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Chargers of the past 10 year would have lost that game. They could be for real this year, but they are living on the edge relying on 4th down conversions. Herbert has been a perfect 8 for 8, but so many have been in risky spots where a miss would have been a disaster.
 
Yesterday, my Vikings resorted to playing to avoid losing, they almost lost. Instead of actually trying to move the ball and get a game ending first down, they ran and fumbled. The Lions recovered. A couple of plays later they scored a TD. Instead of going for the game tying PAT, they went for 2 and made it. The Vikings were down a point with 37 seconds left. They got lucky and kicked a field goal to win.

The Bengals came from behind against the Packers to force the game into OT. They were driving with 2 minutes left in OT and had a first down. Instead of trying to get into better field position (or score a TD or even run out the clock a bit), they went for the field goal and missed. The Packers had 2 minutes to move down the field and score, which they did.

Playing it safe backfired in both games. One team got lucky, but the Vikes deserved to lose.
 
laughing dog said:
Yesterday, my Vikings resorted to playing to avoid losing, they almost lost. Instead of actually trying to move the ball and get a game ending first down, they ran and fumbled. The Lions recovered. A couple of plays later they scored a TD. Instead of going for the game tying PAT, they went for 2 and made it. The Vikings were down a point with 37 seconds left. They got lucky and kicked a field goal to win.

The Bengals came from behind against the Packers to force the game into OT. They were driving with 2 minutes left in OT and had a first down. Instead of trying to get into better field position (or score a TD or even run out the clock a bit), they went for the field goal and missed. The Packers had 2 minutes to move down the field and score, which they did.

Playing it safe backfired in both games. One team got lucky, but the Vikes deserved to lose.
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Ain't that how it is? The Broncos were conservative, a little unlucky and quite lackluster until they were down 6-24 to the Steelers in the 4th quarter. Then they suddenly started letting it hang out, converting 4th downs, making plays and came within two yards and a 2 point conversion of tying it up ... they failed, but looked like a whole other team when they were desperate.
 
laughing dog said:
Yesterday, my Vikings resorted to playing to avoid losing, they almost lost. Instead of actually trying to move the ball and get a game ending first down, they ran and fumbled. The Lions recovered. A couple of plays later they scored a TD. Instead of going for the game tying PAT, they went for 2 and made it. The Vikings were down a point with 37 seconds left. They got lucky and kicked a field goal to win.

The Bengals came from behind against the Packers to force the game into OT. They were driving with 2 minutes left in OT and had a first down. Instead of trying to get into better field position (or score a TD or even run out the clock a bit), they went for the field goal and missed. The Packers had 2 minutes to move down the field and score, which they did.

Playing it safe backfired in both games. One team got lucky, but the Vikes deserved to lose.
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Last 7 drives from Bengals-Packers:

1) Missed field goal
2) Missed field goal
3) Missed field goal
4) Interception
5) Missed field goal
6) Missed field goal
7) Field goal

Here is the official decision tree for coaches:

Is your kicker Justin Tucker?
.........|.................|
.......yes..............no
.........|.................|
...do kicks......never do kicks
 
I guess the Las Vegas, Raiders, can't handle a little fag talk amongst themselves.
 
...but... but... but.... he didn't kneel. You shouldn't get fired unless you kneel.
 
I turned off the Colts-Ravens game after the Colts took a 22-3 lead, following a disastrous Lamar Jackson fumble on the Colts' 1-yard-line. Lamar then proceeded to carve them up like a Thanksgiving turkey, with several milestones:

  • an NFL record for the highest completion percentage by any QB who had 40 or more passing attempts (there have been over 4,000 instances of a QB throwing 40 or more times)
  • the only QB in history with over 400 yards passing and a completion % above 85%
  • a Ravens record for passing yardage

He also ran for 50 yards. I was absolutely stunned when I saw the score this morning. The defense looked like a high school team, and the offense hadn't been much better, until they let Jackson take control. But some people will still call him a running back who throws. LOL.
 
hurtinbuckaroo said:
I turned off the Colts-Ravens game after the Colts took a 22-3 lead, following a disastrous Lamar Jackson fumble on the Colts' 1-yard-line. Lamar then proceeded to carve them up like a Thanksgiving turkey, with several milestones:

  • an NFL record for the highest completion percentage by any QB who had 40 or more passing attempts (there have been over 4,000 instances of a QB throwing 40 or more times)
  • the only QB in history with over 400 yards passing and a completion % above 85%
  • a Ravens record for passing yardage

He also ran for 50 yards. I was absolutely stunned when I saw the score this morning. The defense looked like a high school team, and the offense hadn't been much better, until they let Jackson take control. But some people will still call him a running back who throws. LOL.
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There are lots of great young QBs in the game today. Love Herbert. Love watching the Chargers. Burrows is great also. Jackson, while different, is fun to watch.
 
I hope the Bengals have improved their offensive line; they almost got Burrow killed last year. Herbert, Mahomes, Murray, Allen, and Jackson, all 26 or younger. Then there’s Dorian Gray in Tampa.
 
hurtinbuckaroo said:
I hope the Bengals have improved their offensive line; they almost got Burrow killed last year. Herbert, Mahomes, Murray, Allen, and Jackson, all 26 or younger. Then there’s Dorian Gray in Tampa.
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Agreed. He's unbelievable. However, one of his secrets is that football is a team sport. And he's always been willing to take a team friendly salary. While never the highest paid, this has allowed Brady to have an extra great lineman; and an extra great defensive teammate or two. Superstars like Rodgers and Russel Wilson complain about not having as many supporting players around them; but they always insist on being the highest paid. It appears that Mahomes and Allen are open to restructuring their contracts to ease the salary cap and add players.
 
Harry Bosch said:
hurtinbuckaroo said:
I turned off the Colts-Ravens game after the Colts took a 22-3 lead, following a disastrous Lamar Jackson fumble on the Colts' 1-yard-line. Lamar then proceeded to carve them up like a Thanksgiving turkey, with several milestones:

  • an NFL record for the highest completion percentage by any QB who had 40 or more passing attempts (there have been over 4,000 instances of a QB throwing 40 or more times)
  • the only QB in history with over 400 yards passing and a completion % above 85%
  • a Ravens record for passing yardage

He also ran for 50 yards. I was absolutely stunned when I saw the score this morning. The defense looked like a high school team, and the offense hadn't been much better, until they let Jackson take control. But some people will still call him a running back who throws. LOL.
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There are lots of great young QBs in the game today. Love Herbert. Love watching the Chargers. Burrows is great also. Jackson, while different, is fun to watch.
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Yeah, NFL has a good future in quarterbacks. Usually only see 3 or 4 elite passers going at a time, but there could be a half of dozen soon.

Oh man, just saw that Chargers face Ravens this week. Both have been having wild finishes, could break the scoreboard in 4th. The Ravens are 2.5 point betting favorites, but maybe should be more since Chargers have been giving up a ton of yards rushing. Ravens have that problem with passing defense, so who knows.
 
Ravens run game has been surprisingly weak, with three replacement running backs, three offensive linemen hurt, and Lamar clearly not 100% when running. And I have no idea what’s going on with the defense. But the passing game has taken a quantum leap, and their 1st round pick wide receiver will be playing his first game tomorrow. I really don’t know what to expect. I just know the Chargers are very good in all parts of the game.
 
Chargers gave up another ton of yards rushing, but weren't much better against the pass. Herbert finally missed on fourth down and it did cost them, but not really a deciding factor, cuz he was missing on every other down too, uncharacteristically off target all game. And he barely even attempted any long throws. But missing an extra point was very characteristic of them for the season.

Ravens D looked like the one from 20 years ago. Jackson threw well even with 2 picks From the times I've watched him, a big factor against him is his receivers. Other than Andrews, nobody established you can depend on to pull down the ball. I think it's more on the receivers than him whether they can succeed.

Oh and thanks for nothing, Cleveland.
 
blastula said:
Oh and thanks for nothing, Cleveland.
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Browns have a decision to make in the off- season: whether to give Mayfield the big contract. He’s definitely not worth it, but he’s also the best QB the “new” Browns have had. I expect them to defer until 2023 and just pay his 5th-year contract $ for 2022.
 
An image that me makes me laugh on several levels, but too arcane for that thread.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/dkm14/status/1450158120966053892[/TWEET]
 
Here’s the full list of the 31 Browns starting quarterbacks since they re-entered the NFL in 1999: Tim Couch, Ty Detmer, Doug Pederson, Spergon Wynn, Kelly Holcomb, Jeff Garcia, Luke McCown, Trent Dilfer, Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson, Ken Dorsey, Brady Quinn, Bruce Gradkowski, Colt McCoy, Jake Delhomme, Seneca Wallace, Brandon Weeden, Thaddeus Lewis, Jason Campbell, Brian Hoyer, Johnny Manziel, Connor Shaw, Josh McCown, Austin Davis, Robert Griffin III, Cody Kessler, DeShone Kizer, Kevin Hogan, Tyrod Taylor, Baker Mayfield, Case Keenum (as of tonight).
 
blastula said:
An image that me makes me laugh on several levels, but too arcane for that thread.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/dkm14/status/1450158120966053892[/TWEET]
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Now that's funny. Calling a Hall of Famer (one of only 8 tight ends) and 3-time Super Bowl champion a "washed up wanna be". And yeah, that was a boneheaded play.
 
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