:rolleyes:

Well, Russia annexed Crimea about 250 years ago from what was essentially Turkey.
 
So it makes OK to lie?

I'd ask you the same question.

You've indicated that whatever Russia does - honest or not - is justified by the fact that the US lied about WMD in Iraq.

Why is Russian lying okay in your book? And if it isn't, then perhaps you'd care to criticize Moscow?


I won't hold my breath.
 
So it makes OK to lie?

I'd ask you the same question.

You've indicated that whatever Russia does - honest or not - is justified by the fact that the US lied about WMD in Iraq.
I indicated no such thing. I merely said that it would not be such a stretch for US and US media to lie.
Why is Russian lying okay in your book? And if it isn't, then perhaps you'd care to criticize Moscow?
That's irrelevant, because in this particular case we established what RT (russia) said is true.
And it is BBC who lied.
 
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