Black Jogger Gunned Down In The Street

[barbos]

How do you do so without an attack?

By verbal threatening

 

[Arctish]

You missed the part where three armed guys in trucks attacked Arbery first.

not attacked, tried to stop him.

Yes attacked. Even Travis admitted while testifying in his own defense that Arbery didn't have to stop, that he had a Right to keep on going.

 

[Arctish]

How do you do so without an attack?

By verbal threatening

Verbal threatening while brandishing a gun and committing vehicular assault, you mean. Both of which are felonies, as is false imprisonment.

Even Travis McMichael admitted while testifying in his own defense that Arbery was under no legal obligation to stop for him or his father.

 

[barbos]

Even Travis McMichael admitted while testifying in his own defense that Arbery was under no legal obligation to stop for him or his father

Yes, Arbery should have kept on "jogging" and nothing bad would have happened. Instead he decided to get a gun from a guy with a gun.

 

[Arctish]

Even Travis McMichael admitted while testifying in his own defense that Arbery was under no legal obligation to stop for him or his father

Yes, Arbery should have kept on "jogging" and nothing bad would have happened. Instead he decided to get a gun from a guy with a gun.

I'm sorry, but that is too absurdly ignorant to take seriously.

And you haven't answered my questions. What makes you think Arbery wasn't a jogger? Is it because his workouts were more in keeping with him being a distance runner?

And what were people on the fence about?

 

[Gospel]

Then, to make it all worse, their friends in the "justice" business tried to cover it all up. They deserve serious prison time. But so does, maybe more so, their friend in the prosecution office. Arbery's murderers committed a violent crime in the heat of the moment. The prosecutor who waved it away, and tried to cover it up, also deserves serious prison time.

I don't hear much about her. Anybody know what's happening on that front?

Former district attorney arrested after indictment in connection with Ahmaud Arbery investigation

A former district attorney in Georgia has been charged after allegedly interfering with the arrest of a man involved in the 2020 shooting death of 25-year-old Ahmaud Arbery.

www.cnn.com

So long sucka!! You're swift departure from whatever standard of living you currently enjoy is a step closer to black people getting over it.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Even Travis McMichael admitted while testifying in his own defense that Arbery was under no legal obligation to stop for him or his father

Yes, Arbery should have kept on "jogging" and nothing bad would have happened. Instead he decided to get a gun from a guy with a gun.

This isn't how life works. A thing that is reasonable to do at time(x) isn't necessarily the most reasonable thing to do at time(x+n). So jogging may have been reasonable initially. Then, later on due to the far distance of potential life-takers, running may have been the best option. Then, even later than that once the distance had been closed on multiple sides, running would result in getting shot and killed and therefore, an attempt to fight for a gun over time becomes more and more reasonable in the mind of the victim.

 

[barbos]

Even Travis McMichael admitted while testifying in his own defense that Arbery was under no legal obligation to stop for him or his father

Yes, Arbery should have kept on "jogging" and nothing bad would have happened. Instead he decided to get a gun from a guy with a gun.

This isn't how life works. A thing that is reasonable to do at time(x) isn't necessarily the most reasonable thing to do at time(x+n). So jogging may have been reasonable initially. Then, later on due to the far distance of potential life-takers, running may have been the best option. Then, even later than that once the distance had been closed on multiple sides, running would result in getting shot and killed and therefore, an attempt to fight for a gun over time becomes more and more reasonable in the mind of the victim.

You want me to believe that America today is a country where blacks are routinely hunted down and shot?
Why would blacks even jog if it is true?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Even Travis McMichael admitted while testifying in his own defense that Arbery was under no legal obligation to stop for him or his father

Yes, Arbery should have kept on "jogging" and nothing bad would have happened. Instead he decided to get a gun from a guy with a gun.

This isn't how life works. A thing that is reasonable to do at time(x) isn't necessarily the most reasonable thing to do at time(x+n). So jogging may have been reasonable initially. Then, later on due to the far distance of potential life-takers, running may have been the best option. Then, even later than that once the distance had been closed on multiple sides, running would result in getting shot and killed and therefore, an attempt to fight for a gun over time becomes more and more reasonable in the mind of the victim.

You want me to believe that America today is a country where blacks are routinely hunted down and shot?
Why would blacks even jog if it is true?

That hyperbolic proposition isn't a thing you have to believe in order to agree with what I wrote and so you are just engaging in taking an exaggerated stance to argue.

 

[barbos]

That hyperbolic proposition isn't a thing you have to believe in order to agree with what I wrote and so you are just engaging in taking an exaggerated stance to argue.

Well, this is exactly what you suggested. You suggested that Ahmaud Arbery had reasons to believe that these rednecks were about to murder him.... for sure.

 

[TomC]

That hyperbolic proposition isn't a thing you have to believe in order to agree with what I wrote and so you are just engaging in taking an exaggerated stance to argue.

Well, this is exactly what you suggested. You suggested that Ahmaud Arbery had reasons to believe that these rednecks were about to murder him.... for sure.

You cannot be much familiar with the U.S. if you don't understand this.
A lone black man, at night and on foot, is in grave danger if confronted by white yahoos with trucks and guns. Heck, I'd be scared and I'm a big white dude.
Tom

 

[barbos]

That hyperbolic proposition isn't a thing you have to believe in order to agree with what I wrote and so you are just engaging in taking an exaggerated stance to argue.

Well, this is exactly what you suggested. You suggested that Ahmaud Arbery had reasons to believe that these rednecks were about to murder him.... for sure.

You cannot be much familiar with the U.S. if you don't understand this.
A lone black man, at night and on foot, is in grave danger if confronted by white yahoos with trucks and guns. Heck, I'd be scared and I'm a big white dude.
Tom

It was not night but that's not really relevant. So if what you said is true, then why in the love of God any black would be jogging through white neighborhood, or any neighborhood for that matter?

Oh, and I am pretty familiar with US and was warned to lock car doors when driving through South Side Chicago. Have never been in Georgia though. But I do read news and I don't remember ever reading about white lynching blacks on the street. I am talking about modern times.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

That hyperbolic proposition isn't a thing you have to believe in order to agree with what I wrote and so you are just engaging in taking an exaggerated stance to argue.

Well, this is exactly what you suggested. You suggested that Ahmaud Arbery had reasons to believe that these rednecks were about to murder him.... for sure.

Bullshit. I did NOT suggest he had a priori reasons to think he was in danger based on a history of _routine_ lynchings. It was primarily the behaviors of the perpetrators that signaled danger and those are things I have mentioned, but you are failing to address, such as the less practicable it is to flee the closer a person comes to you with a shotgun and also the less practicable it is to flee once surrounded by multiple armed people. Your changing the subject to now discuss these alleged routine (a vague word by you) lynchings is getting you out of conceding that the basic survival risk of fleeing is dynamic and related to these other factors of proximity and if your assailants have started to surround you or not. Moreover, you are additionally wrong because McMichael senior says he screamed he was going to blow Arbery's fucking head off if he didn't stop. So, according to you, he was in NO danger if he continued to run, but according to McMichael senior and Reason he was in danger if he continued trying to move away from the perpetrators.

 

[barbos]

I am not the one changing the subject here.
The subject here is what was that?
And the answer is: it was not lynching, he was not a jogger and he died because he decided that attacking a guy with a loaded gun was a best strategy to get out of the situation he was in. Yes these 3 rednecks created that situation, they thought the guy would submit to their demands, but he attacked them instead, the rest is just reflexes.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Have never been in Georgia though.

Many decades ago, I lived in Atlanta briefly. I was very young, like 4. Even at that age, I observed the KKK, racism, and saw a Black male teen who had been stabbed lying on the sidewalk in a business/shop area, possibly downtown. There were many White people around and no one was willing to do anything to save him or even call an ambulance. My mother flipped out due to the unwillingness of the people present to save the teen's life and she ran around, finally found a store owner who was willing to call an ambulance but there was some kind of reluctance there. It was told to me that the young guy died on the way to the hospital in the ambulance. Well, that story was different people. Maybe it's not relevant, but you are talking about locations and what you hear about them. So there's a story for you. ... ... ... I will add--in the case of Arbery being shot, according to Bryan, Travis McMichael stood over Arbery after he had shot him and said, "fucking nigger." While that claim by fellow assailant Bryan seems consistent with the kind of mentality of some people in Georgia in my experience, perhaps this claim is unsubstantiated or debunked. It also isn't necessarily indicative of malicious intent prior to shooting, but it may speak to a state of mind or warped thinking and racism and might have played a role. ... ... ... So what are your thoughts on this?

 

[Elixir]

…he died because he decided that attacking a guy with a loaded gun was a best strategy to get out of the situation he was in. .

He died because he was hunted down and murdered by three racist thugs. You have no reason to think any other decision he could have made would have produced a different outcome. It’s not like he had the option of becoming white for the occasion, and that’s the only thing that might have saved him.

 

[barbos]

Many decades ago, I lived in Atlanta briefly

Oh, I was in Atlanta,,,, airport once. So technically I was in Georgia.

Travis McMichael stood over Arbery after he had shot him and said, "fucking nigger."

That's bad, but it happened after Arbery tried to get his gun but failed.
And I don't dispute habitual racism but that does not amount to lynching blacks.

 

[barbos]

…he died because he decided that attacking a guy with a loaded gun was a best strategy to get out of the situation he was in. .

He died because he was hunted down and murdered by three racist thugs. You have no reason to think any other decision he could have made would have produced a different outcome. It’s not like he had the option of becoming white for the occasion, and that’s the only thing that might have saved him.

That's not what video shows.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I am not the one changing the subject here.
The subject here is what was that?
And the answer is: it was not lynching, he was not a jogger and he died because he decided that attacking a guy with a loaded gun was a best strategy to get out of the situation he was in. Yes these 3 rednecks created that situation, they thought the guy would submit to their demands, but he attacked them instead, the rest is just reflexes.

He did not have to submit to their demands and doing so still could have ended his life.

Many decades ago, I lived in Atlanta briefly

Oh, I was in Atlanta,,,, airport once. So technically I was in Georgia.

Travis McMichael stood over Arbery after he had shot him and said, "fucking nigger."

That's bad, but it happened after Arbery tried to get his gun but failed.
And I don't dispute habitual racism but that does not amount to lynching blacks.

But it speaks to state of mind and warped thinking, right?

 

[Elixir]

You forgot; Arbery tried to get the gun after he was hunted down and surrounded by three racist thugs.