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Leftists caught framing Republicans with Tiki Torch Stunt

Activist Christopher Rufo fuels GOP’s critical race theory fight - The Washington Post
Christopher Rufo said critical race theory, a decades-old academic framework that most people had never heard of, had “pervaded every institution in the federal government.”

“Critical race theory,” Rufo said, “has become, in essence, the default ideology of the federal bureaucracy and is now being weaponized against the American people.”
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So it's a non-issue for riling up the base.

Over in New Jersey, the Democratic candidate for governor barely won, with a much smaller than expected margin.
  • Philip Murphy* Democrat 1,280,877 50.9%
  • Jack Ciattarelli Republican 1,218,262 48.4
  • Madelyn Hoffman Green 7,960 0.3
  • Gregg Mele Libertarian 7,402 0.3
  • Joanne Kuniansky Socialist Workers 3,765 0.1

But for mayor of Boston,
  • Winner Michelle Wu 91,239 64.2%
  • Annissa Essaibi George 50,879 35.8
MW was progressive, wanting a Green New Deal and rent control, while AEG was relatively moderate.
 
Jason Harvestdancer said:
I am saying that the Lincoln Project was saying "But I was only joking". I'm not the one saying that, I'm saying the Lincoln Project is saying that.

The reason I say it is from the left is because the people involved, the actual boots on the ground activist people, the ones in the photograph, those people who have had their identities discovered by internet sleuths, the ones holding the tiki torches, are Democrats. I do find it curious that the Lincoln Project couldn't find any Republicans to get involved in their stunt. Whatever the involvement of the Lincoln Project (maybe they simply said "we have an idea does anyone volunteer for it") the actual people involved, the flesh and blood people, they are activists within the Democratic Party of Virginia.

Those people.

The ones in the photograph.

Not those not in the photograph.

The ones in the photograph.

Those people.

They're the ones I'm talking about.

The ones in the photograph.
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You are asserting that the very very presence of the Democrats in the demonstration is proof that they planned the entire event, not the Lincoln project, which has publicly said that they planned it. Your assertion is wildly improbable.

If it turns out that two of the participants in the 1/6 riots were registered Democrats, which is certainly probable, are you going to assert that they planned the whole thing?

You further assert that it was intended to be a false flag event, that the Lincoln project intended the viewers of the demonstration to believe that the participants were white supremacists, members of the KKK, including the one black man. That a comedy sketch made the idea of a black man in the KKK so acceptable that everyone would believe it was a sincere effort at a false flag event and not just political theater. That once again, the Lincoln Project was lying when they said that was political theater, they wanted people to remember the "unite the right" Charlottesville deadly riot.

I have to vote with the posters who have said that these two assertions are nothing more than poorly thought-out justifications for a poorly thought-out thread.
 
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SimpleDon said:
Jason Harvestdancer said:
I am saying that the Lincoln Project was saying "But I was only joking". I'm not the one saying that, I'm saying the Lincoln Project is saying that.

The reason I say it is from the left is because the people involved, the actual boots on the ground activist people, the ones in the photograph, those people who have had their identities discovered by internet sleuths, the ones holding the tiki torches, are Democrats. I do find it curious that the Lincoln Project couldn't find any Republicans to get involved in their stunt. Whatever the involvement of the Lincoln Project (maybe they simply said "we have an idea does anyone volunteer for it") the actual people involved, the flesh and blood people, they are activists within the Democratic Party of Virginia.

Those people.

The ones in the photograph.

Not those not in the photograph.

The ones in the photograph.

Those people.

They're the ones I'm talking about.

The ones in the photograph.
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You are asserting that the very very presence of the Democrats in the demonstration is proof that they planned the entire event, not the Lincoln project, which has publicly said that they planned it. This assertion is widely improbable.

If it turns out that two of the participants in the 1/6 riots were registered Democrats, which is certainly probable, are you going to assert that they planned the whole thing?

You further assert that it was intended to be a false flag event, that the Lincoln project intended the viewers of the demonstration to believe that the participants were white supremacists, members of the KKK, including the one black man. That a comedy sketch made the idea of a black man in the KKK so acceptable that everyone would believe it was a sincere effort at a false flag event and not just political theater. That once again, the Lincoln Project was lying when they said that was political theater, they wanted people to remember the "unite the right" Charlottesville deadly riot.

I have to vote with the posters who have said that these two assertions are nothing more than poorly thought-out justifications for a poorly thought-out thread.
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A journalist at The Intercept talked to Democratic operatives and The Lincoln Project and went through documented evidence, i.e. emails etc, to get the scoop. What it comes down to is the following:
  • The Lincoln Project is made up of conservatives and a few Democrats who are very anti-Trump;
  • One of the Democrats therein and others within the Lincoln Project (conservatives) planned the event, not to frame the Republican--that is a massive lie by Republicans--but to out the Republican for not disavowing Trump's both sides argument and white supremacists in general. Evidence is shown of emails for plans of the event;
  • One of the news sources embedded with the Republican campaign was inside somewhere or under a tent or whatever...not in the INCLEMENT weather...and this reporter did not go up to the people to ask them questions in the rain. They made assumptions and incorrect inferences about why the people were there. Bad reporting;
  • Within a VERY short timespan, people who don't like the Republican guy...such as Democrats and others who were not part of the planning retweeted and added emojis or whatever to the reporter's bad reporting. One of a few persons was someone from the Democrat's campaign;
  • For people who take a series of individuals and lump them all together as "The Left," imagining them acting in unison and being all aware of a grand plan, this begins to look like a conspiracy. So, conservative Internet Researchers begin sleuthing and trying to find out who the demonstrators are. One guy names names as all the demonstrators were Democratic operatives. (This is where Jason gets his information). BUT, that was false. There likely were 1 or 2 Democrats there, but these were not the named people and possibly were just people looking for work or if it was non-pay, sure more than 1 or 2 could be Democrats, but there's false information out there of a conspiracy of operatives;
  • Next, in the ensuing chaos, someone at the Lincoln Project hearts or emojis one of the tweets about the demonstrators. This isn't the only retweet or emojification of the rapidly developing chaotic story, but it's one that conspiracy theorists latch onto. This person probably was enjoying the chaos and made a bad decision based on that;
  • The EXACT SAME DAY, not the next day, not a week later, later on THE SAME DAY, The Lincoln Project decides that the viral story has gotten out of control with multiple narratives going around, including false info by conservatives. So, later on (again THE SAME DAY) they issue a statement taking responsibility. No, they do not apologize. They say they will keep associating the Republican with the Unite the Right because of his refusal to disavow various persons and advocacy of the both sides argument;
  • The Republican ends up winning. The Democrat is labeled the "racially divisive" candidate.
 
lpetrich said:
Activist Christopher Rufo fuels GOP’s critical race theory fight - The Washington Post
Christopher Rufo said critical race theory, a decades-old academic framework that most people had never heard of, had “pervaded every institution in the federal government.”

“Critical race theory,” Rufo said, “has become, in essence, the default ideology of the federal bureaucracy and is now being weaponized against the American people.”
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So it's a non-issue for riling up the base.
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CRT is nothing more than the same conservative media tried to do with "woke" and "politically correct," to misrepresent the terms to avoid having to address their meaning. In the simplest terms, CRT is saying that our education system intentionally underplays the role of race and racism in American history, especially in the South. And that there is still a lot of racism in our legal system. That these two propositions are correct is so obvious there is no argument about them, leaving conservatives no choice but to misrepresent the term.

This is one area in which conservatives are not so willing to let parents have a say in what the schools teach, black parents complaining that the schools intentionally underplay the role of race and racism in our history and in our current reality.

 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
SimpleDon said:
Jason Harvestdancer said:
I am saying that the Lincoln Project was saying "But I was only joking". I'm not the one saying that, I'm saying the Lincoln Project is saying that.

The reason I say it is from the left is because the people involved, the actual boots on the ground activist people, the ones in the photograph, those people who have had their identities discovered by internet sleuths, the ones holding the tiki torches, are Democrats. I do find it curious that the Lincoln Project couldn't find any Republicans to get involved in their stunt. Whatever the involvement of the Lincoln Project (maybe they simply said "we have an idea does anyone volunteer for it") the actual people involved, the flesh and blood people, they are activists within the Democratic Party of Virginia.

Those people.

The ones in the photograph.

Not those not in the photograph.

The ones in the photograph.

Those people.

They're the ones I'm talking about.

The ones in the photograph.
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You are asserting that the very very presence of the Democrats in the demonstration is proof that they planned the entire event, not the Lincoln project, which has publicly said that they planned it. This assertion is widely improbable.

If it turns out that two of the participants in the 1/6 riots were registered Democrats, which is certainly probable, are you going to assert that they planned the whole thing?

You further assert that it was intended to be a false flag event, that the Lincoln project intended the viewers of the demonstration to believe that the participants were white supremacists, members of the KKK, including the one black man. That a comedy sketch made the idea of a black man in the KKK so acceptable that everyone would believe it was a sincere effort at a false flag event and not just political theater. That once again, the Lincoln Project was lying when they said that was political theater, they wanted people to remember the "unite the right" Charlottesville deadly riot.

I have to vote with the posters who have said that these two assertions are nothing more than poorly thought-out justifications for a poorly thought-out thread.
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A journalist at The Intercept talked to Democratic operatives and The Lincoln Project and went through documented evidence, i.e. emails etc, to get the scoop. What it comes down to is the following:
  • The Lincoln Project is made up of conservatives and a few Democrats who are very anti-Trump;
  • One of the Democrats therein and others within the Lincoln Project (conservatives) planned the event, not to frame the Republican--that is a massive lie by Republicans--but to out the Republican for not disavowing Trump's both sides argument and white supremacists in general. Evidence is shown of emails for plans of the event;
  • One of the news sources embedded with the Republican campaign was inside somewhere or under a tent or whatever...not in the INCLEMENT weather...and this reporter did not go up to the people to ask them questions in the rain. They made assumptions and incorrect inferences about why the people were there. Bad reporting;
  • Within a VERY short timespan, people who don't like the Republican guy...such as Democrats and others who were not part of the planning retweeted and added emojis or whatever to the reporter's bad reporting. One of a few persons was someone from the Democrat's campaign;
  • For people who take a series of individuals and lump them all together as "The Left," imagining them acting in unison and being all aware of a grand plan, this begins to look like a conspiracy. So, conservative Internet Researchers begin sleuthing and trying to find out who the demonstrators are. One guy names names as all the demonstrators were Democratic operatives. (This is where Jason gets his information). BUT, that was false. There likely were 1 or 2 Democrats there, but these were not the named people and possibly were just people looking for work or if it was non-pay, sure more than 1 or 2 could be Democrats, but there's false information out there of a conspiracy of operatives;
  • Next, in the ensuing chaos, someone at the Lincoln Project hearts or emojis one of the tweets about the demonstrators. This isn't the only retweet or emojification of the rapidly developing chaotic story, but it's one that conspiracy theorists latch onto. This person probably was enjoying the chaos and made a bad decision based on that;
  • The EXACT SAME DAY, not the next day, not a week later, later on THE SAME DAY, The Lincoln Project decides that the viral story has gotten out of control with multiple narratives going around, including false info by conservatives. So, later on (again THE SAME DAY) they issue a statement taking responsibility. No, they do not apologize. They say they will keep associating the Republican with the Unite the Right because of his refusal to disavow various persons and advocacy of the both sides argument;
  • The Republican ends up winning. The Democrat is labeled the "racially divisive" candidate.
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Too many words and too much nuance for Jason and the conservatives who commented on the thread. Short and sweet and hit them hard when dealing with these people.
 
I'll check on the issue of whether VA and NJ govs are from the opposite party of the President.
Year Pres, VA gov, NJ gov -- VA flip, NJ flip:
  • 2020 D R D -- X _
  • 2016 R D D -- X X
  • 2012 D D R -- _ X
  • 2008 D R D -- X _
  • 2004 R D D -- X X
  • 2000 R D D -- X X
  • 1996 D R R -- X X
  • 1992 D R R -- X X
  • 1988 R D D -- X X
  • 1984 R D R -- X _
  • 1980 R D R -- X _
So while GY's win is typical, PM's win was not. In fact, PM was the first NJ D gov to win a second term since Brendan Byrne (1974-1982).
 
I decided to look at the state legislatures.

The Virginia House of Delegates is elected in each odd year (2n+1), and the VA Senate each year 4n+3. The VA Senate has a 21-19 Democratic majority, so the VA Gov't is now 2 R 1 D.

The New Jersey General Assembly is elected in each odd year, and the NJ Senate is elected in a 2-4-4 cycle, with elections in years 10n+1, 10n+3, and 10n+7, to fit in with redistricting.

Partisan control in the two states' legislatures is much more steady.
  • VA Senate: 1900-1996: D, 1996-2008: R, 2008-2012: D, 2012-2020: R, 2020-2024: D
  • VA House: 1900-1998: D, 1998-2000: tie, 2000-2020: R, 2020-2022: D, 2022-2024: R
  • NJ Senate: 1992-2002: R, 2002-2004: tie, 2004-2024: D
  • NJ Assembly: 1992-2000: R, 2000-2024: D
 
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Tiki Torch-Wielding Democrats Condemning Election Of Black Lt. Governor Starting To Wonder If They’re On Wrong Side Of History
 
TomC said:
Jason Harvestdancer said:
The reason I say it is from the left is because the people involved, the actual boots on the ground activist people, the ones in the photograph, those people who have had their identities discovered by internet sleuths, the ones holding the tiki torches, are Democrats. I do find it curious that the Lincoln Project couldn't find any Republicans to get involved in their stunt.
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Why do keep repeating this nonsense?

2 of the 5 are Democrats. That leaves the majority(3), who are not Democrats. Then, there's the organization that did it. The Lincoln Project is hardly leftists.

You just keep repeating this demonstrably fake news. It's like you're trying to convince yourself of something.
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The fact that not all participants are positively identified does not mean "oh gee that proves they are Republicans". The minority individual who is "proof this was not meant to portray actual Youngkin supporters" is not yet identified for example.

Yet we have seen, from not only the recall election in California, but also the Lt. Governor election in Virginia, that "What Supremacism" is a very open and tolerant group, that will accept people of any race as long as they oppose Democrats. Fascinating.
 
Jason Harvestdancer said:
The fact that not all participants are positively identified does not mean "oh gee that proves they are Republicans". The minority individual who is "proof this was not meant to portray actual Youngkin supporters" is not yet identified for example.
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The bottom line remains.
The group that did this aren't leftists. And nobody has contradicted their message, that Youngkin is supported by folks who are white supremacist.

Youngkin appears to be an extremist opposed by centrists with various political associations.
Tom
 
So to be clear the claim is no longer that they are all (every single one of them) Leftists (a claim taken from conservative Internet "researchers" now debunked) deliberately trying to frame the Republican's campaign, but instead now simply that TomC can't not not prove some of them were Republicans.
 
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