This week's top woke fauxgressive idiot

[Metaphor]

Time after time, white supremacists are tolerated or even encouraged by elected officials,

laughing dog said violent white supremacists. Not 'white supremacists'.

Opposition to violent white supremacy is ubiquitous in the United States. Hell, opposition to violence is present (and possibly widespread) within white supremacist circles.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Time after time, white supremacists are tolerated or even encouraged by elected officials,

laughing dog said violent white supremacists. Not 'white supremacists'.

Opposition to violent white supremacy is ubiquitous in the United States. Hell, opposition to violence is present (and possibly widespread) within white supremacist circles.

My spologies for not fully using all the words that i find make the term 'viloent white supremacists' redundant. But the opposition you claim is widespread, but not ubiquitous.

If it were ubiquitous, we could at least expect that resolutions condemning it would pass unanimously at city, state, and federal levels. They do not.

We would expect that we could confidently claim at least some organizations are free of 'violent white supremacists' or their supporters. We cannot. Fuckers turn up in law enforcement, city, state, and federal; military; FEMA; ICE; federal weather agencies; health organizations.... No. Opposition to them is not ubiquitous.

 

[Metaphor]

If it were ubiquitous, we could at least expect that resolutions condemning it would pass unanimously at city, state, and federal levels. They do not.

Ubiquitous does not mean unanimous.

Opposition to violent white supremacy is widespread in the United States.

 

[Keith&Co.]

You're still wrong. And you shifted from 'very widespread'....

Let me try this, then.
As you said, beds are ubiquitous in the US. I would feel confident inassuming anyone i meet from work has a bed at home. If they do not, it's on them for being different, not on me for making the assumption.

I do not own a cell phone. But when someone asks for my cell number, i do not blame them for making that assumption.

There are 10 people in my unit at work. We're in Massachusetts. I cannot assume that all of them were opposed to Charlottesville. Or to the Proud Boys. Or the Klan. The opposition you claim is not THAT very widespread. We JUST spent four years having that shoved in our faces.

 

[Metaphor]

You're still wrong. And you shifted from 'very widespread'....

Let me try this, then.
As you said, beds are ubiquitous in the US. I would feel confident inassuming anyone i meet from work has a bed at home. If they do not, it's on them for being different, not on me for making the assumption.

I do not own a cell phone. But when someone asks for my cell number, i do not blame them for making that assumption.

There are 10 people in my unit at work. We're in Massachusetts. I cannot assume that all of them were opposed to Charlottesville. Or to the Proud Boys. Or the Klan. The opposition you claim is not THAT very widespread. We JUST spent four years having that shoved in our faces.

Oy gevalt. I give up. I accept that you and laughing dog truly believe that opposition to violent white supremacy is not widespread in America.

 

[Jokodo]

That's not what anyone is talking about when they mention dismantling white privilege, though, and you know it (at least you would if you ever paid attention to what people are telling you). The idea behind calling Bernie Sanders' outfit an instance of white/male privilege isn't to demand that he, or white people in general, stop wearing mittens - it is to remind readers that a woman or black person sitting in his place, instead of becoming glorified in a meme, might well have been criticized for their unprofessional or "ghetto" posture. That contention may not be accurate, but at any rate it is dishonest to pretend that the author wants to bar white people from wearing mittens.

The author did not "remind" readers of anything. The author engaged herself in a fantasia that women and black people did not have the privilege of wearing mittens on a cold day and expected us to believe and sympathise.

You know, when it used to be an (explicit, legally codified) white privilege to sit in the front of the bus, civil rights activists didn't want to force whites to sit in the back either - they wanted the right to sit in the front opened to everyone. In the same way, saying (whether right or wrong) that wearing mittens and casual clothing at a ceremony like that is a white privilege doesn't translate to demanding that whites should be stopped from doing it; almost the opposite, it means we should stop scrutinizing non-white people who do the same or similar things, stop calling them unprofessional/ghetto/poorly adapted to life in America over a personal choice of clothing.

Bernie Sanders did not look unprofessional/ghetto/poorly adapted, not because he is white, but because he was fucking dressed appropriately. I do not understand the fucking memes that are all over my facebook nor can I see what the fuck anybody is talking about. He doesn't look shabby, he doesn't look like anything except an old man wearing a coat and mittens for a winter fucking day in DC.

The person documented in the OP made an attempt to capitalise on the popularity of a meme to spread her false gospel. Too bad she misjudged the limits of even the left wing audience for this crap (though, no doubt, there will be people who 100% believe her and will point to people's incredulity that she is exactly correct about privilege).

You're entirely missing the point. I responded to you saying "I also don't want to dismantle the ability for white people to wear mittens on cold days." That's a paranoid fantasy and further removed from reality than the author's contention that only white men get away with that kind of behaviour without scrutiny could possibly be - even if that too is a paranoid fantasy, as it may well be.

Tl;dr: however bat shit crazy that shit is, your regular paranoia is objectively at least as bad.

 

[Metaphor]

The author did not "remind" readers of anything. The author engaged herself in a fantasia that women and black people did not have the privilege of wearing mittens on a cold day and expected us to believe and sympathise.



Bernie Sanders did not look unprofessional/ghetto/poorly adapted, not because he is white, but because he was fucking dressed appropriately. I do not understand the fucking memes that are all over my facebook nor can I see what the fuck anybody is talking about. He doesn't look shabby, he doesn't look like anything except an old man wearing a coat and mittens for a winter fucking day in DC.

The person documented in the OP made an attempt to capitalise on the popularity of a meme to spread her false gospel. Too bad she misjudged the limits of even the left wing audience for this crap (though, no doubt, there will be people who 100% believe her and will point to people's incredulity that she is exactly correct about privilege).

You're entirely missing the point. I responded to you saying "I also don't want to dismantle the ability for white people to wear mittens on cold days." That's a paranoid fantasy and further removed from reality than the author's contention that only white men get away with that kind of behaviour without scrutiny could possibly be - even if that too is a paranoid fantasy, as it may well be.

Tl;dr: however bat shit crazy that shit is, your regular paranoia is objectively at least as bad.

It is not 'paranoid' that CRT believers regularly call for the 'dismantling' of white privilege. If their meaning is misunderstood, that's on them.

 

[Jokodo]

The author did not "remind" readers of anything. The author engaged herself in a fantasia that women and black people did not have the privilege of wearing mittens on a cold day and expected us to believe and sympathise.



Bernie Sanders did not look unprofessional/ghetto/poorly adapted, not because he is white, but because he was fucking dressed appropriately. I do not understand the fucking memes that are all over my facebook nor can I see what the fuck anybody is talking about. He doesn't look shabby, he doesn't look like anything except an old man wearing a coat and mittens for a winter fucking day in DC.

The person documented in the OP made an attempt to capitalise on the popularity of a meme to spread her false gospel. Too bad she misjudged the limits of even the left wing audience for this crap (though, no doubt, there will be people who 100% believe her and will point to people's incredulity that she is exactly correct about privilege).

You're entirely missing the point. I responded to you saying "I also don't want to dismantle the ability for white people to wear mittens on cold days." That's a paranoid fantasy and further removed from reality than the author's contention that only white men get away with that kind of behaviour without scrutiny could possibly be - even if that too is a paranoid fantasy, as it may well be.

Tl;dr: however bat shit crazy that shit is, your regular paranoia is objectively at least as bad.

It is not 'paranoid' that CRT believers regularly call for the 'dismantling' of white privilege. If their meaning is misunderstood, that's on them.

It's on you if you jump to conclusion that are directly contradicted by publically available explanations, or indeed in the same article a few paragraphs down.

 

[Metaphor]

It is not 'paranoid' that CRT believers regularly call for the 'dismantling' of white privilege. If their meaning is misunderstood, that's on them.

It's on you if you jump to conclusion that are directly contradicted by publically available explanations, or indeed in the same article a few paragraphs down.

It's true the author calls for black people and women to have the same "privilege" as Bernie did to wear mittens on a cold day.

Of course, they already do.

 

[Jokodo]

It is not 'paranoid' that CRT believers regularly call for the 'dismantling' of white privilege. If their meaning is misunderstood, that's on them.

It's on you if you jump to conclusion that are directly contradicted by publically available explanations, or indeed in the same article a few paragraphs down.

It's true the author calls for black people and women to have the same "privilege" as Bernie did to wear mittens on a cold day.

Of course, they already do.

If you understand that, then you already knew that noone was calling for white men to loose that "privilege" (whether or not it actually is a privilege is beside the point). The evidence suggests you knowingly and willingly engaged in a straw man. If you have some decency left, this is the point where you apologize and leave this thread for good.

 

[ideologyhunter]

I threw out all my mittens on Thursday. But... I didn't have to do this???

 

[Elixir]

If you are trying to be funny, it isn't working. If you are serious, your comments are ridiculous.

You are the one reveling in the future where white men lose all power in the US.

I'd like a future where white men lose about 68% of the power in the US, since they (we) are less than 31% of the population...

 

[laughing dog]

You're still wrong. And you shifted from 'very widespread'....

Let me try this, then.
As you said, beds are ubiquitous in the US. I would feel confident inassuming anyone i meet from work has a bed at home. If they do not, it's on them for being different, not on me for making the assumption.

I do not own a cell phone. But when someone asks for my cell number, i do not blame them for making that assumption.

There are 10 people in my unit at work. We're in Massachusetts. I cannot assume that all of them were opposed to Charlottesville. Or to the Proud Boys. Or the Klan. The opposition you claim is not THAT very widespread. We JUST spent four years having that shoved in our faces.

Oy gevalt. I give up. I accept that you and laughing dog truly believe that opposition to violent white supremacy is not widespread in America.

Abstracting from your pedantry and penchant for misrepresenting the posts of others, it is fascinating that you feel you have a better notion of life in the USA than the actual residents.

 

[TomC]

If you are trying to be funny, it isn't working. If you are serious, your comments are ridiculous.

You are the one reveling in the future where white men lose all power in the US.

When everyone has equal power, that will seriously reduce the power of white men. But it doesn't mean white men will lose all power. That's total b.s.

This is just the crap where people who can't dominate anymore, but are accustomed to doing so, feel discriminated against because they can't enforce their will on other people as well as they used to do.

White men aren't losing all power in the USA. Not even close! They're just losing their privilege that they've had for centuries in the Abrahamic world.


And while I agree that "Check your privilege" is way overused by extremists of the SJW variety, the flip side of that is also overused. Wypepo also complain about having the privilege they deserve impinged upon. Without explaining how they deserve any.
Tom

 

[Jarhyn]

You're still wrong. And you shifted from 'very widespread'....

Let me try this, then.
As you said, beds are ubiquitous in the US. I would feel confident inassuming anyone i meet from work has a bed at home. If they do not, it's on them for being different, not on me for making the assumption.

I do not own a cell phone. But when someone asks for my cell number, i do not blame them for making that assumption.

There are 10 people in my unit at work. We're in Massachusetts. I cannot assume that all of them were opposed to Charlottesville. Or to the Proud Boys. Or the Klan. The opposition you claim is not THAT very widespread. We JUST spent four years having that shoved in our faces.

Oy gevalt. I give up. I accept that you and laughing dog truly believe that opposition to violent white supremacy is not widespread in America.

Abstracting from your pedantry and penchant for misrepresenting the posts of others, it is fascinating that you feel you have a better notion of life in the USA than the actual residents.

To be fair, opposition to white supremacists is widespread in America. The problem is, however, that support for them is also widespread. It can, in fact, be both. This creates a much worse situation wherein a conflict is nearly inevitable at some point

 

[Metaphor]

It's true the author calls for black people and women to have the same "privilege" as Bernie did to wear mittens on a cold day.

Of course, they already do.

If you understand that, then you already knew that noone was calling for white men to loose that "privilege" (whether or not it actually is a privilege is beside the point). The evidence suggests you knowingly and willingly engaged in a straw man. If you have some decency left, this is the point where you apologize and leave this thread for good.

I said that CRT believers use language like 'dismantling privilege'. They do. When combined with their (imaginary) descriptions of privilege, it is absolutely fair to criticise the language.

 

[Keith&Co.]

If you are trying to be funny, it isn't working. If you are serious, your comments are ridiculous.

You are the one reveling in the future where white men lose all power in the US.

I'd like a future where white men lose about 68% of the power in the US, since they (we) are less than 31% of the population...

I would suggest white men share about 68% of their power, best way to retain 31% of it. If they wait until it's wrested from them, they'll lose a lot more than 68%.
Pendulums tend to swing rather far before settling down.

 

[Metaphor]

You're still wrong. And you shifted from 'very widespread'....

Let me try this, then.
As you said, beds are ubiquitous in the US. I would feel confident inassuming anyone i meet from work has a bed at home. If they do not, it's on them for being different, not on me for making the assumption.

I do not own a cell phone. But when someone asks for my cell number, i do not blame them for making that assumption.

There are 10 people in my unit at work. We're in Massachusetts. I cannot assume that all of them were opposed to Charlottesville. Or to the Proud Boys. Or the Klan. The opposition you claim is not THAT very widespread. We JUST spent four years having that shoved in our faces.

Oy gevalt. I give up. I accept that you and laughing dog truly believe that opposition to violent white supremacy is not widespread in America.

Abstracting from your pedantry and penchant for misrepresenting the posts of others, it is fascinating that you feel you have a better notion of life in the USA than the actual residents.

The US residents on this board are not representative of US residents overall. Of that I am certain.

Nor do I particularly trust the stated perceptions of somebody who is unable to admit to the influence of CRT on American academia.

 

[Metaphor]

I threw out all my mittens on Thursday. But... I didn't have to do this???

Weather.com says the maximum for Port Clinton today is -9° C.

But, you don't want to look undignified and sloppy like Bernie did.

 

[Jokodo]

It's true the author calls for black people and women to have the same "privilege" as Bernie did to wear mittens on a cold day.

Of course, they already do.

If you understand that, then you already knew that noone was calling for white men to loose that "privilege" (whether or not it actually is a privilege is beside the point). The evidence suggests you knowingly and willingly engaged in a straw man. If you have some decency left, this is the point where you apologize and leave this thread for good.

I said that CRT believers use language like 'dismantling privilege'. They do. When combined with their (imaginary) descriptions of privilege, it is absolutely fair to criticise the language.

You said that you feel an urge to defend right people's ability to wear mittens - as if that was under attack by anyone. That shows either of two things: either you suffer from paranoia, or you tried to smear you opponents by inserting claims you knew to be false, which is a case of arguing in bad faith.

You seemed to imply that you're aware the threat isn't real, which leaves only the second option. Which one is it though?