Trump Claims Republicans are "the majority"

[T.G.G. Moogly]

The majority of idiots.

Maybe he likes Bolshevik. Literally means one of the majority. The main strategy of the Bolsheviks was to recruit peasants and uneducated workers to join their "revolution." They never were the majority except only in name.

Trumpeviks.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'm wondering idly if Trump can spell 'idiot'.

I've got $20 that his response will be, "Person. Man. Woman. Camera. TV".

I just noticed something about this list. Not only do the words go together, but the order is most "natural." (Shuffle it to TV, Woman, Camera, Person, Man and I think it would be harder. TV, Cricket, Camera, April, Man would be harder still.)

Is it possible the examiner chose an easy list to suck up to the CinC? Or that the list that CinC repeated publicly was not in the tested order?

I don't think order matters.

 

[Elixir]

I've got $20 that his response will be, "Person. Man. Woman. Camera. TV".

I just noticed something about this list. Not only do the words go together, but the order is most "natural." (Shuffle it to TV, Woman, Camera, Person, Man and I think it would be harder. TV, Cricket, Camera, April, Man would be harder still.)

Is it possible the examiner chose an easy list to suck up to the CinC? Or that the list that CinC repeated publicly was not in the tested order?

I don't think order matters.

Oh, I am sure it does in this case. At least 20 of patooka's dollars worth!

When Trump bragged about remembering those words, he was not remembering the very words that were in the test. In his typical manner he spouted the first five words he could think of, and of course what came out was a ticker tape of Trump's tiny mind. At any given moment, Trump is fixated on attacking another person, usually a woman. If not, then a man. In either event, he wants a camera and hopes it is on TV.

The words that are offered in that test are purposely not co-related and are certainly not a list of the very things that preoccupy Trump's petty little mind.
"Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV" (the order trump spouted - pay up, patooka!) sounds like an idiot's version of the follow-on word game in our humor forum. More likely he was asked to remember something like "forest, calcium, outlet, volume, strawberry" - and there's a good chance he forgot one or two of them and failed the test, given his insistence that he scored incredibly highly.

(In fact a perfect score is what is expected from that test and anything less would be grounds to suspect dementia in an otherwise normally functioning individual).

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I don't think order matters.

Oh, I am sure it does in this case. At least 20 of patooka's dollars worth!

When Trump bragged about remembering those words, he was not remembering the very words that were in the test. In his typical manner he spouted the first five words he could think of, and of course what came out was a ticker tape of Trump's tiny mind. At any given moment, Trump is fixated on attacking another person, usually a woman. If not, then a man. In either event, he wants a camera and hopes it is on TV.

The words that are offered in that test are purposely not co-related and are certainly not a list of the very things that preoccupy Trump's petty little mind.
"Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV" (the order trump spouted - pay up, patooka!) sounds like an idiot's version of the follow-on word game in our humor forum. More likely he was asked to remember something like "forest, calcium, outlet, volume, strawberry" - and there's a good chance he forgot one or two of them and failed the test, given his insistence that he scored incredibly highly.

(In fact a perfect score is what is expected from that test and anything less would be grounds to suspect dementia in an otherwise normally functioning individual).

Good point. I'd never thought about it whether the list was right or not.

 

[Patooka]

The words that are offered in that test are purposely not co-related and are certainly not a list of the very things that preoccupy Trump's petty little mind.

I'm not sure you're correct here. If it were five things that preoccupy Trump the list would be, "Me, Me, Ivanka, Antifa, Election".

 

[Keith&Co.]

The words that are offered in that test are purposely not co-related and are certainly not a list of the very things that preoccupy Trump's petty little mind.

I'm not sure you're correct here. If it were five things that preoccupy Trump the list would be, "Me, Me, Ivanka, Antifa, Election".

And antifa and the election are only on the list for the way they interfere with everyone ELSE being preoccupied with Me, Me, Me.

 

[barbos]

The majority of idiots.

Maybe he likes Bolshevik. Literally means one of the majority. The main strategy of the Bolsheviks was to recruit peasants and uneducated workers to join their "revolution." They never were the majority except only in name.

Trumpeviks.

Bolsheviks were called that because they were a majority during party split. It's nothing more than a meaningless designation.

 

[Swammerdami]

I don't think order matters [in the Montreal Cognitive Assessment Test for Dementia].

You're right. I really thought I'd read about an extra point for getting the order right; I think there's some flexibility: doctors may just use the "official" test as a guide.

In any event, the official(?) name of the test suggests Trump should not be proud he was given the test at all!

Overall, if you earn 26 to 30 points on the MoCA, you are considered to have normal cognitive abilities (the average score for a control group of non-impaired people taking the test is 27.2). President Trump says he earned a perfect 30 points, which is uncommon. Usually only eight out of 90 people (with an average age of 73) score this highly, according to Dr. Nasreddine, MoCA Test, Inc.

A score of 19 to 25 indicates mild cognitive impairment. Scores of between 11 and 21 suggest mild Alzheimer's disease. There is some overlap between this type of dementia and mild cognitive impairment, reflecting the difficulty in using a single test to make this type of diagnosis.

Strictly speaking, a score of 31 is possible. High-school dropouts are given +1 extra as compensation.

 

[marc]

The words that are offered in that test are purposely not co-related and are certainly not a list of the very things that preoccupy Trump's petty little mind.

I'm not sure you're correct here. If it were five things that preoccupy Trump the list would be, "Me, Me, Ivanka, Antifa, Election".

I always thought he wasn't repeating the words from the test, instead drawing from what was in front of him. Man (interviewing him), Woman (someone off camera), Camera (the thing pointed at him), TV (hey, I'm on TV!)

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

The majority of idiots.

Maybe he likes Bolshevik. Literally means one of the majority. The main strategy of the Bolsheviks was to recruit peasants and uneducated workers to join their "revolution." They never were the majority except only in name.

Trumpeviks.

Bolsheviks were called that because they were a majority during party split. It's nothing more than a meaningless designation.

Then they should have called themselves the Meaningless Designation Party.

I like the word Trumpnik. It's perfectly explanatory. The Trumpnik Party. It works.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Gallup polling - Part affiliation

2021 Jun 1‑18

Republican - 24%
Independent - 44%
Democratic - 30%

Not exactly a majority, now is it? And Independents seem to be more democratic leaning than Republican.

 

[LoAmmo]

Gallup polling - Part affiliation

2021 Jun 1‑18

Republican - 24%
Independent - 44%
Democratic - 30%

Not exactly a majority, now is it? And Independents seem to be more democratic leaning than Republican.

I think there are far fewer "true" Independents (Not to pull a "No True Scotsman" fallacy) than is implied in affiliation polls like the above.

There's almost zero "centrist" ground left for Conservatives to cling to; those Righties who in ordinary circumstances would prefer to live there. Trump has codified this extremism-or-nothing mindset in which you're either a Fake News, Climate-Change-Denying, Stolen Election bleach-drinker, or you're not really in the GOP tent. The Left has much more middle ground open, and none of that same "stigma" attached to standing in it.

When I see "Independent" in a poll like this, I tend not to imagine a truly open/undecided/impartial voter, who's equally likely to vote for any Republican as any Democrat, (although some of those obviously exist.) I just don't think THOSE people are anything close to being 44% of the electorate, even though these percentages come from self-identification as such.

I think *some* non-zero percent of those "Independents" are Conservatives who were (or are) somewhat embarrassed by Trump, and express some buyer's remorse by claiming Independent rather than fly a flag that Trump has highjacked. I similarly think some percentage are Liberals who are a bit turned off by the extremism of the AOC/Squad wing of the Democratic Party, and find the center a way to temper their support of that.

And surely some are simply so turned off by the whole shit show of our obviously dysfunctional, broken government that they can't in good conscience line up in either of its two branches.

I just don't believe that the biggest chunk of voters truly has no particular dog in this hunt.

 

[crazyfingers]

Gallup polling - Part affiliation

2021 Jun 1‑18

Republican - 24%
Independent - 44%
Democratic - 30%

Not exactly a majority, now is it? And Independents seem to be more democratic leaning than Republican.

I think there are far fewer "true" Independents (Not to pull a "No True Scotsman" fallacy) than is implied in affiliation polls like the above.

There's almost zero "centrist" ground left for Conservatives to cling to; those Righties who in ordinary circumstances would prefer to live there. Trump has codified this extremism-or-nothing mindset in which you're either a Fake News, Climate-Change-Denying, Stolen Election bleach-drinker, or you're not really in the GOP tent. The Left has much more middle ground open, and none of that same "stigma" attached to standing in it.

When I see "Independent" in a poll like this, I tend not to imagine a truly open/undecided/impartial voter, who's equally likely to vote for any Republican as any Democrat, (although some of those obviously exist.) I just don't think THOSE people are anything close to being 44% of the electorate, even though these percentages come from self-identification as such.

I think *some* non-zero percent of those "Independents" are Conservatives who were (or are) somewhat embarrassed by Trump, and express some buyer's remorse by claiming Independent rather than fly a flag that Trump has highjacked. I similarly think some percentage are Liberals who are a bit turned off by the extremism of the AOC/Squad wing of the Democratic Party, and find the center a way to temper their support of that.

And surely some are simply so turned off by the whole shit show of our obviously dysfunctional, broken government that they can't in good conscience line up in either of its two branches.

I just don't believe that the biggest chunk of voters truly has no particular dog in this hunt.

Independents are for sure a mixed back but a few posts up I provided some charts that combine Democrat leaning independents and Republican leaning independents. I think that it provides a better though not perfect picture.

I'm an independent but I'm more liberal than the Democratic party is. But I suppose that makes me Democratic leaning, from the outside as there is no chance in hell I'd ever vote for a Republican. Democrats are too conservative for me but it's vote for the Democrat or not vote at all. Not voting at all only helps the Republicans.