New rioting and looting in Minneapolis

[laughing dog]

But your penchant for blaming #BLM for everything is truly revealing.

I do not blame #BLMers for everything. I blame them for #BLM riots.

More revealing than your minimization of the Jan. 6 riot by those who share your stated views about minorities and leftists.

I am not minimizing it, but I am also not exaggerating its importance.

Keep telling yourself that.

It it is not the only riot that matters, and there is no need to bring it up whenever we talk about left wing riots.

There is no need to denote riots as "left wing" or "#BLM" when protests get out of hand. In these protests, which start out peaceful, there is plenty of incitement from many factors. But you feel the need to place responsibility/blame on your bete noires. It would be pathetic if it weren't driven by bigotry.

The situation in Minneapolis is complex. The police have worked a long time to lose the trust of a significant portion of the citizenry there - Mr Floyd's unnecessary killing was simply the match on the gasoline. Tensions will not reduce quickly - it will take time and patience. "Law and order" through heavy-handed tactics is what got the city into this situation. It is idiotic to think it will get it out of it as well.

 

[Trausti]

I do not blame #BLMers for everything. I blame them for #BLM riots.



I am not minimizing it, but I am also not exaggerating its importance.

Keep telling yourself that.

It it is not the only riot that matters, and there is no need to bring it up whenever we talk about left wing riots.

There is no need to denote riots as "left wing" or "#BLM" when protests get out of hand. In these protests, which start out peaceful, there is plenty of incitement from many factors. But you feel the need to place responsibility/blame on your bete noires. It would be pathetic if it weren't driven by bigotry.

Right. It’s just a coincidence.

 

[laughing dog]

Keep telling yourself that.
There is no need to denote riots as "left wing" or "#BLM" when protests get out of hand. In these protests, which start out peaceful, there is plenty of incitement from many factors. But you feel the need to place responsibility/blame on your bete noires. It would be pathetic if it weren't driven by bigotry.

Right. It’s just a coincidence.

What is (or is not) a "coincidence"?

 

[Trausti]

Keep telling yourself that.
There is no need to denote riots as "left wing" or "#BLM" when protests get out of hand. In these protests, which start out peaceful, there is plenty of incitement from many factors. But you feel the need to place responsibility/blame on your bete noires. It would be pathetic if it weren't driven by bigotry.

Right. It’s just a coincidence.

What is (or is not) a "coincidence"?

That BLM and left wing “protests” often end in violence and property destruction. Only a coincidence.

 

[laughing dog]

What is (or is not) a "coincidence"?

That BLM and left wing “protests” often end in violence and property destruction. Only a coincidence.

Just like these protest often end up with the police attacking peaceful protesters is only a coincidence. Or that often there are rightwing provocateurs who participate in the violence is only a coincidence.

And it is only a coincidence that bigots and racists often ignore the facts to focus on a mono-causal explanation that tends to land squarely on people of color or organizations that are viewed as helping/protecting people of color.

 

[Derec]

There is no need to denote riots as "left wing" or "#BLM" when protests get out of hand.

Of course there is. These riots are left wing and #BLM. You are just trying to deny that your side has been engaging in violent and sometimes deadly riots to honor thugs like Winston Boogie Smith.

In these protests, which start out peaceful, there is plenty of incitement from many factors. But you feel the need to place responsibility/blame on your bete noires. It would be pathetic if it weren't driven by bigotry.

Bullshit. There is no bigotry there. And these protests turn violent almost immediately. QT in Ferguson burned on the first night of protesting. Stores were looted and vandalized on the first day of the Winston Smith riots as well.

The situation in Minneapolis is complex.

Not really. Winston Smith was a robber who had a warrant for a firearm. Instead of surrendering, he pulled a gun. Pretty straightforward.
As is the aftermath. The looting. The rioting. The blocking of streets for two weeks now. This is all from #BLM playbook that we have seen in variations since 2014.
Minneapolis is worse than most cities, in no small part due to bad leadership from Mayor Frey and the even worse city council.

The police have worked a long time to lose the trust of a significant portion of the citizenry there - Mr Floyd's unnecessary killing was simply the match on the gasoline.

There have been riots in Minneapolis long before George Floyd. For example when Jamar Clark was killed. And even when things happen far away, Minneapolis is quick to block the interstate of some shit like that.

Tensions will not reduce quickly - it will take time and patience. "Law and order" through heavy-handed tactics is what got the city into this situation. It is idiotic to think it will get it out of it as well.

I disagree. Minneapolis was way too soft on the rioters. They have for example been allowed to occupy the so-called "George Floyd Square" for over a year. Now they are occupying the area where Winston Smith was shot for two weeks. And hardly any of the rioters, looters and vandals have been prosecuted. This is not heavy handed. That is treating rioters with kid gloves. As long as Minneapolis lets them get away with it, the city will get more rioting over and over again.

 

[Derec]

Just like these protest often end up with the police attacking peaceful protesters is only a coincidence.

What "peaceful protesters" were attacked?

Or that often there are rightwing provocateurs who participate in the violence is only a coincidence.

That is very rare, even though you want to pretend every white rioters is a rightwing provocateur despite the fact that there are many white people among the #BLM/Antifa members.

And it is only a coincidence that bigots and racists often ignore the facts to focus on a mono-causal explanation that tends to land squarely on people of color or organizations that are viewed as helping/protecting people of color.

It's not racism to object to harmful movements and groups even if they have "black" in their name and pretend to help black people
#BLM is a harmful movement. They glorify thugs like Winston Smith or Mike Brown and are openly hostile to police.
Damn right they are the problem here!

 

[Derec]

Oh they know it's bad.

Do they though?

The disagreement is not whether it's bad the disagreement is in the cause and remedy. For instance, some think that if Police do a better job and build trust by holding themselves accountable when they fuck up BLM wouldn't be a thing.

That is obviously not the case. #BLM was built on a lie - "hands up, don't shoot" i.e. that Mike Brown was holding his hands up in surrender. In reality, he robbed a store, attacked a police officer, and then after initially running away, he turned around and advanced toward the officer.
There were other #BLM riots built on blatant lies - Keith Scott "he had a book, not a gun" probably being the best known.

You (and sometimes I) come along whenever BLM protests for the "wrong people" and rightfully see the destruction and theft going on say "the police need to do something!". We are correct that the police need to do something however (and this is my view) it will get worse if the police continue to fuck up and not hold themselves accountable.

Chauvin was prosecuted and convicted. As were numerous others in cases where police really did wrong. What more do you want re accountability? I think #BLMers want to see police officers in prison no matter if they did anything wrong.

Remember when someone took a knee and people complained?

You mean that spoiled millionaire jock? First of all it's tacky to protest while on the clock. You and I could not do it - why should professional jocks?
Second, Kaep is an anti-police extremist who advocates for abolition of police and prisons.
Colin Kaepernick calls for abolishing police and prisons in new essay

Nothing was done,

What in particular do you believe should have been done?

now people are burning and stealing stuff and you and I are here complaining about that.

Well #BLMers were burning and stealing since 2014, long before Kaep's grandstanding. And before 2014 we had LA Riots and the like.
Not that #BLMers even need police shooting a thug as an excuse to riot and loot. A thug killing himself while police are closing in on him is sufficient for them.
Unrest Grows In Downtown Minneapolis After Police Say Murder Suspect Killed Himself On Nicollet Mall

What do you think would be next if law enforcement continues to do half their job? For example, they go into that occupied zone with force, kill a few people and say "we feared for our lives" sprinkled crack on them then took a paid vacation. Do you think it will just be more looting and rioting we complain about?

I am not advocating planting evidence. But rioters, looters etc. need to be arrested and, most importantly, prosecuted. Arrests don't do much good if fauxgressive DAs refuse to prosecute. And of course, if rioters attack police, lethal force against them might be warranted.

The police definitely need to get in there and regain order however they also need to get the community's trust back. Right now the community trusts and supports the "wrong people" more than the police and to me that is entirely the police's fault.

I do not think the few hundred rioters represent "the community".

 

[Derec]

It's statements like this that allow intimate moments between one's face and one's palm.

There isn't much of a correlation between a shooting being unjustified and #BLMers getting upset over it. Some questionable shootings result in crickets, while pretty clear cut ones result in riots.

 

[Toni]

What is (or is not) a "coincidence"?

That BLM and left wing “protests” often end in violence and property destruction. Only a coincidence.

Like the 1/6 Capitol insurrection?

Like the person who deliberately drove his car into protesters in St Paul/Minneapolis, Seattle, So many it's hard to keep up. More than 104 people have been struck and sometimes killed by cars driving into protesters---as of A YEAR AGO.(https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...amming-attacks-66-us-since-may-27/5397700002/)

Who knows how many over the past year. Is that the kind of violence you're talking about?

 

[Trausti]

What is (or is not) a "coincidence"?

That BLM and left wing “protests” often end in violence and property destruction. Only a coincidence.

Like the 1/6 Capitol insurrection?

Like the person who deliberately drove his car into protesters in St Paul/Minneapolis, Seattle, So many it's hard to keep up. More than 104 people have been struck and sometimes killed by cars driving into protesters---as of A YEAR AGO.(https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...amming-attacks-66-us-since-may-27/5397700002/)

Who knows how many over the past year. Is that the kind of violence you're talking about?

There’s a reason there are laws against walking on or blocking roads. Hello?

 

[Toni]

Like the 1/6 Capitol insurrection?

Like the person who deliberately drove his car into protesters in St Paul/Minneapolis, Seattle, So many it's hard to keep up. More than 104 people have been struck and sometimes killed by cars driving into protesters---as of A YEAR AGO.(https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...amming-attacks-66-us-since-may-27/5397700002/)

Who knows how many over the past year. Is that the kind of violence you're talking about?

There’s a reason there are laws against walking on or blocking roads. Hello?

It is ALWAYS illegal to drive your motor vehicle into another person. ALWAYS.

 

[Trausti]

Like the 1/6 Capitol insurrection?

Like the person who deliberately drove his car into protesters in St Paul/Minneapolis, Seattle, So many it's hard to keep up. More than 104 people have been struck and sometimes killed by cars driving into protesters---as of A YEAR AGO.(https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...amming-attacks-66-us-since-may-27/5397700002/)

Who knows how many over the past year. Is that the kind of violence you're talking about?

There’s a reason there are laws against walking on or blocking roads. Hello?

It is ALWAYS illegal to drive your motor vehicle into another person. ALWAYS.

Did you tell your kids it was okay to play on the street/highway? If not, why not?

 

[Toni]

It is ALWAYS illegal to drive your motor vehicle into another person. ALWAYS.

Did you tell your kids it was okay to play on the street/highway? If not, why not?

Did you pass your drivers test ( written form)?

 

[fromderinside]

Did you pass your drivers test ( written form)?

Thanks for asking.

What's a written drivers test? My test was by computer. I live in Oregon. The last 'written'/computer test was in 2003. We renew every nine years given we haven't violated criminal law. At the time of renewal all we get is an eye test.

All of my tickets in Oregon have been for speeding on interstate highways at over 70 mph. Oh how I love English measures. More even than Brits it seems.

-nuf?

The Wandering Mind.

 

[Toni]

Did you pass your drivers test ( written form)?

What's a written drivers test? My test was by computer. I live in Oregon. The last 'written'/computer test was in 2003. We renew every nine years given we haven't violated criminal law. At the time of renewal all we get is an eye test. All of my tickets in Oregon have been for speeding on interstate highways at over 70 mph. Oh how I love English measures. More even than Brits it seems.

Really. You wrote or indicated the answers to your drivers test on a computer but that’s not a ‘written’ test? You don’t need to know basic traffic laws? Basic safety? You aren’t tested on this knowledge? In some written form that is displayed and answered on a computer screen? Just as I am writing my response to you now? Just as we read what others have written? Even though it’s been entered and is currently displayed on some form of computer screen?

 

[Trausti]

It is ALWAYS illegal to drive your motor vehicle into another person. ALWAYS.

Did you tell your kids it was okay to play on the street/highway? If not, why not?

Did you pass your drivers test ( written form)?

You act as if drivers intentionally hit people. The guy in Minneapolis was drunk. There’s a reason it’s illegal to block roads or walk on highways. It’s dangerous to you and other people. If you engage in inherently dangerous activity and get hurt, that’s on you.

 

[Toni]

Did you pass your drivers test ( written form)?

You act as if drivers intentionally hit people. The guy in Minneapolis was drunk. There’s a reason it’s illegal to block roads or walk on highways. It’s dangerous to you and other people. If you engage in inherently dangerous activity and get hurt, that’s on you.

Did you miss the part about more that 100 people being hit by people deliberately driving into crowds as of June 2020???

Are you aware that such incidents happen during protests with permits???

You recognize that it’s illegal to run people down. Right?

 

[Trausti]

Did you pass your drivers test ( written form)?

You act as if drivers intentionally hit people. The guy in Minneapolis was drunk. There’s a reason it’s illegal to block roads or walk on highways. It’s dangerous to you and other people. If you engage in inherently dangerous activity and get hurt, that’s on you.

Did you miss the part about more that 100 people being hit by people deliberately driving into crowds as of June 2020???

Are you aware that such incidents happen during protests with permits???

You recognize that it’s illegal to run people down. Right?

You mean when they used their bikes to block traffic and drivers get pissed off? WTF do you expect? If you don’t give a shit about other people, why should they give a shit about you?

 

[Toni]

Did you miss the part about more that 100 people being hit by people deliberately driving into crowds as of June 2020???

Are you aware that such incidents happen during protests with permits???

You recognize that it’s illegal to run people down. Right?

You mean when they used their bikes to block traffic and drivers get pissed off? WTF do you expect? If you don’t give a shit about other people, why should they give a shit about you?

So, no, you don’t think it’s wrong to kill people who piss you off.

And you have no understanding that people protest because they care about other people.

Got it.