Another White Mass Murderer Taken Alive

[Toni]

Anthony Hill was not "killed on sight". He was killed after charging at the cop. Which is very dangerous because an assailant can overpower and disarm a police officer.


If you surrender, you generally do not get shot. If you charge/attack, you probably will. Hill did not "plead for help". Where did you get that?

It’s time for you to give it up, Loren. After all you came out in defense of police shooting an unarmed 12 year old black child playing in the park.

You mean armed with a realistic looking replica firearm of a similar kind used to commit armed robberies? Including in one case by a perp not much older than Rice.

Just stop and consider that police make snap judgements all the time and among those judgement are that even terrified naked black men are more of a threat than heavily armed white mass murderers. And you make those same snap judgements from the safety of your computer screen. Except they aren’t snap judgements.

These judgments police officers make have, by necessity, to be snap judgments as things can escalate quickly within mere seconds. Hesitating too long can lead to a perp taking your gun for example. It has happened before. This is one of the many examples. Some examples end much more tragically though.

When talking about police shootings later on, in the comfort of our homes, we have to be cognizant of that fact.

Get off it, Derec. We all saw the video of two police officers roaring up in a park setting and killing an unarmed child within 3 seconds, the child just standing there, looking at them shyly.

 

[Gospel]

Derec is just fine with police not being held accountable for not following procedure (specifically in the case of a child being killed on-site). We all know this already, what we don't know is if he applies the same attitude towards any company employee of which he's a customer for causing an issue far less severe than death. Let me guess Derec, ever ordered something, received the wrong item, and kept it because they get it right most of the time, or did you expect them to correct it? My guess is the latter.

And don't try to pull the whole Mcdonalds Employee is not the same as a Officer of the law, I'm specifically talking about the act of doing your god damn job right regardless of what that Job is.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Get off it, Derec. We all saw the video of two police officers roaring up in a park setting and killing an unarmed child within 3 seconds, the child just standing there, looking at them shyly.

The child going for his gun.

Yeah, he almost certainly was trying to ditch it. To ditch it you have to draw it. Realistic replicas should not be in the hands of children!

 

[Gospel]

Get off it, Derec. We all saw the video of two police officers roaring up in a park setting and killing an unarmed child within 3 seconds, the child just standing there, looking at them shyly.

The child going for his gun.

Yeah, he almost certainly was trying to ditch it. To ditch it you have to draw it. Realistic replicas should not be in the hands of children!

Yeah, and real ones shouldn't be in the hands of officers who would pull up less than 4 feet away from an armed suspect, jump out of the car, not take cover and start firing within seconds. I mean, how in that short amount of time did they assess the area for bystanders? Could have easily killed more innocent people. And you want that on our streets while going about your day? That's just stupid.

 

[J842P]

Get off it, Derec. We all saw the video of two police officers roaring up in a park setting and killing an unarmed child within 3 seconds, the child just standing there, looking at them shyly.

The child going for his gun.

Yeah, he almost certainly was trying to ditch it. To ditch it you have to draw it. Realistic replicas should not be in the hands of children!

Even if we assume this for the sake of argument, the police should not have shot him, and were responsible for his death.

 

[Toni]

Get off it, Derec. We all saw the video of two police officers roaring up in a park setting and killing an unarmed child within 3 seconds, the child just standing there, looking at them shyly.

The child going for his gun.

Yeah, he almost certainly was trying to ditch it. To ditch it you have to draw it. Realistic replicas should not be in the hands of children!

BULLSHIT. First of all, it was a toy, not a gun. Secondly, from the video I saw, it looked very much as though he was asked to show what he had to the officers who immediately shot him. Within seconds of seeing him.

Now, this would have been understandable, if tragic, if there had been any reports of shots being fired but there were not. In fact, the caller expressed to the dispatcher that they thought it was just a child with a toy.

Compare and contrast with two mass killers in the past 10 days who were apprehended without incident.

Of course, they had pale skin, so.....

You have no idea how much I wish it were not true that too many people and too many people who are law enforcement see black skin and think dangerous criminal. But that's how it is for black families in the US. To always be regarded as a dangerous threat. I can remember men on this very forum, perhaps even you, expressing how bad they feel when a woman crosses the street when they see them or declines to get into an elevator if they will be alone with them. Imagine being black and not only having to worry about your feelings getting hurt but your life endangered or taken because someone thinks you must be about to murder them..because you exist.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

The shooter had just murdered 10 people.

Anthony Hill did not harm or threaten to harm anyone nor was he armed. Of course, he did it while black, so...

The shooter was an unarmed, naked and wounded man, surrendering without making any sort of threatening moves. Do you think if he had been black, the cops would have shot him? And say what? That he was hiding a gun where?

The same thing they said when they shot a naked, unarmed Anthony Hill (and other black men) who had even less a place to hide any weapon as this shooter kept on his underwear and Hill (and other black men in other incidents) were completely naked.

Okay, so what is the scenario: cops show up, and there is a Black man in his underwear, wounded, completely unarmed, surrendering, and not moving. They shoot him and then they say...what?

 

[Elixir]

They shoot him and then they say...what?

"We thought he had a gun and were afraid for our lives."

Read the news, dude.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

They shoot him and then they say...what?

"We thought he had a gun and were afraid for our lives."

Read the news, dude.

The scenario is: cops show up, and there is a Black man in his underwear, wounded, completely unarmed, surrendering, and not moving.

It is obvious that he does not have a gun (no place to hide it) and that he is not fighting, resisting, anything. Why do you think they would shoot him? I mean, what sort of intent do you think the cops would have? Something like 'Let us shoot him because he is a Black murderer, even if we probably go to prison', but with this guy, 'Let us not shoot the White murderer, because he is White?'.

Do you think that police officers involved in shootings regularly have that sort of intent in mind?

At least from what I read in the news, usually police officers involve in shootings do think that the person they shoot has a gun, or otherwise is a threat, and fear for their lives. Sometimes, they are justified, and sometimes, they are not. But it's not deliberate, when they can clearly see that the person is not a threat.

 

[Derec]

Get off it, Derec. We all saw the video of two police officers roaring up in a park setting and killing an unarmed child within 3 seconds, the child just standing there,

They made a mistake of "roaring up to him", but it is a lie to refer to him as being unarmed.

looking at them shyly.

It's a grainy security video. There is no way you can see something like that in the video.

 

[Derec]

BULLSHIT. First of all, it was a toy, not a gun.

It was a realistic replica.

Now, this would have been understandable, if tragic, if there had been any reports of shots being fired but there were not. In fact, the caller expressed to the dispatcher that they thought it was just a child with a toy.

If the called thought that, why call 911? I think what the caller said that it might be a fake gun and that the person brandishing it might be a minor.
But this case is almost 7 years old. Why are you still harping on it?

Of course, they had pale skin, so.....

Most killers get apprehended alive, regardless of skin color. But that does not fit the racist narratives pushed by the Left.

 

[Gospel]

It was a realistic replica.
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If the called thought that, why call 911? I think what the caller said that it might be a fake gun and that the person brandishing it might be a minor.
But this case is almost 7 years old. Why are you still harping on it?

Of course, they had pale skin, so.....

Most killers get apprehended alive, regardless of skin color. But that does not fit the racist narratives pushed by the Left.

What you fail to comprehend here is this is not about all instances of police shootings. The police being right most of the time (which they are) does not make them right when they are wrong. That's the problem you seem to struggle with. It's as if you refuse to realise that when they are wrong jack shit is done about it in almost all cases.

 

[Toni]

It was a realistic replica.
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If the called thought that, why call 911? I think what the caller said that it might be a fake gun and that the person brandishing it might be a minor.
But this case is almost 7 years old. Why are you still harping on it?

Of course, they had pale skin, so.....

Most killers get apprehended alive, regardless of skin color. But that does not fit the racist narratives pushed by the Left.

What you fail to comprehend here is this is not about all instances of police shootings. The police being right most of the time (which they are) does not make them right when they are wrong. That's the problem you seem to struggle with. It's as if you refuse to realise that when they are wrong jack shit is done about it in almost all cases.

Exactly.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Get off it, Derec. We all saw the video of two police officers roaring up in a park setting and killing an unarmed child within 3 seconds, the child just standing there, looking at them shyly.

The child going for his gun.

Yeah, he almost certainly was trying to ditch it. To ditch it you have to draw it. Realistic replicas should not be in the hands of children!

BULLSHIT. First of all, it was a toy, not a gun. Secondly, from the video I saw, it looked very much as though he was asked to show what he had to the officers who immediately shot him. Within seconds of seeing him.

Loren must be talking about a different case than the Tamir Rice shooting as clearly the officers hadn't enough time to see a person going for a weapon before the officer (a guy who should never have been a cop in the first place) started shooting. And then once shot, did need not provide aid, notice "the gun" was fake... but did put Tamir's sister in the back of the police car.

Clearly Loren couldn't possibly be defending the actions of the officer who wasn't allowed to be a cop in a suburb of Cleveland due to maturity problems.

I remember talking to a co-worker who said the kid was an idiot, and I told them to watch the video and notice how almost no time passes between cop arrival and shooting. They actually changed their mind regarding the outcome. Yes, Rice should have worn underwear to indicate he didn't want to be raped, but otherwise, his death was only destined because of the failure of the officers involved.

 

[Toni]

It was a realistic replica.
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If the called thought that, why call 911?

Good question. If memory serves, the caller thought some people in the park might be frightened.

I think what the caller said that it might be a fake gun and that the person brandishing it might be a minor.
But this case is almost 7 years old. Why are you still harping on it?

The caller said that the 'pistol' was probably a fake and that the person with the 'pistol' was probably a juvenile.

Why am I still harping on this? How dare we forget that a black child was killed by police for playing in the park. The police roared up in their patrol car, began yelling "Show me your hands" at a frightened child and then shot him dead as he tried to show them his hands which had been in his pockets, not brandishing a gun, toy or not. The car had not even come to a complete stop when Tamir Rice was shot. What even made these officers believe that they had pulled up on the correct 'suspect?"

Study after study have shown that black children in school and in society are perceived as being older than they are, stronger, more impervious to pain, more criminal. In school settings as well as in the criminal justice system, they are more likely to receive disciplinary actions and such actions are more harsh compared with discipline of their white classmates for the same behavior. I'm not even writing same offense because so much of what gets a black person shot dead is simply being black in the presence of an armed white person who is scared of black people or assumes that black people are stronger, more impervious to pain, more criminal, more violent than white people.

Most killers get apprehended alive, regardless of skin color. But that does not fit the racist narratives pushed by the Left.

Let's talk racism, then:
https://news.yale.edu/2020/10/27/racial-disparity-police-shootings-unchanged-over-5-years

It’s critical, said author Dowin Boatright, assistant professor of emergency medicine at Yale, that fatal police shootings of BIPOC are recognized and treated as a public health emergency.

In an analysis of 4,653 fatal shootings for which information about both race and age were available, the researchers found a small but statistically significant decline in white deaths (about 1%) but no significant change in deaths for BIPOC. There were 5,367 fatal police shootings during that five-year period, according to the Post’s database. In the case of armed victims, Native Americans were killed by police at a rate three times that of white people (77 total killed). Black people were killed at 2.6 times the rate of white people (1,265 total killed); and Hispanics were killed at nearly 1.3 times the rate of white people (889 total killed). Among unarmed victims, Black people were killed at three times the rate (218 total killed), and Hispanics at 1.45 times the rate of white people (146 total killed).

Source article cited in the Yale piece is behind a paywall but here's this from the abstract:

https://jech.bmj.com/content/75/4/394

Results This study shows that the rate of fatal police shootings for Black, Indigenous, and People of Colour (BIPOC) is constant from 2015 to 2020. Further, BIPOC have significantly higher death rates compared with Whites in the overall victim pool (Native American RR=3.06, Black RR=2.62, Hispanic RR=1.29) and among unarmed victims (Black RR=3.18, Hispanic RR=1.45). Native American (RR=3.95), Black (overall RR=3.29, unarmed RR=3.49) and Hispanic (RR=1.55, unarmed RR=1.55), victims had similarly high rates of YLL relative to Whites.

Conclusion Fatal police shootings are a public health emergency that contribute to poor health for BIPOC. Urgent attention from health professionals is needed to help drive policy efforts that reduce this unjust burden and move us towards achieving health equity in the US.

Why am I still talking about Tamir Rice?

Because things have not changed since he was killed.

 

[Trausti]

Good question. If memory serves, the caller thought some people in the park might be frightened.



The caller said that the 'pistol' was probably a fake and that the person with the 'pistol' was probably a juvenile.

Why am I still harping on this? How dare we forget that a black child was killed by police for playing in the park. The police roared up in their patrol car, began yelling "Show me your hands" at a frightened child and then shot him dead as he tried to show them his hands which had been in his pockets, not brandishing a gun, toy or not. The car had not even come to a complete stop when Tamir Rice was shot. What even made these officers believe that they had pulled up on the correct 'suspect?"

Study after study have shown that black children in school and in society are perceived as being older than they are, stronger, more impervious to pain, more criminal. In school settings as well as in the criminal justice system, they are more likely to receive disciplinary actions and such actions are more harsh compared with discipline of their white classmates for the same behavior. I'm not even writing same offense because so much of what gets a black person shot dead is simply being black in the presence of an armed white person who is scared of black people or assumes that black people are stronger, more impervious to pain, more criminal, more violent than white people.

Most killers get apprehended alive, regardless of skin color. But that does not fit the racist narratives pushed by the Left.

Let's talk racism, then:
https://news.yale.edu/2020/10/27/racial-disparity-police-shootings-unchanged-over-5-years

It’s critical, said author Dowin Boatright, assistant professor of emergency medicine at Yale, that fatal police shootings of BIPOC are recognized and treated as a public health emergency.

In an analysis of 4,653 fatal shootings for which information about both race and age were available, the researchers found a small but statistically significant decline in white deaths (about 1%) but no significant change in deaths for BIPOC. There were 5,367 fatal police shootings during that five-year period, according to the Post’s database. In the case of armed victims, Native Americans were killed by police at a rate three times that of white people (77 total killed). Black people were killed at 2.6 times the rate of white people (1,265 total killed); and Hispanics were killed at nearly 1.3 times the rate of white people (889 total killed). Among unarmed victims, Black people were killed at three times the rate (218 total killed), and Hispanics at 1.45 times the rate of white people (146 total killed).

Source article cited in the Yale piece is behind a paywall but here's this from the abstract:

https://jech.bmj.com/content/75/4/394

Results This study shows that the rate of fatal police shootings for Black, Indigenous, and People of Colour (BIPOC) is constant from 2015 to 2020. Further, BIPOC have significantly higher death rates compared with Whites in the overall victim pool (Native American RR=3.06, Black RR=2.62, Hispanic RR=1.29) and among unarmed victims (Black RR=3.18, Hispanic RR=1.45). Native American (RR=3.95), Black (overall RR=3.29, unarmed RR=3.49) and Hispanic (RR=1.55, unarmed RR=1.55), victims had similarly high rates of YLL relative to Whites.

Conclusion Fatal police shootings are a public health emergency that contribute to poor health for BIPOC. Urgent attention from health professionals is needed to help drive policy efforts that reduce this unjust burden and move us towards achieving health equity in the US.

Why am I still talking about Tamir Rice?

Because things have not changed since he was killed.

Huh. Asians are a mythical people who don’t exist.

 

[Arctish]

If the called thought that, why call 911? I think what the caller said that it might be a fake gun and that the person brandishing it might be a minor.
But this case is almost 7 years old. Why are you still harping on it?

This case is almost 7 years old. Why are you still ignorant of the facts?

We've had thread after thread on this topic. We've had link after link to the recording of the 911 call. We've all heard the man say twice that the gun was "probably fake" and that the guy was "probably a juvenile". We've discussed whether the failure to ensure Loehmann and Garmbeck understood that the person they were looking for was a kid is exculpatory.

How can you still not know that part of the story?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Duke Lacrosse Team in 3..2..1..

 

[Swammerdami]

Another mass murder in Orange, California. The news story didn't state the race of the shooter; according to one of us pro-gun TFTers (can't remember which one) this means the shooter was Black: MSM would be delighted to identify the race of white shooters as part of their White Lives Don't Matter platform.

Thoughts and prayers. I hope the anti-gun, anti-cop anti-America fanatics will have the grace to stifle their rants for at least a week, until these California victims are buried.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Another mass murder in Orange, California. The news story didn't state the race of the shooter; according to one of us pro-gun TFTers (can't remember which one) this means the shooter was Black: MSM would be delighted to identify the race of white shooters as part of their White Lives Don't Matter platform.

Thoughts and prayers. I hope the anti-gun, anti-cop anti-America fanatics will have the grace to stifle their rants for at least a week, until these California victims are buried.

A child was a victim, so I presumed domestic "incident".

The "suspect" is Aminadab Gaxiola Gonzalez, and apparently not a family thing. WTF?!