"Protester" Misconduct Catch All Thread

[Derec]

#BLMers at it again in Seattle. Blocking I-5. For no apparent reason.
12 arrested after highway blocked, ‘BLM’ painted on pavement in Seattle protest

They got arrested, but charges will likely be dismissed by friendly DA like most of charges related to #BLM riots have been.

Protesting is one thing. Blocking people and preventing them from free movement is quite another and should not be tolerated in a civilized society!

 

[Derec]

Don't you remember the BLM riots and occupied city blocks?

No they don't. Neither do CNN or MSNBC. They are still persisting in the delusion that last year's #BLM riots were "peaceful", contrary to reality.

 

[Derec]

More sick comedy: We've been lectured to, for four years now, about how Democrat mayors and governors are allowing a lawless spectacle to be enacted day after day in their towns and states without cracking down on them.

And we have been in turn lectured that this was righteous and understandable anger due to "racism" or "capitalism" and that the local politicians were right to dismiss criminal charges and to "give those who wish to destroy space to do that".

Trump's malicious, racist dumbbells actually break in the doors and windows of Congress, beat a policeman to death, and he tells them they're very special and he loves them. How this party of the big lie and the even bigger hypocrisy struts about without losing all of its popular support -- well, that's a measure of America just now.

The #BLM rioting of the last 7 years and the mainstream left and mainstream media's tacit support of those riots led to conditions where the attack on the Capitol was possible in the first place.

When a leftist mob invaded and occupied the Capitol Hill neighborhood in Seattle, including taking over and trashing a police precinct, the hapless Mayor Jenny called it "Summer of Love" and in general was supportive of the occupation. Only after a few weeks did she authorize that the city take over that territory.

So is in light of the occupation of Capitol Hill in Seattle, Washington, was the attack on Capitol Hill in Washington DC all that surprising?
And of course, vast majority (if not all, I do not recalling anybody getting prosecuted for it) of Seattle Capitol Hill occupiers got away scot free.

Of course, the right wing dumbbells should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But so should left wing dumbbells when they riot or occupy city blocks like they did in Seattle and still doing in Portland.
Note that #BLM riots led to several dead and many injured cops.

 

[Derec]

To be precise, the comedy lies in the fact that Republicunts and Trumptards do try an insurrection, had unprecedented support from elements of law enforcement

To quote the Law and Order intro, "In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: The police, who investigate crime, and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders." The #BLM/Antifa may not have gotten much support from the police, but they certainly got buttloads of support from friendly prosecutors like Mike Schmidt of Multnomah County. Most cases against most rioters have been dismissed. And I wonder how friendly federal prosecutors will prove to be to them when Biden takes over. Will cases against for example Colinford Mathis and Urooj Rahman, two lawless lawyers who threw incendiary devices at a police cruiser and handed them over to others, be dismissed? I sure hope not, but we live in very uncertain times.

 

[Derec]

Having white allies at your protests doesn't mean the state (president, law enforcement, etc.) suddenly supports and protects you!

I would say that when vast majority of criminal cases against #BLM and Antifa rioters get dismissed that they have support from the state.

 

[Derec]

Vacaville City Hall, Police Station Vandalized After Demonstrators March From Park

Good Day Sacramento does not identify the vandals (I wonder why) except to point out that they left "anti-government and anti-police" graffiti.

Fox News is more explicit.

Protesters carrying BLM signs vandalize CA police station

California's Vacaville Police Department was vandalized early Sunday night as an initially peaceful rally of almost 50 people in Andrews Park devolved into chaos.
Video cameras outside of the station captured black-clad demonstrators holding "f**k the police," "Black Lives Matter," and "ACAB" signs as they approached the doors.
The vandals broke a glass door at the station and spray-painted graffiti including "profane and threatening" messages about the police, according to a post on the department's Facebook page.

I guess attacking and vandalizing government buildings is ok now that it's the Left that's doing it again.

 

[Angry Floof]

Having white allies at your protests doesn't mean the state (president, law enforcement, etc.) suddenly supports and protects you!

I would say that when vast majority of criminal cases against #BLM and Antifa rioters get dismissed that they have support from the state.

Of course you would say that, but it doesn't make it true.

 

[ZiprHead]

To quote the Law and Order intro, "In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: The police, who investigate crime, and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders." The #BLM/Antifa may not have gotten much support from the police, but they certainly got buttloads of support from friendly prosecutors like Mike Schmidt of Multnomah County. Most cases against most rioters have been dismissed.

You say it's because of friendly prosecutors. How do you know it's that and not simply a matter of not having enough evidence to prosecute? Riots are chaotic. When police just start grabbing people off the street, it's hard to keep track of exactly what crime was committed by whom. You can't just walk into courtroom and say "Well, he was there. He must be guilty of something." But that's what you seem to be asking for.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Riots are chaotic. When police just start grabbing people off the street, it's hard to keep track of exactly what crime was committed by whom.

Which is why it was SO nice of the rioters on 1-6 to film individual felonies.

But if a process Derec is not party to gets results he doesn't approve of, complicity justifies his anger more than complications. Because it really seems to me that he hates anyone getting privileges he cannot claim.

 

[DrZoidberg]

To quote the Law and Order intro, "In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: The police, who investigate crime, and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders." The #BLM/Antifa may not have gotten much support from the police, but they certainly got buttloads of support from friendly prosecutors like Mike Schmidt of Multnomah County. Most cases against most rioters have been dismissed.

You say it's because of friendly prosecutors. How do you know it's that and not simply a matter of not having enough evidence to prosecute? Riots are chaotic. When police just start grabbing people off the street, it's hard to keep track of exactly what crime was committed by whom. You can't just walk into courtroom and say "Well, he was there. He must be guilty of something." But that's what you seem to be asking for.

I actually don't think that's a problem anymore. Riots are always filmed nowadays and if the rioters are nabbed while at the demo it's pretty much an open and shut case. But if you're are masked and manage to avoid getting arrested, then I think you are pretty safe from prosecution. Though I doubt any of these ever made it to court. I'm not talking about the BLM riots. I'm only talking about a riot in Gothemburg where a lot of leftist protestors were arrested and fined. I took an interest in those cases. I suspect it'll be pretty much the same thing regardless of where in the world rioters are prosecuted.

I also strongly doubt prosecutors are ever "friendly". Their job is to try to nail any fucker for any law they can find. If they fail it's because they were stupid when they first pressed charges. It happens. Typically public prosecutors don't bother with pressing charges unless they know in advance they'll win.

 

[Jarhyn]

To quote the Law and Order intro, "In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: The police, who investigate crime, and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders." The #BLM/Antifa may not have gotten much support from the police, but they certainly got buttloads of support from friendly prosecutors like Mike Schmidt of Multnomah County. Most cases against most rioters have been dismissed.

You say it's because of friendly prosecutors. How do you know it's that and not simply a matter of not having enough evidence to prosecute? Riots are chaotic. When police just start grabbing people off the street, it's hard to keep track of exactly what crime was committed by whom. You can't just walk into courtroom and say "Well, he was there. He must be guilty of something." But that's what you seem to be asking for.

I actually don't think that's a problem anymore. Riots are always filmed nowadays and if the rioters are nabbed while at the demo it's pretty much an open and shut case. But if you're are masked and manage to avoid getting arrested, then I think you are pretty safe from prosecution. Though I doubt any of these ever made it to court. I'm not talking about the BLM riots. I'm only talking about a riot in Gothemburg where a lot of leftist protestors were arrested and fined. I took an interest in those cases. I suspect it'll be pretty much the same thing regardless of where in the world rioters are prosecuted.

I also strongly doubt prosecutors are ever "friendly". Their job is to try to nail any fucker for any law they can find. If they fail it's because they were stupid when they first pressed charges. It happens. Typically public prosecutors don't bother with pressing charges unless they know in advance they'll win.

Oh, prosecutors are frequently friendly, when the "fucker" is a cop.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

To be precise, the comedy lies in the fact that Republicunts and Trumptards do try an insurrection, had unprecedented support from elements of law enforcement

To quote the Law and Order intro, "In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: The police, who investigate crime, and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders." The #BLM/Antifa may not have gotten much support from the police, but they certainly got buttloads of support from friendly prosecutors like Mike Schmidt of Multnomah County. Most cases against most rioters have been dismissed. And I wonder how friendly federal prosecutors will prove to be to them when Biden takes over. Will cases against for example Colinford Mathis and Urooj Rahman, two lawless lawyers who threw incendiary devices at a police cruiser and handed them over to others, be dismissed? I sure hope not, but we live in very uncertain times.

Most cases are dismissed because the arrests never should have happened in the first place. The police use a bogus arrest to shut people up, especially these days when it might be a death sentence.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Vacaville City Hall, Police Station Vandalized After Demonstrators March From Park

Good Day Sacramento does not identify the vandals (I wonder why) except to point out that they left "anti-government and anti-police" graffiti.

Fox News is more explicit.

Protesters carrying BLM signs vandalize CA police station

California's Vacaville Police Department was vandalized early Sunday night as an initially peaceful rally of almost 50 people in Andrews Park devolved into chaos.
Video cameras outside of the station captured black-clad demonstrators holding "f**k the police," "Black Lives Matter," and "ACAB" signs as they approached the doors.
The vandals broke a glass door at the station and spray-painted graffiti including "profane and threatening" messages about the police, according to a post on the department's Facebook page.

I guess attacking and vandalizing government buildings is ok now that it's the Left that's doing it again.

Note: "black-clad demonstrators". That's most likely not BLM, but the assholes that like to take advantage of protests.

 

[blastula]

Protesters smash windows at the Democratic headquarters in Portland, Ore. - NYT

antifa is trash. They don't care about their alleged causes, they "protest" just because they like it as a lifestyle, they like getting their jollies breaking things and battle larping

 

[Trausti]

Protesters smash windows at the Democratic headquarters in Portland, Ore. - NYT

antifa is trash. They don't care about their alleged causes, they "protest" just because they like it as a lifestyle, they like getting their jollies breaking things and battle larping

Deprogram Antifa? Oh right. They don’t exist.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I actually don't think that's a problem anymore. Riots are always filmed nowadays and if the rioters are nabbed while at the demo it's pretty much an open and shut case. But if you're are masked and manage to avoid getting arrested, then I think you are pretty safe from prosecution. Though I doubt any of these ever made it to court. I'm not talking about the BLM riots. I'm only talking about a riot in Gothemburg where a lot of leftist protestors were arrested and fined. I took an interest in those cases. I suspect it'll be pretty much the same thing regardless of where in the world rioters are prosecuted.

I also strongly doubt prosecutors are ever "friendly". Their job is to try to nail any fucker for any law they can find. If they fail it's because they were stupid when they first pressed charges. It happens. Typically public prosecutors don't bother with pressing charges unless they know in advance they'll win.

Oh, prosecutors are frequently friendly, when the "fucker" is a cop.

Sure. But they are cops. Cops know how to game the system and avoid getting into trouble, even when they've fucked up. They know exactly what words and phrases to use when interrogated to get off. The interrogators also have an incentive to get the cops off, so they will participate in the charade. Since all the information the prosecutors uses to prosecute cops comes from the cops themselves, it's easy to see how this is the inevitable result.

That said, when reading actual court rulings in the court documents they often come across as sensible. Having little relationship to what the media writes about it. Tabloids love interpreting anything about cops in court as making the cops look bad. Which is what the newspapers should be doing. They are supposed to be harsh on the government representatives. But a lot of people who read this don't understand what is happening, and takes the news reporting as a fair representation of what is happening. People today feel too much and think too little when reading these news stories IMHO.

 

[Derec]

Note: "black-clad demonstrators". That's most likely not BLM, but the assholes that like to take advantage of protests.

I don't see why it would not be #BLM. They also blocked a highway in Seattle for MLK Day. #BLM has a tendency to riot or block highways on MLK Day. A few years ago they blockaded a major bridge in the Bay Area.
Black Lives Matter protesters block San Francisco's Bay Bridge
Some of them were arrested, but a friendly judge dropped all the charges after a friendly prosecutor undercharged them. That emboldens these creeps to do it over and over again knowing that there will not be consequences.


By the way, #BLMers also rioted in NYC for MLK day.

Dozens arrested in NYC as cops, protesters clash outside City Hall Park

Police and Black Lives Matter protesters clashed outside City Hall Park on Monday night, resulting in dozens of arrests and several injured officers, authorities said.

The confrontation began at about 8:30 p.m. after hundreds of protesters who originally met outside the Barclays Center marched across the Brooklyn Bridge in a demonstration honoring Martin Luther King Jr., according to social media posts.
[...]
Ten police officers were injured in the melee, sources said, and a captain was struck in the helmet with a bottle.
Police sources said one protester, who was arrested, swung a stick at an officer.

Nothing says "honoring MLK" like wanton violence.

Also I guess attacking and injuring police is back to being a "progressive" value. It was nice having a consensus that violence against the police was bad, but I guess we all knew that would not last long past the 6th ...

 

[Derec]

This time, let's go to California

Orange County rally organizer accused of running over Trump supporters faces new charges

The organizer of a rally against police brutality who was charged with attempted murder last year after she allegedly plowed her car into counter-protesters, seriously injuring two people, now faces additional felony charges after a months-long review of the case, prosecutors said Wednesday.

Prosecutors plan to file two felony counts of assault with a deadly weapon against Tatiana Rita Turner, 40, of Long Beach during a court hearing next month, the Orange County district attorney’s office said in a news release.

The additional charges stem from allegations that she used a four-foot rod to repeatedly beat two men who were lying on the ground after they had been attacked by protesters at a Seal Beach demonstration against police brutality in August. The attack in Seal Beach left one of the victims with injuries to his head so severe they required staples, prosecutors said.

Or as Elixir would call it, "protesting for racial and social justice".

 

[Elixir]

Or as Elixir would call it, "protesting for racial and social justice".

you have no idea what I would call it, obviously.

Anti-racism rally organizer Tatiana Turner is facing additional charges in connection with rallies that turned violent in Yorba Linda and Seal Beach last year.

I would call her agitator. No evidence that there was a mob endorsing her actions. There isn't even any evidence that she intended to trash the National Capitol, overturn a free and fair national election, kill elected officials...

OTOH, here is your idea of "protesting for politcal justice".


What makes right wingers LESS concerned about that than about a black woman going nuts at a protest?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Note: "black-clad demonstrators". That's most likely not BLM, but the assholes that like to take advantage of protests.

I don't see why it would not be #BLM. They also blocked a highway in Seattle for MLK Day. #BLM has a tendency to riot or block highways on MLK Day. A few years ago they blockaded a major bridge in the Bay Area.

BLM likes blocking things. The Black Bloc scum like damaging things.