Ilhan Omar vs. Colorism

[Gun Nut]

You really have no clue about me, do you. No one is above mocking to me, I just think it is a pretty shitty thing to mock anyone for the color of their skin, or their choice in partners of legal age.

To be fair, there was a good deal of mocking Trump for his skin color and multiple divorces.
Tom

His skin color was artificial, and by choice. He was orange on fucking purpose (fake tan makeup / dye).
He wasn't so much mocked for being divorced, but for reaching for the Catholic vote while being a divorced porn star fucker... which is a good example of pointing out hypocrisy over whataboutism.

 

[laughing dog]

You really have no clue about me, do you. No one is above mocking to me, I just think it is a pretty shitty thing to mock anyone for the color of their skin, or their choice in partners of legal age.

No mocking for the skin color. But hypocrisy is always funny.

Unless you can provide disinterested evidence that Ms. Omar's choice to divorce her previous husband and to marry her current one was based on their skin color, your apparent hypocrisy is not funny.

 

[TomC]

You really have no clue about me, do you. No one is above mocking to me, I just think it is a pretty shitty thing to mock anyone for the color of their skin, or their choice in partners of legal age.

To be fair, there was a good deal of mocking Trump for his skin color and multiple divorces.
Tom

His skin color was artificial, and by choice.

I understand that. I also understand that artificial skin color is what the OP is about. Omar wants to help stop people feeling that they need to alter their skin color, especially by using carcinogenic chemicals, to achieve goals. I know little about her, but I'm totally with her on that. I also think tats and implants and tanning beds are similarly unattractive and should be discouraged.

He was orange on fucking purpose (fake tan makeup / dye).
He wasn't so much mocked for being divorced, but for reaching for the Catholic vote while being a divorced porn star fucker... which is a good example of pointing out hypocrisy over whataboutism.

And that's my point. She's opposing making dangerous choices for cosmetic purposes. I agree. Mocking her for doing so is stupid. But mockery of public figures is kinda what we do around here, because informed and nuanced opinions about politics and social issues takes a lot more effort.
It's not just the Traustis and Derecs we're talking about.
Tom

 

[KeepTalking]

You really have no clue about me, do you. No one is above mocking to me, I just think it is a pretty shitty thing to mock anyone for the color of their skin, or their choice in partners of legal age.

To be fair, there was a good deal of mocking Trump for his skin color and multiple divorces.
Tom

I didn't think I had to specify natural skin color, as people who wear blackface to parties should rightly be mocked as well.

Also, I think it should be pretty obvious that I was not referring to being a serial adulterer in an ostensibly monogamous relationship when referencing choice of partners.

Of course, I also get that you were not being entirely serious with your response, but it never hurts to clarify.

 

[laughing dog]

And that's my point. She's opposing making dangerous choices for cosmetic purposes. I agree. Mocking her for doing so is stupid.

What dangerous choice for cosmetic purposes is Ms. Omar doing now or advocating that merits mocking?

It's not just the Traustis and Derecs we're talking about.
Tom

That club has more members than you think.

 

[Toni]

His skin color was artificial, and by choice.

I understand that. I also understand that artificial skin color is what the OP is about. Omar wants to help stop people feeling that they need to alter their skin color, especially by using carcinogenic chemicals, to achieve goals. I know little about her, but I'm totally with her on that. I also think tats and implants and tanning beds are similarly unattractive and should be discouraged.

He was orange on fucking purpose (fake tan makeup / dye).
He wasn't so much mocked for being divorced, but for reaching for the Catholic vote while being a divorced porn star fucker... which is a good example of pointing out hypocrisy over whataboutism.

And that's my point. She's opposing making dangerous choices for cosmetic purposes. I agree. Mocking her for doing so is stupid. But mockery of public figures is kinda what we do around here, because informed and nuanced opinions about politics and social issues takes a lot more effort.
It's not just the Traustis and Derecs we're talking about.
Tom

It’s more than opposing cosmetics to alter skin tone to be perceived as somehow ‘better’ whether that means more attractive, higher socioeconomic status, more intelligent, cleaner, smarter, more professional or whatever. That’s the underlying issue: being judged negatively based upon one’s skin tone—and all of the societal consequences that come from that judging. It’s even more insidious because it can come from within the community.

 

[Trausti]

You really have no clue about me, do you. No one is above mocking to me, I just think it is a pretty shitty thing to mock anyone for the color of their skin, or their choice in partners of legal age.

No mocking for the skin color. But hypocrisy is always funny.

Unless you can provide disinterested evidence that Ms. Omar's choice to divorce her previous husband and to marry her current one was based on their skin color, your apparent hypocrisy is not funny.

No. It’s funny. Derec’s kafir joke, too.

 

[Toni]

Unless you can provide disinterested evidence that Ms. Omar's choice to divorce her previous husband and to marry her current one was based on their skin color, your apparent hypocrisy is not funny.

No. It’s funny. Derec’s kafir joke, too.

Of course it is. It hits the conservo-comedy trifecta: Ridiculing a woman, a person of color and a Muslim. Oh, bonus: it’s owning the libs.

 

[Trausti]

Unless you can provide disinterested evidence that Ms. Omar's choice to divorce her previous husband and to marry her current one was based on their skin color, your apparent hypocrisy is not funny.

No. It’s funny. Derec’s kafir joke, too.

Of course it is. It hits the conservo-comedy trifecta: Ridiculing a woman, a person of color and a Muslim. Oh, bonus: it’s owning the libs.

And there’s the Stalin shit.

 

[laughing dog]

Of course it is. It hits the conservo-comedy trifecta: Ridiculing a woman, a person of color and a Muslim. Oh, bonus: it’s owning the libs.

And there’s the Stalin shit.

And there's the KKK shit.

 

[KeepTalking]

And that's my point. She's opposing making dangerous choices for cosmetic purposes. I agree. Mocking her for doing so is stupid.

What dangerous choice for cosmetic purposes is Ms. Omar doing now or advocating that merits mocking?

It isn't that she is making a dangerous choice, or advocating that others do so. She seems to be advocating for removing a dangerous choice, and if that were actually what was being mocked, I wouldn't say a person was being shitty for doing that. Just like I think it is perfectly acceptable to mock one who has made a dangerous cosmetic choice, which would apparently include myself given that I have tattoos.

 

[Toni]

And that's my point. She's opposing making dangerous choices for cosmetic purposes. I agree. Mocking her for doing so is stupid.

What dangerous choice for cosmetic purposes is Ms. Omar doing now or advocating that merits mocking?

It isn't that she is making a dangerous choice, or advocating that others do so. She seems to be advocating for removing a dangerous choice, and if that were actually what was being mocked, I wouldn't say a person was being shitty for doing that. Just like I think it is perfectly acceptable to mock one who has made a dangerous cosmetic choice, which would apparently include myself given that I have tattoos.

Please. She’s a liberal Muslim woman of color in a seat of some power and influence, talking about real issues that you won’t even pretend to consider but which, in fact, do negatively impact persons of color more than white people and women more than men. Those two individually make the issues beneath your consideration, much less combined. What you cannot or will not understand or respect you ridicule. Otherwise women and people of color might start to think they are as good as you are. And because, admit it: it hurst your feelings to know that some people are speaking out against your casual bigotry.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yet another reason for doing job interviews etc blinded.

 

[Derec]

Please. She’s a liberal Muslim woman

She is a leftist Muslim woman. I would not call her liberal.

Those two individually make the issues beneath your consideration, much less combined.

It's beneath consideration of the US Congress. And not because of her identity (identity politics being the most important thing to US left) but because regulating people's cosmetic preferences is not a proper role of government. And that applies whether it is a dark-skin individual trying to lighten their skin of a light-skin individual trying to make their skin darker through tanning (natural, tanning beds or even spray-on tan like Orange Man Bad). It seems that people always want to change themselves when it comes to looks.

Otherwise women and people of color might start to think they are as good as you are. And because, admit it: it hurst your feelings to know that some people are speaking out against your casual bigotry.

It has nothing to do with "bigotry".

 

[AthenaAwakened]

First, reading white men debate black women's beauty aesthetic is hysterical.

And if you really want to understand why this is political, pick up a copy of this book and read it.

 

[Toni]

She is a leftist Muslim woman. I would not call her liberal.


It's beneath consideration of the US Congress. And not because of her identity (identity politics being the most important thing to US left) but because regulating people's cosmetic preferences is not a proper role of government. And that applies whether it is a dark-skin individual trying to lighten their skin of a light-skin individual trying to make their skin darker through tanning (natural, tanning beds or even spray-on tan like Orange Man Bad). It seems that people always want to change themselves when it comes to looks.

Otherwise women and people of color might start to think they are as good as you are. And because, admit it: it hurst your feelings to know that some people are speaking out against your casual bigotry.

It has nothing to do with "bigotry".

Product safety IS within the purview of the US government.

The WHO sees it as a health crisis given that the use of some of these products can lead to birth defects and damage to kidneys, lungs, and eyes. The US comprises 1/3 of the market so the issue is significant here in the US and not limited to 3rd world countries you and the former guy regard as shitholes.

The fact that you do not see product safety as a legitimate concern of the government as it relates to health concerns for women/women of color does indeed certainly give the appearance of bigotry.

 

[KeepTalking]

It isn't that she is making a dangerous choice, or advocating that others do so. She seems to be advocating for removing a dangerous choice, and if that were actually what was being mocked, I wouldn't say a person was being shitty for doing that. Just like I think it is perfectly acceptable to mock one who has made a dangerous cosmetic choice, which would apparently include myself given that I have tattoos.

Please. She’s a liberal Muslim woman of color in a seat of some power and influence, talking about real issues that you won’t even pretend to consider but which, in fact, do negatively impact persons of color more than white people and women more than men.

Your comments are entirely off base. I in no way intended to address the issues Ilhan Omar raised. I was only addressing the mocking of her that was going on, and the bigotry inherent in that.

Those two individually make the issues beneath your consideration, much less combined. What you cannot or will not understand or respect you ridicule.

What did I ridicule?

Otherwise women and people of color might start to think they are as good as you are.

There are many women and people of color who I respect a great deal, and I aspire to be as good as them.

And because, admit it: it hurst your feelings to know that some people are speaking out against your casual bigotry.

If I have displayed casual bigotry, then I would hope you would point out exactly how I did so, that I may learn from it and not make the same mistake again. I am not perfect, but I do try to avoid being a bigot.

 

[Toni]

Your comments are entirely off base. I in no way intended to address the issues Ilhan Omar raised. I was only addressing the mocking of her that was going on, and the bigotry inherent in that.

Those two individually make the issues beneath your consideration, much less combined. What you cannot or will not understand or respect you ridicule.

What did I ridicule?

Otherwise women and people of color might start to think they are as good as you are.

There are many women and people of color who I respect a great deal, and I aspire to be as good as them.

And because, admit it: it hurst your feelings to know that some people are speaking out against your casual bigotry.

If I have displayed casual bigotry, then I would hope you would point out exactly how I did so, that I may learn from it and not make the same mistake again. I am not perfect, but I do try to avoid being a bigot.

Yikes. This was not deliberately aimed at you. I think I had two tabs open and accidentally typed up a response in the wrong tab/wrong post.

And didn't catch my error until I read your post.

My only excuse is that I was multi-tasking (badly) and inadvertently posted where I didn't mean to post.

My sincere apologies.

 

[Derec]

First, reading white men debate black women's beauty aesthetic is hysterical.

Saying that white men should not debate certain topics because of our race and gender is racist.

And if you really want to understand why this is political, pick up a copy of this book and read it.

Oh, I understand that the Left wants to make everything political. That does not mean everything should be.

 

[Derec]

The fact that you do not see product safety as a legitimate concern of the government as it relates to health concerns for women/women of color does indeed certainly give the appearance of bigotry.

Product safety itself is of course legitimate concern. But that's not the way the issue was framed in the thread and by Omar. She would be opposed to it regardless of any safety issues, and I still think cosmetic choices of people are not the purview of government.
There are also safety issues with tanning beds and such. But Omar hasn't been saying anything about that.