Ilhan Omar vs. Colorism

[Metaphor]

Do you want to make it harder for men and women to lighten their skin?

I'm not AA but I want to make it harder for dangerous products to make their way into the hands of insecure customers.

Additionally, and much, much, much harder to achieve: I'd like people to learn to accept their skin tones and for society to stop all of the insanity listed in AA's post.

I have nothing against dangerous products being regulated. I have something against people outlawing products that whiten skin.

I have freckled arms and I want to lighten the freckles. Would my pursuit of skin-whitening products meet with your moral approval? Even if it didn't, why should your preferences be for everyone else?

 

[Metaphor]

No idea why it is relevant whether I am called 'dude' or 'ma'am' when I buy skin-lightenging products for vitiligo, but you do you, luv.

FWIW, my friends with vitiligo use makeup to darken their skin to match the portion of their skin that is not affected.

Some newer evidence suggests that the affected areas are not more susceptible to skin cancer, but if I were your mother (or you) I'd be very dedicated about sunblock.

My mother has not used either makeup or skin-lightening cream to disguise the vitiligo. But if I got it, I would find it embarrassing and I would attempt to (depending on the amount of spread) whiten unaffected patches to match the affected patches. I think I should be free to do so.

 

[none]

Do you want to make it harder for men and women to lighten their skin?

I'm not AA but I want to make it harder for dangerous products to make their way into the hands of insecure customers.

Additionally, and much, much, much harder to achieve: I'd like people to learn to accept their skin tones and for society to stop all of the insanity listed in AA's post.

I have nothing against dangerous products being regulated. I have something against people outlawing products that whiten skin.

I have freckled arms and I want to lighten the freckles. Would my pursuit of skin-whitening products meet with your moral approval? Even if it didn't, why should your preferences be for everyone else?

You'd have to have credentials.

 

[Toni]

No idea why it is relevant whether I am called 'dude' or 'ma'am' when I buy skin-lightenging products for vitiligo, but you do you, luv.

FWIW, my friends with vitiligo use makeup to darken their skin to match the portion of their skin that is not affected.

Some newer evidence suggests that the affected areas are not more susceptible to skin cancer, but if I were your mother (or you) I'd be very dedicated about sunblock.

My mother has not used either makeup or skin-lightening cream to disguise the vitiligo. But if I got it, I would find it embarrassing and I would attempt to (depending on the amount of spread) whiten unaffected patches to match the affected patches. I think I should be free to do so.

Someone is advocating for outlawing any product that would lighten skin? I don't think so. I think people are advocating that dangerous products already on the market be outlawed and not allowed in the country---and that people learn to accept and appreciate their skin tone.

Beauty tip: Staying out of the sun and applying lemon juice will lighten freckles. There are a number of beauty products on the market in the US to reduce the appearance of melasma. I would assume that they would also be effective for freckles. In any case, avoiding sun exposure and using a good sunscreen will be very helpful.

 

[thebeave]

My mother has not used either makeup or skin-lightening cream to disguise the vitiligo. But if I got it, I would find it embarrassing and I would attempt to (depending on the amount of spread) whiten unaffected patches to match the affected patches. I think I should be free to do so.

Someone is advocating for outlawing any product that would lighten skin? I don't think so. I think people are advocating that dangerous products already on the market be outlawed and not allowed in the country---and that people learn to accept and appreciate their skin tone.

Beauty tip: Staying out of the sun and applying lemon juice will lighten freckles. There are a number of beauty products on the market in the US to reduce the appearance of melasma. I would assume that they would also be effective for freckles. In any case, avoiding sun exposure and using a good sunscreen will be very helpful.

Except for white people, of course.

 

[Toni]

My mother has not used either makeup or skin-lightening cream to disguise the vitiligo. But if I got it, I would find it embarrassing and I would attempt to (depending on the amount of spread) whiten unaffected patches to match the affected patches. I think I should be free to do so.

Someone is advocating for outlawing any product that would lighten skin? I don't think so. I think people are advocating that dangerous products already on the market be outlawed and not allowed in the country---and that people learn to accept and appreciate their skin tone.

Beauty tip: Staying out of the sun and applying lemon juice will lighten freckles. There are a number of beauty products on the market in the US to reduce the appearance of melasma. I would assume that they would also be effective for freckles. In any case, avoiding sun exposure and using a good sunscreen will be very helpful.

Except for white people, of course.

???

Please don’t project your own biases onto me.

 

[thebeave]

Except for white people, of course.

???

Please don’t project your own biases onto me.

You clearly have not been paying attention in the last few years.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It is customary for background as to the necessity of legislation being proposed be given, as well as background on who is most affected. Product safety is one issue but so is its target consumers, in this case, persons, especially women of color, are the major group experiencing negative effects from these products.

Even today, women of color are negatively impacted by racial stereotypes that favor light skin over dark skin, straighter hair over textured hair. These perceptions affect children from cradle throughout life, with negative impacts in school, employment, social relationships and medical care and policing, to name a few. Not only is product safety a legitimate concern of government but so is racism and discrimination in American society.

Because our society is still very largely segregated, it is unlikely that most legislators (usually white and male and often older, having grown up when such things were never considered) will be aware of either the safety or the social issues.

Skin-whitening products do not cause colourism; colourism caused skin-whitening products. Neither did big bad white people cause colourism. White skin was prized in Japanese society over a thousand years ago.

The point is that banning, or making harder to get, products that whiten skin will not reduce colourism. It will merely make life slightly more miserable for people who want to lighten their skin.

Your first sentence is irrelevant to anything I wrote.

The rest of it shows a considerable lack of understanding of cause/effect or social pressures within various groups, particularly (but not limited to) females.

So you know better than they do what's good for them and want to deny them the choice. Sounds very right wing.

 

[Toni]

Your first sentence is irrelevant to anything I wrote.

The rest of it shows a considerable lack of understanding of cause/effect or social pressures within various groups, particularly (but not limited to) females.

So you know better than they do what's good for them and want to deny them the choice. Sounds very right wing.

Right wing is allowing companies to profit even if their products cause grave harm. I’m against that.

I’d also like to see social change that would help people to see the beauty in their natural skin color, hair, etc.

That doesn’t seem conservative to me, but you’d be an expert on that.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Your first sentence is irrelevant to anything I wrote.

The rest of it shows a considerable lack of understanding of cause/effect or social pressures within various groups, particularly (but not limited to) females.

So you know better than they do what's good for them and want to deny them the choice. Sounds very right wing.

Right wing is allowing companies to profit even if their products cause grave harm. I’m against that.

I’d also like to see social change that would help people to see the beauty in their natural skin color, hair, etc.

That doesn’t seem conservative to me, but you’d be an expert on that.

Right wing is about deciding for others, left wing is about everyone gets to make their own choice.

 

[Metaphor]

Right wing is allowing companies to profit even if their products cause grave harm. I’m against that.

I’d also like to see social change that would help people to see the beauty in their natural skin color, hair, etc.

That doesn’t seem conservative to me, but you’d be an expert on that.

Right wing is about deciding for others, left wing is about everyone gets to make their own choice.

You are fucking kidding.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Right wing is allowing companies to profit even if their products cause grave harm. I’m against that.

I’d also like to see social change that would help people to see the beauty in their natural skin color, hair, etc.

That doesn’t seem conservative to me, but you’d be an expert on that.

Right wing is about deciding for others, left wing is about everyone gets to make their own choice.

You are fucking kidding.

The right wing is all about the "freedom" to do what the right wing thinks is proper. They're very intolerant of other positions.

 

[Metaphor]

You are fucking kidding.

The right wing is all about the "freedom" to do what the right wing thinks is proper. They're very intolerant of other positions.

Yeah, by the 'are you fucking kidding', I mean: you think the left wing is about people 'making their own choice'.

You must be fucking kidding.

 

[Swammerdami]

I knew before I clicked on this thread that the mere mention of Ilhan Omar would be triggering for some, but damn people. It's not like the OP held her up as some sort of paragon of virtue, get a grip.

I wasn't sure what sort of "grip" you were speaking of, so I Googled and this NSFW contraption turned up. PLEASE people; it is against TOU to wish ill on fellow TFTers.

 

[Toni]

Right wing is allowing companies to profit even if their products cause grave harm. I’m against that.

I’d also like to see social change that would help people to see the beauty in their natural skin color, hair, etc.

That doesn’t seem conservative to me, but you’d be an expert on that.

Right wing is about deciding for others, left wing is about everyone gets to make their own choice.

I don't care about wings.

I care about products available to markets being safe and not causing harm to those who purchase them or to the environment. In the US, we regulate many products to ensure product safety. So called face whitening creams and lotions should meet the same safety standards as other skin care products and cosmetics.

 

[KeepTalking]

I knew before I clicked on this thread that the mere mention of Ilhan Omar would be triggering for some, but damn people. It's not like the OP held her up as some sort of paragon of virtue, get a grip.

I wasn't sure what sort of "grip" you were speaking of, so I Googled and this NSFW contraption turned up. PLEASE people; it is against TOU to wish ill on fellow TFTers.

Just in case you actually did have to look it up, around here (the American Midwest) it is short for "get a grip on reality".

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You are fucking kidding.

The right wing is all about the "freedom" to do what the right wing thinks is proper. They're very intolerant of other positions.

Yeah, by the 'are you fucking kidding', I mean: you think the left wing is about people 'making their own choice'.

You must be fucking kidding.

The left says not to attack people for making choices other than what you would have made.

The right attacks people for not being "normal" by their standards.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Right wing is allowing companies to profit even if their products cause grave harm. I’m against that.

I’d also like to see social change that would help people to see the beauty in their natural skin color, hair, etc.

That doesn’t seem conservative to me, but you’d be an expert on that.

Right wing is about deciding for others, left wing is about everyone gets to make their own choice.

I don't care about wings.

I care about products available to markets being safe and not causing harm to those who purchase them or to the environment. In the US, we regulate many products to ensure product safety. So called face whitening creams and lotions should meet the same safety standards as other skin care products and cosmetics.

But you keep going on about women being pressured to lighten their skin. That's a different issue than whether lightening creams are dangerous.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I knew before I clicked on this thread that the mere mention of Ilhan Omar would be triggering for some, but damn people. It's not like the OP held her up as some sort of paragon of virtue, get a grip.

I wasn't sure what sort of "grip" you were speaking of, so I Googled and this NSFW contraption turned up. PLEASE people; it is against TOU to wish ill on fellow TFTers.

Huh? A grip is something to grab to manipulate something, or occasionally the reverse, it grabs something. (Which I guess is the context used in that masochistic contraption.)

 

[Metaphor]

Yeah, by the 'are you fucking kidding', I mean: you think the left wing is about people 'making their own choice'.

You must be fucking kidding.

The left says not to attack people for making choices other than what you would have made.

The right attacks people for not being "normal" by their standards.

Again: you must be fucking kidding.

The left continually attacks people who make choices they don't like, including (but not limited to) leveraging the State against them.