No, I do not want to shy away from such phrases at all. I will not give up on moral language just because.
As for your "set of ethics and morals", I do not know what you mean exactly. But I'm talking about morality,
If you think morality has a universal standard, I have some bad news for you. In fact it's pretty subjective as fuck.
and the events surrounding a choice - or rather, the information about surrounding events available to the chooser - are generally important, sure.
You seem to be awfully dismissive of the event that led to the burning of said churches.
That obviously does not follow. Again, blaming people who are not guilty is an issue. Destroying the churches other people are using - people who are not guilty of the crimes for which the perpetrators want revenge - is an issue. And so on. And that has nothing to do with whether the Catholic Church is a person.
Guilt, accountability and responsibility are three very different things. The Catholic Church should be held accountable for their actions. As the leader of the Catholic Church, the Pope is responsible for what the church does. Pope Francis specifically isn't guilty of murdering children and putting them in a mass grave. The Catholic Church's handling of this entire atrocity is sub par. It is unsurprising this has lead to outrage.
None of those sentences are mutually exclusive.
Patooka said:
It's worth pointing out that going by the Catholic Church's record, there is a near certainty that they did some pretty horrific shit to the children who didn't die as well. That's how fucked up the situation is. Child abuse is being swept under the carpet because mass graves are such a distraction.
Okay, so:
1. Who did the horrific shit? Those are guilty of choosing to do the horrific shit.
2. Who chose to cover it up? Those are guilty of choosing to covering it up.
I agree 100%
I will point out that there is no good reason to believe, on the basis of the available evidence, that the parishioners and priests of the burned and vandalized churches usually are not involved in any of the above. In fact, for all the claims I haven't even seen evidence that Francis is involved in the cover up of this. But if you have good evidence that he is, sure blame him.
You've never been in charge of anything have you? If you take a leadership role in an organization you are accountable for what that organization does. The measure and extent of accountability varies but that doesn't make it any less real. As Pope Francis is in charge, he is very much responsible for what he Catholic Church collectively does.
You do know that the Democrats are the party of slavery and racism, right?
Yes. They were. A hundred and sixty years ago. Slavery is part of the Democrat's history, there is no doubt. I would also argue that the Democrat Party has made substantial effort to move away from what the Democrats
were to the party that it is
today. Your comparison is flawed because a) the events in Canada are much, much more recent and b)the Catholic Church has adopted of policy of coverups and obfuscation rather than addressing the issues.
That Republicans like Abraham Lincoln formed a political party in opposition to Democratic Party values? Well into the 1960's Dixiecrats remained the party of segregation and racism?
Again I would point out then is not now and yes - then people like George McGovern were Democrats. The party has changed significantly since then. As an institution, the Catholic Church has not.
Are Democrats responsible for all that racism, lynching, red-lining and such?
Tom
What they caused, absolutely. To go back to the topic at hand, the Catholic Church has made no effort to identify the children, have made no effort to inform the families of said children and have made no effort finding out who in their organisation was responsible for such acts and who was responsible for covering it up (and there is a very real chance such people are alive today as the school did not close until the late 90s). If Democrats tried to actively bury (sorry, no pun intended) despicable parts of its history, I'd call them out on that as well.