Covid-19 miscellany

[Jarhyn]

People who are asymptomatic but know they have an infectious disease are not 'free to do as they please' and I never said or implied it.

Have you never once heard the phrase uttered "no cop, no stop"?

No. I don't know what it means.

Read the words. There are only four there.

Ask if you need a hint.

No.

So we are at "doesn't look like anything to me". Got it.

 

[Metaphor]

People who are asymptomatic but know they have an infectious disease are not 'free to do as they please' and I never said or implied it.

Have you never once heard the phrase uttered "no cop, no stop"?

No. I don't know what it means.

Read the words. There are only four there.

Ask if you need a hint.

No.

So we are at "doesn't look like anything to me". Got it.

We are at: I explained I had not heard your phrase. Then you, as the American chauvinist you are, decided there was an onus on me to figure out your American slang, instead of the onus being on you to explain yourself.

Now, I looked up the phrase and I understand what you are trying to imply, and even though you are hopelessly wrong to use that as an objection to my position, I'm not going to discuss things on your condescending, demanding terms. Sorry luv.

 

[Jarhyn]

People who are asymptomatic but know they have an infectious disease are not 'free to do as they please' and I never said or implied it.

Have you never once heard the phrase uttered "no cop, no stop"?

No. I don't know what it means.

Read the words. There are only four there.

Ask if you need a hint.

No.

So we are at "doesn't look like anything to me". Got it.

We are at: I explained I had not heard your phrase. Then you, as the American chauvinist you are, decided there was an onus on me to figure out your American slang, instead of the onus being on you to explain yourself.

Now, I looked up the phrase and I understand what you are trying to imply, and even though you are hopelessly wrong to use that as an objection to my position, I'm not going to discuss things on your condescending, demanding terms. Sorry luv.

It's four simple words strung together in plain english. Given the context it should be very simple.

The fact is, if there's nobody to enforce it, they actually ARE free to do as they please.

 

[Metaphor]

People who are asymptomatic but know they have an infectious disease are not 'free to do as they please' and I never said or implied it.

Have you never once heard the phrase uttered "no cop, no stop"?

No. I don't know what it means.

Read the words. There are only four there.

Ask if you need a hint.

No.

So we are at "doesn't look like anything to me". Got it.

We are at: I explained I had not heard your phrase. Then you, as the American chauvinist you are, decided there was an onus on me to figure out your American slang, instead of the onus being on you to explain yourself.

Now, I looked up the phrase and I understand what you are trying to imply, and even though you are hopelessly wrong to use that as an objection to my position, I'm not going to discuss things on your condescending, demanding terms. Sorry luv.

It's four simple words strung together in plain english. Given the context it should be very simple.

The fact is, if there's nobody to enforce it, they actually ARE free to do as they please.

Yes. All countries in the world rely on a mixture of judicial enforcement and the honour system, because neither alone is sufficient to run a functioning society.

I also just took a sip of water and confirmed that it was wet.

EDIT: You did two things wrong. You used American slang without explaining it (I know it's difficult to understand there are people in the world who are not Americans), and then, when your American chauvinist behaviour was explained to you, you doubled down and insisted that I be the one to decode your statement, and you did so with unnecessary condescension.

 

[Toni]

Nope. As you've pointed out, in parts of Queensland, 90% of the people who had COVID didn't know it. If they had been vaccinated, they are far less likely to have been infected in the first place or infectious.

That's how vaccinations work.

The current vaccine works well to reduce the severity of disease and likelihood of death from omicron, but I do not know about what percentage of the people on the Gold Coast who tested positive were vaccinated.

Random COVID tests to be conducted after survey finds up to 90pc of positive cases don't know they have it

Two surveys conducted on the Gold Coast late last month reveal more people are living with the virus than reported, with authorities to conduct random tests this weekend to better understand the pandemic's extent.

www.abc.net.au

Most people in the study with mild or no symptoms were fully vaccinated.

This indicates that the vaccine has the possible effect of making infected people asymptomatic when they otherwise would not have been, and an asymptomatic person with omicron is surely more likely to not know they have it and be out and about versus a symptomatic person who at least has some reason to believe they may have omicron.

Yes, abs you can still die in a car accident even if you wear a seatbelt. That doesn’t make wearing a seatbelt useless.

Being fully vaccinated protects against being infected in the first place. Fewer people are infected because many are vaccinated. If enough people were vaccinated, we would reach herd immunity. Infections, especially symptomatic infections would be relatively rare.

Kids could go to school safely. People with compromised immune systems would be more safe from infection. Health care workers would be less exhausted. Front line workers could feel more secure. And so on.

 

[Jarhyn]

People who are asymptomatic but know they have an infectious disease are not 'free to do as they please' and I never said or implied it.

Have you never once heard the phrase uttered "no cop, no stop"?

No. I don't know what it means.

Read the words. There are only four there.

Ask if you need a hint.

No.

So we are at "doesn't look like anything to me". Got it.

We are at: I explained I had not heard your phrase. Then you, as the American chauvinist you are, decided there was an onus on me to figure out your American slang, instead of the onus being on you to explain yourself.

Now, I looked up the phrase and I understand what you are trying to imply, and even though you are hopelessly wrong to use that as an objection to my position, I'm not going to discuss things on your condescending, demanding terms. Sorry luv.

It's four simple words strung together in plain english. Given the context it should be very simple.

The fact is, if there's nobody to enforce it, they actually ARE free to do as they please.

Yes. All countries in the world rely on a mixture of judicial enforcement and the honour system, because neither alone is sufficient to run a functioning society.

I also just took a sip of water and confirmed that it was wet.

So, do the math and string together a couple simple ideas:

You seek the reality that NOBODY enforce ANY measure to contain a highly contagious disease.

Zero enforcement.

Just say "hey guys purdy pleez" and then do nothing about making that happen.

We so far have as facts: vaccination reduces deaths AND transmissivity.

Evil, fucked up people's desire to go forth and watch the world burn.

That some people aren't knowingly to themselves evil and fucked up, they are just so calloused to the needs of others that they are blind to the fact that their conduct is unacceptably reckless.

The fact that ignorant people of any stripe can be driven around by fucked up people, or just fall in with those who enable reckless behavior blindly

And finally:

All of the above, with no enforcement, will, and in fact have, blithely ignored the request and then resisted the instantiation of enforcement.

And for all of the above the active philosophy is no cop no stop.

 

[Metaphor]

Yes, abs you can still die in a car accident even if you wear a seatbelt. That doesn’t make wearing a seatbelt useless.

Being fully vaccinated protects against being infected in the first place. Fewer people are infected because many are vaccinated. If enough people were vaccinated, we would reach herd immunity. Infections, especially symptomatic infections would be relatively rare.

Kids could go to school safely. People with compromised immune systems would be more safe from infection. Health care workers would be less exhausted. Front line workers could feel more secure. And so on.

And...so what? I am not against herd immunity. I am against the government forcing medical procedures on unconsenting adults, solely for the benefit of others.

 

[Metaphor]

So, do the math and string together a couple simple ideas:

You seek the reality that NOBODY enforce ANY measure to contain a highly contagious disease.

Where did you get that idea? People in Australia have been prosecuted for violating isolation when they've had COVID, and I agree that if you are infectious and break isolation you should be punished.

 

[ZiprHead]

And...so what? I am not against herd immunity. I am against the government forcing medical procedures on unconsenting adults, solely for the benefit of others.

Why do you keep repeating this bullshit?

 

[Patooka]

And...so what? I am not against herd immunity. I am against the government forcing medical procedures on unconsenting adults, solely for the benefit of others.

It's geniuses like yourself that forced governments to enforce seatbelt mandates and drink driving legislation back in the day. I have full confidence the distinction will be lost on you.

 

[Metaphor]

And...so what? I am not against herd immunity. I am against the government forcing medical procedures on unconsenting adults, solely for the benefit of others.

Why do you keep repeating this bullshit?

I have explained many times. If unvaccinated people thought getting vaccinated was a net benefit to them, they'd already be vaccinated. Therefore, they value the feeling of not being vaccinated more than the benefits of vaccination. To vaccinate them against their will is to do so solely for the benefit of other people. In fact, it beggars belief that you could be denying this: the benefit to others is the justification people are using to vaccinate people against their will.

 

[Metaphor]

And...so what? I am not against herd immunity. I am against the government forcing medical procedures on unconsenting adults, solely for the benefit of others.

It's geniuses like yourself that forced governments to enforce seatbelt mandates and drink driving legislation back in the day. I have full confidence the distinction will be lost on you.

It's [removed] that equates drink-driving laws with being unvaccinated.

 

[crazyfingers]

So, do the math and string together a couple simple ideas:

You seek the reality that NOBODY enforce ANY measure to contain a highly contagious disease.

Where did you get that idea? People in Australia have been prosecuted for violating isolation when they've had COVID, and I agree that if you are infectious and break isolation you should be punished.

I did not intend to like this post. My tablet is too sensitive when I attempt to scroll on the right.

 

[Patooka]

It's [removed] that equates drink-driving laws with being unvaccinated.

One of these days you're going to come across the idea that your rights end the second you place someone else at risk.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

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Nope.
Sorry, qunt.

And it says "pray for me". It's not admitting she was wrong. Turn that finger around.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The vaccine is ‘not solely for the benefit of others.’

Explaining this a zillion times and still having people repeat the nonsense gets really frustrating.

Herd immunity will benefit everyone, hugely. Vaccination, however imperfect, is our best shot at achieving herd immunity.

Current vaccines aren't capable of giving us herd immunity against Omicron. All they can do is save us from a lack of hospital beds.

 

[Metaphor]

It's [removed] that equates drink-driving laws with being unvaccinated.

One of these days you're going to come across the idea that your rights end the second you place someone else at risk.

All existence endangers other existence. I could choose to drive to the grocery store right now, and there is some nonzero chance that I will accidentally strike and kill a child with my car by doing so. And yet, I have the right to drive to the grocery store right now.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It is solely for the benefit of other people. Protection against COVID is of course a benefit to the person who was forced to get the vaccine, but overall it's a net loss to them. They valued not getting the vaccine (for whatever reason) more than getting it. That's why they didn't get it.

The problem is they are seriously misinformed and they're endangering the rest of us in the process by overloading the healthcare system.

 

[Toni]

The vaccine is ‘not solely for the benefit of others.’

Explaining this a zillion times and still having people repeat the nonsense gets really frustrating.

Herd immunity will benefit everyone, hugely. Vaccination, however imperfect, is our best shot at achieving herd immunity.

Current vaccines aren't capable of giving us herd immunity against Omicron. All they can do is save us from a lack of hospital beds.

Yes, thanks to all of the Covidiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Unvaccinated people have allowed COVID to continue mutating.

 

[Metaphor]

It is solely for the benefit of other people. Protection against COVID is of course a benefit to the person who was forced to get the vaccine, but overall it's a net loss to them. They valued not getting the vaccine (for whatever reason) more than getting it. That's why they didn't get it.

The problem is they are seriously misinformed and they're endangering the rest of us in the process by overloading the healthcare system.

Some of them are misinformed. Some of them think God will protect them. I do not evaluate the reasons somebody decides not to have a medical procedure done to them.