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Anti–Trump Group's Tiki Stunt Against Glenn Youngkin May Hurt Terry McAuliffe in Virginia

So a group of people showed up dressed as if they were at the United the Right rally, complete with tiki torches, to say they supported Glenn Youngkin. This made the news rounds for several days, until it turned out they were from an anti-Trump pro-Democrat group.

One of the "supporters" has been identified as FirstName "vote for Dems on Nov 2" LastName on Twitter, with many pictures at Democrat events. The woman at that staged event has also been identified as a Democratic Party operative. They have since made their twitter and instagram private.

Well, if they are Democrats the torches do make sense, but using them to frame the Republican as allegedly having their support is an act of desperation.
 

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FAKE NEWS

Jason, it's even in the article you linked: "After speculation grew that Democratic operatives had organized the action, the Lincoln Project admitted responsibility."

It's anti-Trump Republicans against other Republicans, not Democrats. You made it up that it is leftists.
 

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Two of the people involved are indeed Democrats, even if the Lincoln Project organized this. They have been identified by name, something I declined to do in this thread.

Do you want me to name them so that you can be satisfied that Democrats are doing this?
 

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Hey, any tactic is fair. After all, Youngkin is a dangerous far-right nutter who wants parents to have some say in their children's education, a viewpoint so eye-bleedingly absurd McAuliffe had to point out the obvious:

“I’m not going to let parents come into schools and actually take books out and make their own decision,” McAuliffe said. “I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”
 

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Two of the people involved are indeed Democrats, even if the Lincoln Project organized this. They have been identified by name, something I declined to do in this thread.

Do you want me to name them so that you can be satisfied that Democrats are doing this?

My personal satisfaction has nothing to do with it. You made a claim and provided supporting evidence that was not evidence to support your claim. You can try to fix your op or you can leave it as is. It's up to you how to do it and to confirm your information with credible, believable sources.
 

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Just curious,...

but what is with this weird leftist tiki torch association? Jason has brought it up twice now. The only people I know who decorate with tiki torches are my relatives who live in the Florida panhandle. (Trumpies)
 

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FAKE NEWS

Jason, it's even in the article you linked: "After speculation grew that Democratic operatives had organized the action, the Lincoln Project admitted responsibility."

It's anti-Trump Republicans against other Republicans, not Democrats. You made it up that it is leftists.
This isn't fake news dude.
Two of the people involved are indeed Democrats, even if the Lincoln Project organized this. They have been identified by name, something I declined to do in this thread.

Do you want me to name them so that you can be satisfied that Democrats are doing this?

My personal satisfaction has nothing to do with it. You made a claim and provided supporting evidence that was not evidence to support your claim. You can try to fix your op or you can leave it as is. It's up to you how to do it and to confirm your information with credible, believable sources.
No, actually, the claim is supported.
 

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Nope, the story is fake news. Nobody was being framed.

The Lincoln Project sent people to the campaign as a stunt to remind people about the white supremacy. They were not pretending to be white supremacists in the sense that is being claimed. They were "pretending" with the expectation that everyone would naturally know they were not really white supremacists. They did that as a stunt because they allege the Republican candidate refused to disavow various white supremacists.

Here is what the Lincoln Project actually stated:
"Today's demonstration was our way of reminding Virginians what happened in Charlottesville four years ago, the Republican Party's embrace of those values, and Glenn Youngkin's failure to condemn it," the conservative group said in a statement.

If you can't infer this from the photo, then you have SERIOUS PROBLEMS.

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The Lincoln Project was tweeting about how this proves something or another about Youngkin and his supporters - until it was proven that some of the people in that picture were Democrat activists. Then, after the fact, they said this was to demonstrate something or another instead.

They were caught with their pants down, came up with an excuse, and you willingly and eagerly believe it because the alternative is to admit this was a sleazy move on the part of those you would no doubt consider allies.
 

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The Lincoln Project was tweeting about how this proves something or another about Youngkin and his supporters - until it was proven that some of the people in that picture were Democrat activists. Then, after the fact, they said this was to demonstrate something or another instead.

They were caught with their pants down, came up with an excuse, and you willingly and eagerly believe it because the alternative is to admit this was a sleazy move on the part of those you would no doubt consider allies.

It is unbelievable that the centrist group Lincoln Project was claiming with a straight face that the African American man in that photo was a white supremacist.

Life is not a Dave Chapelle--Clayton Bigsby skit.
 

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Hey, any tactic is fair. After all, Youngkin is a dangerous far-right nutter who wants parents to have some say in their children's education, a viewpoint so eye-bleedingly absurd McAuliffe had to point out the obvious:

“I’m not going to let parents come into schools and actually take books out and make their own decision,” McAuliffe said. “I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”
Agreed. Your average Joe and Jane Blow are no more qualified to be making decisions on school curriculum than they are on the safety of vaccinations. They should stick to what the know: screwing widgets together and making meatloaf. Then maybe, just maybe their kids will enjoy a better lot in life than mom and dad.
 

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FAKE NEWS

Jason, it's even in the article you linked: "After speculation grew that Democratic operatives had organized the action, the Lincoln Project admitted responsibility."

It's anti-Trump Republicans against other Republicans, not Democrats. You made it up that it is leftists.
Don - moderate Republicans are "leftists" to the hard right and to "libertarians".
 

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Hey, any tactic is fair. After all, Youngkin is a dangerous far-right nutter who wants parents to have some say in their children's education, a viewpoint so eye-bleedingly absurd McAuliffe had to point out the obvious:

“I’m not going to let parents come into schools and actually take books out and make their own decision,” McAuliffe said. “I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”
Agreed. Your average Joe and Jane Blow are no more qualified to be making decisions on school curriculum than they are on the safety of vaccinations. They should stick to what the know: screwing widgets together and making meatloaf. Then maybe, just maybe their kids will enjoy a better lot in life than mom and dad.
I encourage Democrats to keep attacking parents concerned about what their kids are taught in school. It's a winning strategy.
 

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The Lincoln Project was tweeting about how this proves something or another about Youngkin and his supporters - until it was proven that some of the people in that picture were Democrat activists. Then, after the fact, they said this was to demonstrate something or another instead.

They were caught with their pants down, came up with an excuse, and you willingly and eagerly believe it because the alternative is to admit this was a sleazy move on the part of those you would no doubt consider allies.

It is unbelievable that the centrist group Lincoln Project was claiming with a straight face that the African American man in that photo was a white supremacist.

Considering that Larry Elder was accused of being the black face of white supremacism, your objection is less than meaningless.
 

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The Lincoln Project was tweeting about how this proves something or another about Youngkin and his supporters - until it was proven that some of the people in that picture were Democrat activists. Then, after the fact, they said this was to demonstrate something or another instead.

They were caught with their pants down, came up with an excuse, and you willingly and eagerly believe it because the alternative is to admit this was a sleazy move on the part of those you would no doubt consider allies.

It is unbelievable that the centrist group Lincoln Project was claiming with a straight face that the African American man in that photo was a white supremacist.

Life is not a Dave Chapelle--Clayton Bigsby skit.

Leftists already called Larry Elder 'the black face of white supremacy' so I can well believe they would think nothing of sending a black man as a white supremacist.
 

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Hey, any tactic is fair. After all, Youngkin is a dangerous far-right nutter who wants parents to have some say in their children's education, a viewpoint so eye-bleedingly absurd McAuliffe had to point out the obvious:

“I’m not going to let parents come into schools and actually take books out and make their own decision,” McAuliffe said. “I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”
Agreed. Your average Joe and Jane Blow are no more qualified to be making decisions on school curriculum than they are on the safety of vaccinations. They should stick to what the know: screwing widgets together and making meatloaf. Then maybe, just maybe their kids will enjoy a better lot in life than mom and dad.

Whether you regard them as qualified or not, Virginian parents have the legal right to do so:

A parent has a fundamental right to make decisions concerning the upbringing, education, and care of the parent's child.
 

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How do we know the Tiki torch protest wasn't set up by Trump supporters with the intention of framing Democrats to look like they had set up a false colors protest?

The arithmetic gets complicated because it's not certain if a falsified false flag operation is a true flag operation, or it's still false.
 

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How do we know the Tiki torch protest wasn't set up by Trump supporters with the intention of framing Democrats to look like they had set up a false colors protest?

The arithmetic gets complicated because it's not certain if a falsified false flag operation is a true flag operation, or it's still false.
Because somebody already took credit.
 

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The Lincoln Project was tweeting about how this proves something or another about Youngkin and his supporters - until it was proven that some of the people in that picture were Democrat activists. Then, after the fact, they said this was to demonstrate something or another instead.

They were caught with their pants down, came up with an excuse, and you willingly and eagerly believe it because the alternative is to admit this was a sleazy move on the part of those you would no doubt consider allies.

It is unbelievable that the centrist group Lincoln Project was claiming with a straight face that the African American man in that photo was a white supremacist.

Life is not a Dave Chapelle--Clayton Bigsby skit.

Leftists already called Larry Elder 'the black face of white supremacy' so I can well believe they would think nothing of sending a black man as a white supremacist.
Larry Elder said that himself.
 

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Because somebody already took credit.
Truthfully, or falsely?
Why would the Lincoln Project falsely claim credit, and what makes you think that's a possibility?
A better question is, should we believe them? If a false flag tactic is a real thing, why can't falsely claiming a false flag tactic be a thing as well.

An even better question, is the Youngkin campaign upset because someone tried to associate them with racist Trumpler Youth organization, or it is because they couldn't get real racist Trumpler Youth to stand up for their campaign?

Has anyone checked to see how Youngkin feels about genuine racist tiki torch carriers, some of whom are good people?
 

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This fake news is pretty crazy but I can see why conservative media including social media is focusing on constructing a narrative that
  • Republicans were being framed;
  • It was "The Left" doing it.

It's rather tiring to keep explaining to people who just want to engage in continuing right-wing propaganda rather than listening to Reason, but I'll try one more time. The Lincoln Project engaged in a stunt to get people to mentally associate the Republican candidate with the Unite the Right Rally and that's because in their minds the candidate is in fact mentally associated with those persons, not having disavowed them or Trump's both sides argument. Nobody was being framed since it was obvious that these were demonstrators showing this association, not actual members of Unite the Right. Of course one or two of the demonstrators might be Democrats, but that has no bearing on anything since no one was trying to frame Republicans.

The Lincoln Project is not The Left--they are anti-Trump conservatives. One could try to call them centrists or moderates, but their ideology is actually conservatism. What's more--the Lincoln Project clarified their stunt THE SAME DAY that it happened, i.e. the same day that conservative news and social media tried to out a conspiracy of "Democrat operatives," framing Republicans.

What should be very telling about this story is all the outrage and faux fingerpointing while IGNORING the actual issue that the Republican candidate refused to disavow the both sides argument. Pro-Trump Republicans, conservatives, conservolibertarians, and other assorted Qarens cannot by nature deal with the actual issue because the actual issue is that a large contingent of their party is racist. Confederate flag waving, screaming about BLM, the Jews Will Not Replace Us racists. It was the whole Southern Strategy to get votes and Trump doubled down on it.

So, why does this faux narrative have legs? It's because right now there is an election. That's the bottom line.
 

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Hey, any tactic is fair. After all, Youngkin is a dangerous far-right nutter who wants parents to have some say in their children's education, a viewpoint so eye-bleedingly absurd McAuliffe had to point out the obvious:

“I’m not going to let parents come into schools and actually take books out and make their own decision,” McAuliffe said. “I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”
Agreed. Your average Joe and Jane Blow are no more qualified to be making decisions on school curriculum than they are on the safety of vaccinations. They should stick to what the know: screwing widgets together and making meatloaf. Then maybe, just maybe their kids will enjoy a better lot in life than mom and dad.
I encourage Democrats to keep attacking parents concerned about what their kids are taught in school. It's a winning strategy.
Yeah. If they want creationism and flat earth taught in schools then so be it. We don't need elected school boards either. Each parent determines individual exactly the curriculum for their kid. Perfect system that.
 

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Hey, any tactic is fair. After all, Youngkin is a dangerous far-right nutter who wants parents to have some say in their children's education, a viewpoint so eye-bleedingly absurd McAuliffe had to point out the obvious:

“I’m not going to let parents come into schools and actually take books out and make their own decision,” McAuliffe said. “I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”
Agreed. Your average Joe and Jane Blow are no more qualified to be making decisions on school curriculum than they are on the safety of vaccinations. They should stick to what the know: screwing widgets together and making meatloaf. Then maybe, just maybe their kids will enjoy a better lot in life than mom and dad.
I encourage Democrats to keep attacking parents concerned about what their kids are taught in school. It's a winning strategy.
Yeah. If they want creationism and flat earth taught in schools then so be it. We don't need elected school boards either. Each parent determines individual exactly the curriculum for their kid. Perfect system that.
We probably shouldn’t even have state run schools at all. People can either pay for private schools, with curricula they agree with, or home school their kids. Isn’t that how America achieved greatness in the first place? I’m sure that our future will be in better hands if we return to such a system. Right??
 

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Hey, any tactic is fair. After all, Youngkin is a dangerous far-right nutter who wants parents to have some say in their children's education, a viewpoint so eye-bleedingly absurd McAuliffe had to point out the obvious:

“I’m not going to let parents come into schools and actually take books out and make their own decision,” McAuliffe said. “I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”
Agreed. Your average Joe and Jane Blow are no more qualified to be making decisions on school curriculum than they are on the safety of vaccinations. They should stick to what the know: screwing widgets together and making meatloaf. Then maybe, just maybe their kids will enjoy a better lot in life than mom and dad.
I encourage Democrats to keep attacking parents concerned about what their kids are taught in school. It's a winning strategy.
Yeah. If they want creationism and flat earth taught in schools then so be it. We don't need elected school boards either. Each parent determines individual exactly the curriculum for their kid. Perfect system that.
Yes, please. Keep calling parents stupid. Winning!
 

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The Lincoln Project was tweeting about how this proves something or another about Youngkin and his supporters - until it was proven that some of the people in that picture were Democrat activists. Then, after the fact, they said this was to demonstrate something or another instead.

They were caught with their pants down, came up with an excuse, and you willingly and eagerly believe it because the alternative is to admit this was a sleazy move on the part of those you would no doubt consider allies.

It is unbelievable that the centrist group Lincoln Project was claiming with a straight face that the African American man in that photo was a white supremacist.

Life is not a Dave Chapelle--Clayton Bigsby skit.

Leftists already called Larry Elder 'the black face of white supremacy' so I can well believe they would think nothing of sending a black man as a white supremacist.
Larry Elder said that himself.
Said what? That the left called him that?

This is the LA Times article with the headline:

And the headline appears to have been inspired by a BLM leader:
Abdullah of Black Lives Matter: “Anytime you put a Black face on white supremacy, which is what Larry Elder is, there are people who will utilize that as an opportunity to deny white supremacy. They say, ‘How could this be white supremacy? This is a Black man.’ But everything that he’s pushing, everything that he stands for, he is advancing white supremacy.”
 

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Said what? That the left called him that?

Larry Elder was very clearly making a tongue in cheek reference to the LA Times headline, unless you actually believe he originated the term 'the black face of white supremacy' for himself and means it unironically?

The left clearly does believe black people can be white supremacists, which makes Don2's claim that it was obviously a stunt because leftists would never send a black man to pretend to be a white supremacist, unsupported.
 

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Said what? That the left called him that?

Larry Elder was very clearly making a tongue in cheek reference to the LA Times headline, unless you actually believe he originated the term 'the black face of white supremacy' for himself and means it unironically?

The left clearly does believe black people can be white supremacists, which makes Don2's claim that it was obviously a stunt because leftists would never send a black man to pretend to be a white supremacist, unsupported.

I didn't say anything about how he said it.
 

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Anyone remember Umbrella Man and the guy who firebombed a police station. Both turned out to be rightwing assholes trying to frame BLMers and ANTIFA.
 

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Said what? That the left called him that?

Larry Elder was very clearly making a tongue in cheek reference to the LA Times headline, unless you actually believe he originated the term 'the black face of white supremacy' for himself and means it unironically?

The left clearly does believe black people can be white supremacists, which makes Don2's claim that it was obviously a stunt because leftists would never send a black man to pretend to be a white supremacist, unsupported.

I didn't say anything about how he said it.

Then what was your post about when you said "Larry Elder said that himself"? So what if he did?
 

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I know that there is considerable effort to deny the facts, but two of those people waving torches have been identified as being active in the Democratic Party.

Even if it was a Lincoln Project stunt, they used Democrats in their stunt.

They only took credit after the bad faith actors were revealed by internet sleuths. Before that, they were joining the general "look at what kind of people support Youngkin" rhetoric.

Two of the five people are known, publicly, as activists within the Democratic Party. Fact. Not fake news. Fact.
 

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Since one can be a Democrat and not a leftist and since one can be a leftist but not a Democrat, the OP title and subsequent apologetics is nonsense.
 

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The Lincoln Project is largely made up of former Republicans who have either joined the Democratic Party or just want to troll and oppose the power structure in the current Republican Party, which has become enslaved to the Big Lie idiocy spun out of Trump's mouth. Youngkin himself is bound to Trump, even though he is rumored to be more of a moderate within that cult. The Lincoln Project does not consist of leftists, flaming liberals, or members of the McAuliffe campaign. In fact, they and the stunt have been denounced by the McAuliffe campaign, but that won't stop Trumpublicans and their enablers from using it to bash McAuliffe.

Politifact rates the charge against the Democratic Party and the McAuliffe campaign as "False":

Virginia Democratic party, McAuliffe campaign not involved in white supremacist stunt

 

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Nope, the story is fake news. Nobody was being framed.

The Lincoln Project sent people to the campaign as a stunt to remind people about the white supremacy. They were not pretending to be white supremacists in the sense that is being claimed. They were "pretending" with the expectation that everyone would naturally know they were not really white supremacists. They did that as a stunt because they allege the Republican candidate refused to disavow various white supremacists.

Here is what the Lincoln Project actually stated:
"Today's demonstration was our way of reminding Virginians what happened in Charlottesville four years ago, the Republican Party's embrace of those values, and Glenn Youngkin's failure to condemn it," the conservative group said in a statement.

If you can't infer this from the photo, then you have SERIOUS PROBLEMS.

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Yes. It is precisely identical to saying that the people flying the "Trump Blimp" at anti-trump rallies were attempting to fool people into believing that donald trump himself was in attendance of the rally, and therefore was rallying against himself.
I'm sorry, but it is pretty fucking stoooopid to miss such blatantly obvious satire, clearly and unequivocally designed to caracturture and connect two ideas together (the candidate and white supremacy, in this case, obviously to any reasonable person with half a brain cell).
It is really hard to tell if the radical right is really that retarded, or just reliant on the brain-damaged / retarded sector of American society to follow their "buy-lines".
 

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Hey, any tactic is fair. After all, Youngkin is a dangerous far-right nutter who wants parents to have some say in their children's education, a viewpoint so eye-bleedingly absurd McAuliffe had to point out the obvious:

“I’m not going to let parents come into schools and actually take books out and make their own decision,” McAuliffe said. “I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”
Agreed. Your average Joe and Jane Blow are no more qualified to be making decisions on school curriculum than they are on the safety of vaccinations. They should stick to what the know: screwing widgets together and making meatloaf. Then maybe, just maybe their kids will enjoy a better lot in life than mom and dad.

Whether you regard them as qualified or not, Virginian parents have the legal right to do so:

A parent has a fundamental right to make decisions concerning the upbringing, education, and care of the parent's child.
Yes, parents do have a fundamental right to make decisions regarding the upbringing, care and education of their children. And they can do so by making choices about how to bring up, care for and educate their children. For instance, they can choose a non-public school for their children or choose to home school them. However, they CANNOT decide that MY child cannot learn about biology or chemistry or physics or literature or history or art or music, even if they don't like what is being taught. Their decisions about their childrearing practices do NOT impinge upon my choices about MY children's upbringing and education.

With regards to public education, parents can and do exercise some degree of influence by electing school board members who agree with them and who *may* agree with the parents' POV regarding XX. In some jurisdictions (I've never actually lived in Virginia), parents have a right to appear before the school board and advocate for/against any particular curriculum or policy. They may write letters to the school superintendent, curriculum director, editors of local newspapers and other news outlets and perhaps even the state legislature, etc. They may organize other parents who agree with them. And they may be met with opposition from other parents. The degree to which they achieve success depends largely upon how closely the parents' viewpoint aligns with that of the school board---and state law. For example, even if most of the community agreed that people of British descent should be enslaved, or that men should be disenfranchised or that gay people should be burned at the stake as witches, it is unlikely that the state would allow such curriculum stating that POV as fact to be taught.

In my experience, such parents usually confine themselves to protesting the teaching of certain books in the school curriculum (see a banned book list for likely targets) on one end, and the elimination of school programs such as AP courses on the other end. Oh, and anything sex ed related is bound to bring some protesters from all sides.
 
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