What does a minimum wage hike have to do with COVID relief?

[Jimmy Higgins]

this is the republican's fault - they set the precedent of stuffing unrelated bills with riders for their pet causes.

Both parties do this all the time. Where are you getting that the GOP started this?

It's clear that the GOP didn't start it -- this follows axiomatically from the fact that the Democratic Party is decades older. It's silly for our current two parties to blame each other for something the Federalists started.

Actually the Whigs own this.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

COVID-19, like most diseases, hits those in poverty harder, because of reduced access to preventative medical care. Increasing the minimum wage to a living wage reduces the number of people in poverty, therefor, it will lessen the impact of the next pandemic, just as it would have lessened the impact of COVID-19 due to a reduction in the number of people below the poverty line.

That is a pretty tortured connection, even you must admit.
If it included funding for a CDC Emerging Diseases department or to stockpile PPE or something, I could see it. But paying burger flippers $15 is not going to shield them from catching the next superbug.

No, but kicking them out of the kitchen altogether will stop them from passing the infection on to one another.

Raising minimum wage to $15 would cost 1.4 million jobs, CBO says

Doesn't it also improve the situation for 90% (80%?, it was substantial) of those targeted with the $15 /hr minimum wage?

I do ponder, whether that number means people that actually become unemployed, as a lot of those people work multiple jobs in the first place, and at a $15 /hr wage, it might mean they don't need that second job as depserately.

 

[KeepTalking]

COVID-19, like most diseases, hits those in poverty harder, because of reduced access to preventative medical care. Increasing the minimum wage to a living wage reduces the number of people in poverty, therefor, it will lessen the impact of the next pandemic, just as it would have lessened the impact of COVID-19 due to a reduction in the number of people below the poverty line.

That is a pretty tortured connection, even you must admit.
If it included funding for a CDC Emerging Diseases department or to stockpile PPE or something, I could see it. But paying burger flippers $15 is not going to shield them from catching the next superbug.

Tortured or not, you asked for a connection, you got one. I disagree that it is tortured. I do feel it is more connected to mitigating the harm of future pandemics than being directly related to the current pandemic, and noted as much.

 

[ZiprHead]

COVID-19, like most diseases, hits those in poverty harder, because of reduced access to preventative medical care. Increasing the minimum wage to a living wage reduces the number of people in poverty, therefor, it will lessen the impact of the next pandemic, just as it would have lessened the impact of COVID-19 due to a reduction in the number of people below the poverty line.

That is a pretty tortured connection, even you must admit.
If it included funding for a CDC Emerging Diseases department or to stockpile PPE or something, I could see it. But paying burger flippers $15 is not going to shield them from catching the next superbug.

Shield them? No. But it would help limit the spread. People forced to live in poverty tend to live in larger, mutli generational homes to pool limited resources. One person brings the virus home and it can spread to numerous extended family members. It's one of the reasons covid struck the black community so much harder than others.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

American Employment 2021 Review

Jobs that pay less than $15 an hour

Burger flippers

Jobs that pay more than $15 an hour

Every other job in America

 

[laughing dog]

Not according to this site https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/164635. Do you have a link to support your claim of intent? Or are you confusing intent with outcome?

Google hit #1:

https://mises.org/wire/racist-history-minimum-wage-laws

Hit #2:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carrie...ivations-behind-minimum-wage/?sh=f23a84f11bbd

Thank you for actually supporting your claim with evidence because I know it was a real effort on your part. I see the answer to my question is that you are confusing intent with outcome. Most policies and legislation draw support for many reasons and from multiple constituents. And, as Ziprhead pointed out, none of that indicates those are among the current rationales for increasing the minimum wage.

I've pointed this out before, you just don't want to accept it.

This may surprise you, but I do not read every post you make. Nor do I necessarily recall every post you make.

 

[Bomb#20]

...It's silly for our current two parties to blame each other for something the Federalists started.

Maybe. Do you have any cite for this?

The obvious would be the 5th Amendment. What does eminent domain compensation have to do with the rights of defendants?

 

[TomC]

American Employment 2021 Review

Jobs that pay less than $15 an hour

Burger flippers

Jobs that pay more than $15 an hour

Every other job in America

That's ridiculous. People raise families on less than $12/hr. Employers with family friendly benefit packages don't have trouble attracting competent workers.

Like I've said before, it depends hugely on what region you live in. The cost of living in Seattle, Washington is hugely different from Seymour, Indiana. Around here, you can buy a 2 bedroom house in a good school district for $40K. That's not true everywhere.
Tom

 

[southernhybrid]

American Employment 2021 Review

Jobs that pay less than $15 an hour

Burger flippers

Jobs that pay more than $15 an hour

Every other job in America

That's ridiculous. People raise families on less than $12/hr. Employers with family friendly benefit packages don't have trouble attracting competent workers.

Like I've said before, it depends hugely on what region you live in. The cost of living in Seattle, Washington is hugely different from Seymour, Indiana. Around here, you can buy a 2 bedroom house in a good school district for $40K. That's not true everywhere.
Tom

No offense, but I'm a bit of a real estate junkie and I just looked up home prices in Seymour. The cheapest home was about 110K and it might be in terrible condition. Check it out for yourself. You may not realize that real estate prices have risen exponentially over the past two years.

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Seymour_IN

 

[Gospel]

The housing market in Orlando Florida is showing an increase in almost double what they were on average in little as 6 years ago. I got my house just 4 years ago and the price has gone up 100k since then. Not trying to give away too much info but that increase is just 40k short of the total price I paid for the place. Other than trying to convince my wife to sell and use the profits to put a downpayment on another house and the rest in savings I'm not complaining.

 

[TomC]

American Employment 2021 Review

Jobs that pay less than $15 an hour

Burger flippers

Jobs that pay more than $15 an hour

Every other job in America

That's ridiculous. People raise families on less than $12/hr. Employers with family friendly benefit packages don't have trouble attracting competent workers.

Like I've said before, it depends hugely on what region you live in. The cost of living in Seattle, Washington is hugely different from Seymour, Indiana. Around here, you can buy a 2 bedroom house in a good school district for $40K. That's not true everywhere.
Tom

No offense, but I'm a bit of a real estate junkie and I just looked up home prices in Seymour. The cheapest home was about 110K and it might be in terrible condition. Check it out for yourself. You may not realize that real estate prices have risen exponentially over the past two years.

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Seymour_IN

Maybe that's all that's advertised on the internet.
But a lady up the road just bought a serviceable mobile home for $6K.
Tom

 

[Gospel]

No offense, but I'm a bit of a real estate junkie and I just looked up home prices in Seymour. The cheapest home was about 110K and it might be in terrible condition. Check it out for yourself. You may not realize that real estate prices have risen exponentially over the past two years.

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Seymour_IN

Maybe that's all that's advertised on the internet.
But a lady up the road just bought a serviceable mobile home for $6K.
Tom

TomC, you know you're about to get roasted for going from house to mobile home right?

 

[TomC]

No offense, but I'm a bit of a real estate junkie and I just looked up home prices in Seymour. The cheapest home was about 110K and it might be in terrible condition. Check it out for yourself. You may not realize that real estate prices have risen exponentially over the past two years.

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Seymour_IN

Maybe that's all that's advertised on the internet.
But a lady up the road just bought a serviceable mobile home for $6K.
Tom

TomC, you know you're about to get roasted for going from house to mobile home right?

<shrugs>

I know you can buy a lot of house around here for a lot less than $110K.
Tom

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Not according to this site https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/164635. Do you have a link to support your claim of intent? Or are you confusing intent with outcome?

Google hit #1:

https://mises.org/wire/racist-history-minimum-wage-laws

Hit #2:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carrie...ivations-behind-minimum-wage/?sh=f23a84f11bbd

I've pointed this out before, you just don't want to accept it.

Neither of those articles show clear intent.

And even if so, why should that intent be applied tot today?

The problem here is that we are talking about things that happened long before the internet--very little of it is going to be online.

And it's not about intent, but effect.

 

[KeepTalking]

The minimum wage was implemented to keep blacks out of the labor force.

Raising the minimum wage is about keeping more of them out of the labor force.

And it's not about intent, but effect.

Are you sure you understand the argument you are making?

 

[Bomb#20]

Jobs that pay less than $15 an hour

Burger flippers

Jobs that pay more than $15 an hour

Every other job in America

That's ridiculous. People raise families on <snip>

I'm pretty sure Jimmy was being sarcastic.

 

[WAB]

American Employment 2021 Review

Jobs that pay less than $15 an hour

Burger flippers

Jobs that pay more than $15 an hour

Every other job in America

Yo Jimmy, my good friend SpongeBob has just asked me if you would kindly stop using the derogatory term "burger flipper" and come up with something more exciting, like:

Meat Patty Alternator
Grill Heat Balancing Engineer
Spatulation Artist


M'kay?

 

[WAB]

No offense, but I'm a bit of a real estate junkie and I just looked up home prices in Seymour. The cheapest home was about 110K and it might be in terrible condition. Check it out for yourself. You may not realize that real estate prices have risen exponentially over the past two years.

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Seymour_IN

Maybe that's all that's advertised on the internet.
But a lady up the road just bought a serviceable mobile home for $6K.
Tom

Is she single? I can cook like hell, and I can vacuum and rake leaves. They got trees in Seymour? She sounds like my kind of gal. Hoooeeeey!

 

[Swammerdami]

...It's silly for our current two parties to blame each other for something the Federalists started.

Maybe. Do you have any cite for this?

The obvious would be the 5th Amendment. What does eminent domain compensation have to do with the rights of defendants?

You're joking right? The Bill of Rights was passed as a batch. They chose to have a smallish number of articles, rather than dozens.

Unless you come up with a real documented example for the type of "bundling" at issue, I'll treat your claim as retracted.

 

[TomC]

No offense, but I'm a bit of a real estate junkie and I just looked up home prices in Seymour. The cheapest home was about 110K and it might be in terrible condition. Check it out for yourself. You may not realize that real estate prices have risen exponentially over the past two years.

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Seymour_IN

Maybe that's all that's advertised on the internet.
But a lady up the road just bought a serviceable mobile home for $6K.
Tom

Is she single? I can cook like hell, and I can vacuum and rake leaves. They got trees in Seymour? She sounds like my kind of gal. Hoooeeeey!

She's sorta single. She's got a boyfriend she complains about.
She can cook, she just doesn't want to do it.

You sound like the boyfriend she already has. Since her stroke, and disability checks, she doesn't lack male companionship.
It's kinda gross, really. I feel bad for her.

Yeah, southern Indiana has lots of trees.

PM your bank account number, SS number, mother's maiden name, and last known address. Maybe I'll get back to you.

I care about her.


Tom