Guest lecturer at Yale fantasizes about shooting white people in the head

[Metaphor]

Okay, then, fanatasies (plural). Big correction! So several fleeting thoughts.

No, her hatred and rage at white people is not fleeting and not past tense. It is continual. Her specific "killing and burying" white people she has used the past tense with, but it was not a single fantasy and it was not 'fleeting'.

Her rage and hatred ("make my blood boil") continue. She uses the present tense.

No plans. No reality.

What? The problem is not that she would carry out her murderous fantasies. The problem is the murderous fantasies. She is ministering to the mental health of people that she has hatred and rage towards.

You are the very thought police you argue against constantly when it comes to Nazis who LITERALLY REALLY make plans for assassinations. Still a false equivalence.

I didn't suggest she plans to kill white people. I said she had multiple murderous fantasies about killing them and continues to hate and be enraged by them. Such a person should not be ministering to the mental health of white people.

Also, her words only cause you suffering because you let them. They only trigger you because you are being a snowflake about it. If you chelax, they have zero impact on your life except how the Daily Mail likes to get you all riled up and ready for white activism.

Her words have not caused me suffering. I am concerned that somebody who expresses such murderous rage about a class of people can nevertheless be allowed to minister to their mental health.

We see this false equivalence over and over in the thread.

There's no false equivalence. There doesn't have to be a comparison to anything. This woman is a mental health professional who has white patients. White people make her blood boil. She has cut out 99% of white people from her life. She has cut 'white' BIPOC people from her life. She had multiple murderous fantasies about murdering white people and being celebrated by society for doing it.

This is not some Tweets from ten years ago laughing about how bland cracker food is. This is a woman who openly hates white people as a class, and is ministering to their mental health. This obviously doesn't concern you, but can you at least concede why some people might find it concerning?

EDIT: I am glad she confessed her rage. Her white patients who did not previously know she hates them as a class can now make a more informed decision about the kind of person who they are paying to help them with their mental health.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Perhaps.

No "perhaps" about it. She absolutely is a racist. And you only softened your position from "no" to "perhaps" because you remembered that I'm also a minority and you're not allowed to disagree with me.

She is a victim of widespread institutional white racism and a society filled with white racists.

That's why she's a guest lecturer at Yale, because they discriminated against her.

Take away white racism and she is not twisted into a racist.

You don't know what could have been. I know what is. She is a racist.

 

[untermensche]

That's why she's a guest lecturer at Yale, because they discriminated against her.

Her history is more than that.

Any total moron would fully understand that.

 

[laughing dog]

I quoted the part of the interview with her from which I drew my conclusion.

So, you take a mined quote and draw conclusions.

Grief is not a product of white 'colonial' guilt or 'believing a lie' about it. The grief did not arise because of my whiteness.

She did not say it did.

The statement is gaslighting. It is normal to become upset and defend yourself when people accuse you of falsehoods.

What statement is gaslighting?

 

[Metaphor]

So, you take a mined quote and draw conclusions.

No. I was asked to provide the quote of Khilanani saying white people's problems are in their own minds and a result of 'colonial lies'. I didn't draw conclusions--they are Khilanani's expressed words.

What statement is gaslighting?

That white people's suffering is 'in their own minds' and a result of 'colonial lies'.

 

[laughing dog]

So, you take a mined quote and draw conclusions.

No. I was asked to provide the quote of Khilanani saying white people's problems are in their own minds and a result of 'colonial lies'. I didn't draw conclusions--they are Khilanani's expressed words.

Your conclusion is based on a mined quote (by the article). Ms. Khiliani does not say that white people's problems are due to a single source - that is your conclusion.

That white people's suffering is 'in their own minds' and a result of 'colonial lies'.

Since I believe she was referring to psychological or emotional problems, she is right that those are in their own minds. I happen to disagree about the rest because I am extremely doubtful of monocausal explanations of any type.

 

[Metaphor]

Your conclusion is based on a mined quote (by the article). Ms. Khiliani does not say that white people's problems are due to a single source - that is your conclusion.

The implication of 'quote mining' is that something is taken out of context to imply something other than the author's or speaker's intention. I did not quote mine. Stop saying I did. The interview published on Bari Weiss's page is a full transcribed interview.

Khilanani said the following. I will publish it again for the benefit of the readers (italics mine)

What is the difference between white peoples' suffering and the suffering of people of color?

People of color, myself included, suffer from being positioned in the world, psychologically, and the stuff that goes with it: violence, this, that. Now, white people suffer from problems of their own mind. They suffer with trust, they suffer with intimacy, they suffer with closeness, shame, guilt, anxiety. They suffer with their minds. Don’t get me wrong, people of color are also neurotic and have their own stuff and ups and downs. But there is a fundamental issue I think that is very unique to white suffering and I think that’s their own mind.

What would you say is the cause of this?
I think it’s colonialism. That history. If you do this much lying to yourself it's going to have an effect on your mind. There's no way it can’t.

Since I believe she was referring to psychological or emotional problems, she is right that those are in their own minds.

She is, but she is treating white problems as specially 'in their own minds' as contrasted to everyone else's problems. Everyone else's problems are based primarily on their 'situation in the world' (white racism against them). White people's problems are all internal-locus.

I happen to disagree about the rest because I am extremely doubtful of monocausal explanations of any type.

I agree that grief is experienced because of what your brain does to you, but I would not separate out grief for white people versus grief for everyone else, and say to white people 'it's all in your mind' - which is, frankly speaking, an unbelievably callous and idiotic thing for a mental health professional to say to a patient. I would also not say 'you believed colonial lies and that's what is causing your problems', which is, frankly speaking, nearly more idiotic than the first thing.

Khilanani should not be ministering to the mental health of white people (or anybody really, but white people especially). She hates white people as a class. That cannot lead to good clinical outcomes.

 

[untermensche]

One can wonder what motivates these people so interested in defending the honor of the white race?

How dare this individual woman with no power have bad thoughts about white people!

 

[Trausti]

One can wonder what motivates these people so interested in defending the honor of the white race?

How dare this individual woman with no power have bad thoughts about white people!

Is this a fucking joke? She's the daughter of two immigrants who became doctors; she went to a very elite and pricey private school; then to the University of Michigan; then medical school at the University of Illinois. So oppressed. Why is it that people who have gained so much by moving to a horribly White country hate White people so much? Internalized jealousy?

 

[untermensche]

One can wonder what motivates these people so interested in defending the honor of the white race?

How dare this individual woman with no power have bad thoughts about white people!

Is this a fucking joke? She's the daughter of two immigrants who became doctors; she went to a very elite and pricey private school; then to the University of Michigan; then medical school at the University of Illinois. So oppressed. Why is it that people who have gained so much by moving to a horribly White country hate White people so much? Internalized jealousy?

Another defender of the white race I see.

I can't seem to muster your enthusiasm about one lone woman and her thoughts.

White people merely hating black people in their minds would not be a problem.

 

[Metaphor]

One can wonder what motivates these people so interested in defending the honor of the white race?

How dare this individual woman with no power have bad thoughts about white people!

What an astonishing statement. Khilanani is a position of extreme privilege and considerable power. She is in the top 1% of income worldwide. She has cultural esteem as a medical doctor and psychiatrist. Her white-hatred confessionals qualify as 'continuing medical education'. The State has entrusted the mental health of people she hates to her.

 

[Metaphor]

One can wonder what motivates these people so interested in defending the honor of the white race?

How dare this individual woman with no power have bad thoughts about white people!

Is this a fucking joke? She's the daughter of two immigrants who became doctors; she went to a very elite and pricey private school; then to the University of Michigan; then medical school at the University of Illinois. So oppressed. Why is it that people who have gained so much by moving to a horribly White country hate White people so much? Internalized jealousy?

Another defender of the white race I see.

I can't seem to muster your enthusiasm about one lone woman and her thoughts.

White people merely hating black people in their minds would not be a problem.

It would be a problem if those white people were psychiatrists with black patients.

 

[Trausti]

One can wonder what motivates these people so interested in defending the honor of the white race?

How dare this individual woman with no power have bad thoughts about white people!

Is this a fucking joke? She's the daughter of two immigrants who became doctors; she went to a very elite and pricey private school; then to the University of Michigan; then medical school at the University of Illinois. So oppressed. Why is it that people who have gained so much by moving to a horribly White country hate White people so much? Internalized jealousy?

Another defender of the white race I see.

I can't seem to muster your enthusiasm about one lone woman and her thoughts.

White people merely hating black people in their minds would not be a problem.

She's not even black! You flagellants are something else.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

That's why she's a guest lecturer at Yale, because they discriminated against her.

Her history is more than that.

Any total moron would fully understand that.

Oh yeah, everyone who ever succeeded at anything did so because they were discriminated against. You do need to be a total moron to understand that.

 

[untermensche]

Another defender of the white race I see.

I can't seem to muster your enthusiasm about one lone woman and her thoughts.

White people merely hating black people in their minds would not be a problem.

She's not even black! You flagellants are something else.

Why are you wailing about her thoughts?

 

[untermensche]

That's why she's a guest lecturer at Yale, because they discriminated against her.

Her history is more than that.

Any total moron would fully understand that.

Oh yeah, everyone who ever succeeded at anything did so because they were discriminated against. You do need to be a total moron to understand that.

Success is a myth.

I have enough.

That is success.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Success is a myth.

That does explain just about everything about you.

 

[untermensche]

Success is a myth.

That does explain just about everything about you.

If you say so.

To want with no end is a pathology.

Worshiping pathological behavior gives you a pathological society.

Something so sick a Trump can float to the top of it.

 

[Trausti]

Success is a myth.

That does explain just about everything about you.

If you say so.

To want with no end is a pathology.

Worshiping pathological behavior gives you a pathological society.

Something so sick a Trump can float to the top of it.

Pathological. Like mentioning Trump in a thread with nothing to do with Trump.

 

[untermensche]

If you say so.

To want with no end is a pathology.

Worshiping pathological behavior gives you a pathological society.

Something so sick a Trump can float to the top of it.

Pathological. Like mentioning Trump in a thread with nothing to do with Trump.

If you want to talk about a pathological society one that elevates scum like Trump is a perfect example.