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Stephen Breyer to retire at the end of this court session.

Ok, now I can't drink any fluids until he's replaced to prevent perpetual spit takes while Republicans complain.
 
Really, the GOP won SCOTUS, they don't need to interfere especially if it is a liberal judge. Now, if Thomas passed away, the GOP would be a tad bit more interested in interfering any legal or extra-legal way they could. But get ready for people being upset that white males aren't being considered and therefore reverse racism.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
But get ready for people being upset that white males aren't being considered and therefore reverse racism.
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I know exactly what you mean, and that (as you know) there's really no such thing as reverse racism--there's simply racism.
But.
That said, I'm not 100% happy that Biden pre-announced his commitment to specifically confirming a black woman to the SC if given the chance to seat a justice.
Now, to be sure, personally, I'm gleefully looking forward to a YOUNG liberal justice, one as far left as they can force into the spot.

I just don't like the quota square-filling, not any more than I'd have liked it if Trump had specifically vowed to seat a white male justice if given the chance.
 
LoAmmo said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
But get ready for people being upset that white males aren't being considered and therefore reverse racism.
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I know exactly what you mean, and that (as you know) there's really no such thing as reverse racism--there's simply racism.
But.
That said, I'm not 100% happy that Biden pre-announced his commitment to specifically confirming a black woman to the SC if given the chance to seat a justice.
Now, to be sure, personally, I'm gleefully looking forward to a YOUNG liberal justice, one as far left as they can force into the spot.

I just don't like the quota square-filling, not any more than I'd have liked it if Trump had specifically vowed to seat a white male justice if given the chance.
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The fact is that the supreme court is, much like any body that is generally improved by well sourced perspective, needing of those responsible for filling it to fill it with perspectives so eclectic. This means focusing on new candidates of underrepresented backgrounds.

As much as you might not like needing to "check the box" we need representation of many walks that have seats of power who are more than "token".

Putting a non-white non-male there, especially the right one, is more needful than white or male.
 
Jarhyn said:
LoAmmo said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
But get ready for people being upset that white males aren't being considered and therefore reverse racism.
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I know exactly what you mean, and that (as you know) there's really no such thing as reverse racism--there's simply racism.
But.
That said, I'm not 100% happy that Biden pre-announced his commitment to specifically confirming a black woman to the SC if given the chance to seat a justice.
Now, to be sure, personally, I'm gleefully looking forward to a YOUNG liberal justice, one as far left as they can force into the spot.

I just don't like the quota square-filling, not any more than I'd have liked it if Trump had specifically vowed to seat a white male justice if given the chance.
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The fact is that the supreme court is, much like any body that is generally improved by well sourced perspective, needing of those responsible for filling it to fill it with perspectives so eclectic. This means focusing on new candidates of underrepresented backgrounds.

As much as you might not like needing to "check the box" we need representation of many walks that have seats of power who are more than "token".

Putting a non-white non-male there, especially the right one, is more needful than white or male.
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It’s my understanding black women think differently than white men. From this I would surmise they would be inclined to ask questions that wouldn’t occur to a white man. In other words, yeah, “eclectic perspectives”.
 
LoAmmo said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
But get ready for people being upset that white males aren't being considered and therefore reverse racism.
Click to expand...
I know exactly what you mean, and that (as you know) there's really no such thing as reverse racism--there's simply racism.
But.
That said, I'm not 100% happy that Biden pre-announced his commitment to specifically confirming a black woman to the SC if given the chance to seat a justice.
Now, to be sure, personally, I'm gleefully looking forward to a YOUNG liberal justice, one as far left as they can force into the spot.

I just don't like the quota square-filling, not any more than I'd have liked it if Trump had specifically vowed to seat a white male justice if given the chance.
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The idea that Biden putting a black woman on SCOTUS sounds quite bad, when you think about the selection process. The exclusion of other races and genders seems pretty bad.

But on the other hand 0 black women have ever been nominated to serve on the Supreme Court of the United States. Heck, she'll be only the third black person to be nominated in the history of our country. The first one was nominated in 1967. It would take about 25 years for the next, and more than another 30 for the anticipated third. So in that perspective, who fucking cares?!
 
TV and credit cards said:
Jarhyn said:
LoAmmo said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
But get ready for people being upset that white males aren't being considered and therefore reverse racism.
Click to expand...
I know exactly what you mean, and that (as you know) there's really no such thing as reverse racism--there's simply racism.
But.
That said, I'm not 100% happy that Biden pre-announced his commitment to specifically confirming a black woman to the SC if given the chance to seat a justice.
Now, to be sure, personally, I'm gleefully looking forward to a YOUNG liberal justice, one as far left as they can force into the spot.

I just don't like the quota square-filling, not any more than I'd have liked it if Trump had specifically vowed to seat a white male justice if given the chance.
Click to expand...
The fact is that the supreme court is, much like any body that is generally improved by well sourced perspective, needing of those responsible for filling it to fill it with perspectives so eclectic. This means focusing on new candidates of underrepresented backgrounds.

As much as you might not like needing to "check the box" we need representation of many walks that have seats of power who are more than "token".

Putting a non-white non-male there, especially the right one, is more needful than white or male.
Click to expand...
It’s my understanding black women think differently than white men. From this I would surmise they would be inclined to ask questions that wouldn’t occur to a white man. In other words, yeah, “eclectic perspectives”.
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I'll let Leslie Jones or Wanda Sykes take up that line. I ain't touching it with a 40-ft pole.
 
I'm not comfortable with using race and gender as a criterion for considering an appointment to the Supreme Court. That's why I've never been happy about such appointments my entire life, not to mention being happy about all the appointments ever made in the past. If it were another white male, Biden would be criticized for his racial choice and gender choice. If it were a black male, he would be criticized for his racial choice and gender choice. He could have just kept his mouth shut about his intentions and biases and just appointed a black woman, but he wanted to use it as a way to help get him elected--same as Trump promising to appoint anti-abortion justices, which boy did he ever. This new appointment will be competent and liberal. That's what really concerns me. The court needs more balance, and I don't particularly care what kind of package it comes in.
 
Copernicus said:
He could have just kept his mouth shut about his intentions and biases and just appointed a black woman
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^ that
Biden is a crap orator and is surprisingly naive about reading the political landscape. It will be a forkin’ miracle if he gets re-elected.
 
Elixir said:
Copernicus said:
He could have just kept his mouth shut about his intentions and biases and just appointed a black woman
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^ that
Biden is a crap orator and is surprisingly naive about reading the political landscape. It will be a forkin’ miracle if he gets re-elected.
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Biden has always been a poor orator and, worse, a gaffe machine. After four years of Trump, he didn't need to be a brilliant orator, and he did have more experience than any of the other candidates, most of whom were much better speakers. I'm not sure that any of them could have beaten Trump as well as Biden did, and I don't think that any of the others would have done better in getting legislation passed and damage repaired than he did in his first year. He isn't really capable of saving the Democratic Party from itself in an off-year election, so I'm not going to blame him too much for losing both the House and the Senate, if that happens. He is in a no-win job and has insufficient votes in Congress to pass his more ambitious proposals. He is really too old for the job and won't be in a good position to beat just about any Republican other than Donald Trump, if Trump to choose to run again. I agree that it would be a miracle for him to get re-elected, but I'm struggling to find a Democrat that I think will have a better chance in a country that is so hopelessly gerrymandered for conservative candidates by the electoral college system.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
TV and credit cards said:
Jarhyn said:
LoAmmo said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
But get ready for people being upset that white males aren't being considered and therefore reverse racism.
Click to expand...
I know exactly what you mean, and that (as you know) there's really no such thing as reverse racism--there's simply racism.
But.
That said, I'm not 100% happy that Biden pre-announced his commitment to specifically confirming a black woman to the SC if given the chance to seat a justice.
Now, to be sure, personally, I'm gleefully looking forward to a YOUNG liberal justice, one as far left as they can force into the spot.

I just don't like the quota square-filling, not any more than I'd have liked it if Trump had specifically vowed to seat a white male justice if given the chance.
Click to expand...
The fact is that the supreme court is, much like any body that is generally improved by well sourced perspective, needing of those responsible for filling it to fill it with perspectives so eclectic. This means focusing on new candidates of underrepresented backgrounds.

As much as you might not like needing to "check the box" we need representation of many walks that have seats of power who are more than "token".

Putting a non-white non-male there, especially the right one, is more needful than white or male.
Click to expand...
It’s my understanding black women think differently than white men. From this I would surmise they would be inclined to ask questions that wouldn’t occur to a white man. In other words, yeah, “eclectic perspectives”.
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I'll let Leslie Jones or Wanda Sykes take up that line. I ain't touching it with a 40-ft pole.
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Black women have lived a different perspective on society, generally, than white men.

Eclectic perspectives.

It doesn't even mean they think differently, though there have been some deep brain tensor imaging studies that indicate that some processes do happen differently across gender. Race, not so much.

It does mean that they have different thoughts on account of being treated differently by the world.

It is the perspective exactly on treatment that I find so valuable.
 
Copernicus said:
Elixir said:
Copernicus said:
He could have just kept his mouth shut about his intentions and biases and just appointed a black woman
Click to expand...
^ that
Biden is a crap orator and is surprisingly naive about reading the political landscape. It will be a forkin’ miracle if he gets re-elected.
Click to expand...
Biden has always been a poor orator and, worse, a gaffe machine. After four years of Trump, he didn't need to be a brilliant orator, and he did have more experience than any of the other candidates, most of whom were much better speakers. I'm not sure that any of them could have beaten Trump as well as Biden did, and I don't think that any of the others would have done better in getting legislation passed and damage repaired than he did in his first year. He isn't really capable of saving the Democratic Party from itself in an off-year election, so I'm not going to blame him too much for losing both the House and the Senate, if that happens. He is in a no-win job and has insufficient votes in Congress to pass his more ambitious proposals. He is really too old for the job and won't be in a good position to beat just about any Republican other than Donald Trump, if Trump to choose to run again. I agree that it would be a miracle for him to get re-elected, but I'm struggling to find a Democrat that I think will have a better chance in a country that is so hopelessly gerrymandered for conservative candidates by the electoral college system.
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Well, Biden was capable of getting elected and is a decent human being. I don't think Sanders had a hope of a prayer of a chance and I think Warren would have been a real toss up. Not because Warren wouldn't have been an excellent choice but because she's female and a for a lot of people, including some fairly left leaning people, that's just a bridge too far. They would NEVER say that and don't believe that's what they think but I've never heard them offer anything but criticism for any prominent female with presidential aspirations. Now, some years down the line if they can convince Katie Porter to run, that will be a real litmus test. I hope she does run.

That said, all the prominent candidates for POTUS in 2020 were too old: DJT, Sanders, Biden, and Warren, with Warren seeming the most hale and hearty of the pack. She could run rings around all of them. Literally, I think. Even Biden who is in pretty good shape for his age.

Harris was up there as well but I think that she would never have overcome the double whammy of skin color plus gender. Mayor Pete? Nope. Lots of my queer friendly leftist friends and family were fairly outraged by some of his actions as mayor. Again, a bridge too far.

Personally, I don't consider age, skin color or sexual orientation to be a bridge too far to vote for any of the candidates I mentioned. DJT was unacceptable for obvious reasons that became even more obvious every single day he was in power. Sanders is too old and isn't able to work well with anyone except the young people who are charmed by the idea of a grumpy old man mentoring them.
 
Toni said:
Now, some years down the line if they can convince Katie Porter to run, that will be a real litmus test. I hope she does run.
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Amen.
I am afraid we missed our chance.
Sanders would have won handily against the pants-crapping mob boss in 2016. But the Dem Party machine threw away the chance; they do not support progressives.
 
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