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A Missouri Republican has introduced a bill that would require women seeking abortion care to first get written, notarized permission from the father before they are legally allowed to have the procedure. Exceptions, according to the bill’s sponsor, will only be made for life endangerment and victims who become pregnant from “legitimate rape.”

As Molly Redden at Mother Jones reported Wednesday, the bill was actually filed earlier this month and is slated for next year’s legislative session. The measure, introduced by state Rep. Rick Brattin reads, “No abortion shall be performed or induced unless and until the father of the unborn child provides written, notarized consent to the abortion.”

Of the exception for “legitimate rape,” Brattin explained to Redden that he apparently doesn’t mean it the way that his fellow Missourian Todd Akin meant it when the words effectively ended his political career. In what seems to be an attempt to preempt and criticism and, you know, let the public know that he means legitimate legitimate rape, Brattin told Redden, “Just like any rape, you have to report it, and you have to prove it,” he said. “So you couldn’t just go and say, ‘Oh yeah, I was raped,’ and get an abortion. It has to be a legitimate rape.
http://www.salon.com/2014/12/17/you...on/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

And just when my migraine was letting up.
 
This is great. I can just sign all the notes. Even the ones for illegitimate rape.
 
I am surprised no one has yet figured out a way to say "legally defined rape" instead of legitimate legitimate rape.

The obvious course is to have someone bring Rick Brattin a consent form and ask him to sign it. After all, what's he going to say, "I didn't do it." We'll be expecting some proof.
 
A Missouri Republican has introduced a bill that would require women seeking abortion care to first get written, notarized permission from the father before they are legally allowed to have the procedure. Exceptions, according to the bill’s sponsor, will only be made for life endangerment and victims who become pregnant from “legitimate rape.”

As Molly Redden at Mother Jones reported Wednesday, the bill was actually filed earlier this month and is slated for next year’s legislative session. The measure, introduced by state Rep. Rick Brattin reads, “No abortion shall be performed or induced unless and until the father of the unborn child provides written, notarized consent to the abortion.”

Of the exception for “legitimate rape,” Brattin explained to Redden that he apparently doesn’t mean it the way that his fellow Missourian Todd Akin meant it when the words effectively ended his political career. In what seems to be an attempt to preempt and criticism and, you know, let the public know that he means legitimate legitimate rape, Brattin told Redden, “Just like any rape, you have to report it, and you have to prove it,” he said. “So you couldn’t just go and say, ‘Oh yeah, I was raped,’ and get an abortion. It has to be a legitimate rape.
http://www.salon.com/2014/12/17/you...on/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

And just when my migraine was letting up.

Of course it is necessary for a man to give permission. Just as some believe a man must also give permission on order for a woman to continue a pregnancy if she wants him to participate in any way, including honoring financial obligations in raising the child.

It's all about controlling women. Everybody knows that's a job for a man.
 
Not surprised.

In many states, a married woman needs written permission from her husband to have her tubes tied.

After all, she's his brood mare and she can't do anything about the reproductive qualities she brings to the marriage without his OK.

Why not make all women brood mares who need a man's permission to control their sexuality?

*sigh*

Where do I go to let my displeasure be known?
 
get out . . . did they really put the words "legitimate rape" in the bill?

lol

freakin' loons
 

Of course it is necessary for a man to give permission. Just as some believe a man must also give permission on order for a woman to continue a pregnancy if she wants him to participate in any way, including honoring financial obligations in raising the child.

It's all about controlling women. Everybody knows that's a job for a man.

The religious right has never been able to overcome the "rape and incest" exception found in all abortion restrictions. All their anti-abortion arguments stumble on R&I. It prevents them from consolidating the GOP. It's a middle class safety valve kind of thing. It allows a girl to graduate high school or college on time and no one asks personal questions. A good upstanding conservative and be against abortion, but keep his fingers crossed. One finger is rape and the other is incest.

Of course, anyone who has a just a bit of moral philosophy reading knows an infant, at any stage of development is not responsible for its conception. It's a little strange to see solid conservatives agree to kill a baby, just so all that tuition won't go to waste, but it's a practical decision.

The "legitimate rape" pitfall that religious conservatives can't seem to avoid is as campaign aimed at less than religious conservatives. They want to chisel away at the rape exception, by demonstrating how few pregnancies are the result of rape. They are trying to pull down the curtain that the Republican base keeps tightly closed.
 
I find it a disingenuous straw man of the position of a man's right to not be a father to say it demands abortions be had, or that it has anything to do with this disgusting piece of legislation.

The position that EITHER parent should have the right to decide they are t ready for the obligations associated with having children is a valid one. And IF a woman decides for herself that she would like to be a parent anyway, then it's up to the society that allows that to figure out how to make it happen, without shattering any one specific person's ability to chart the course of their own life.

At the end of the day, however, the decision to have an abortion rests, at LEAST with the mother, because a pregnancy is a risk to her life, and puts upon HER time.

So please apologise about the insistence that any other position in support of men's freedom has anything to do with this steaming pile of evil.
 
"Legitimate rape"???

What behavior is supposed to justify rape to make it legitimate? And wouldn't it make more sense to permit abortion when there wasn't a legitimate reason for the rape in the first place??
 
What behavior is supposed to justify rape to make it legitimate? And wouldn't it make more sense to permit abortion when there wasn't a legitimate reason for the rape in the first place??
An unfortunate turn of phrase as it is commonly misunderstood. It means what Whoopi Goldberg calls "rape rape" and excludes things like so-called statutory "rape" or regretted hookups.
 
So, Derec, an under-aged girl who is made pregnant by some old man isn't allowed to have an abortion unless he gives his permission, even though he broke the law in having sex with her?.
 
"Legitimate rape"???

What behavior is supposed to justify rape to make it legitimate? And wouldn't it make more sense to permit abortion when there wasn't a legitimate reason for the rape in the first place??

You know, she could have had the Chicken Parmesan, but ordered the lobster and an appetizer.
 
So, Derec, an under-aged girl who is made pregnant by some old man isn't allowed to have an abortion unless he gives his permission, even though he broke the law in having sex with her?.
I did not write in favor of such abortion restrictions. I merely clarified what they mean by "legitimate rape" for Loren.

As far as "old man and underage girl", the more common type of statutory "rape" is a guy who is only a few years older than a girl just below age of consent. If an 18 year old and his 17 year old girlfriend have consensual sex in California (age of consent 18, no real "Romeo and Juliet" protections for people close in age) do you really think she can legitimately be described as a "rape victim"?
 
So, Derec, an under-aged girl who is made pregnant by some old man isn't allowed to have an abortion unless he gives his permission, even though he broke the law in having sex with her?.
I did not write in favor of such abortion restrictions. I merely clarified what they mean by "legitimate rape" for Loren.

As far as "old man and underage girl", the more common type of statutory "rape" is a guy who is only a few years older than a girl just below age of consent. If an 18 year old and his 17 year old girlfriend have consensual sex in California (age of consent 18, no real "Romeo and Juliet" protections for people close in age) do you really think she can legitimately be described as a "rape victim"?

As I am sure you are aware, I think so-called "Romeo and Juliet" exceptions should be mandatory in every state. I do not agree that it is "statutory rape" when a couple is close in age and one of them turns 18.

Are you agreeing that the old man - young girl example I gave is not "legitimate" rape? Or just explaining something you disagree with?
 
What behavior is supposed to justify rape to make it legitimate? And wouldn't it make more sense to permit abortion when there wasn't a legitimate reason for the rape in the first place??
An unfortunate turn of phrase as it is commonly misunderstood. It means what Whoopi Goldberg calls "rape rape" and excludes things like so-called statutory "rape" or regretted hookups.

Yep, because what 12 year old who is impregnated by a 20 something year old shouldn't be forced to carry that pregnancy to term? And then to be forced to either raise the child, as is her own just punishment, or to give the child up, as is also a fitting punishment. If she's big enough, she's old enough, right.

Please be at least disingenuous enough to admit that what is meant by 'legitimate rape' is where a virgin is abducted at gun or knife point, dragged into a dark alleyway and raped by some enormous black man. Anything else is just 'regretted but completely consensual' sex.
 
Yep, because what 12 year old who is impregnated by a 20 something year old shouldn't be forced to carry that pregnancy to term? And then to be forced to either raise the child, as is her own just punishment, or to give the child up, as is also a fitting punishment. If she's big enough, she's old enough, right.
17 year olds having sex is much more common than 12 year olds.
Also, if it's a 12 year old boy and a 20 year old woman, she gets to have custody and he has to pay her child support until he turns 30. Is that ok?

Please be at least disingenuous enough to admit that what is meant by 'legitimate rape' is where a virgin is abducted at gun or knife point, dragged into a dark alleyway and raped by some enormous black man. Anything else is just 'regretted but completely consensual' sex.
Nonsense and you know it.
 
As I am sure you are aware, I think so-called "Romeo and Juliet" exceptions should be mandatory in every state. I do not agree that it is "statutory rape" when a couple is close in age and one of them turns 18.
That's what the statutory "rape" is though in most cases.

Are you agreeing that the old man - young girl example I gave is not "legitimate" rape? Or just explaining something you disagree with?
Depends on whether the girl consents and how old she is.
 
17 year olds having sex is much more common than 12 year olds.
Also, if it's a 12 year old boy and a 20 year old woman, she gets to have custody and he has to pay her child support until he turns 30. Is that ok?

If you've ever paid even a small bit of attention, you know that I do not think that is ok. I believe that the 12 year old is the victim and that the rapist should be entitled to neither custody of the child nor child support. Mary Kay Letourneau should never have been allowed near her victim after her crimes were discovered, and she should never have been able to have custody of the child which was a product of rape.

Please be at least disingenuous enough to admit that what is meant by 'legitimate rape' is where a virgin is abducted at gun or knife point, dragged into a dark alleyway and raped by some enormous black man. Anything else is just 'regretted but completely consensual' sex.
Nonsense and you know it.

I know no such thing. You are very quick to insist that when victim and rapist are acquainted, the sex was consensual and merely regretted later by the woman.
 
get out . . . did they really put the words "legitimate rape" in the bill?
Actually, no. That wording was just part of the explanation by the guy who proposed the bill. Text of the bill (PDF) states:
13. No abortion shall be performed or induced unless and until the father of the unborn child provides written, notarized consent to the abortion, except in cases in which the woman upon whom the abortion is to be performed or induced was the victim of rape or incest and the pregnancy resulted from the rape or incest. If the father of the unborn child is deceased, the woman upon whom the abortion is to be performed or induced shall sign a notarized affidavit attesting to the fact. No physician shall perform or induce an abortion unless and until the physician has obtained the written consent required in this subsection. The physician shall retain a copy of the consent or affidavit in the patient’s medical record.
 
As far as "old man and underage girl", the more common type of statutory "rape" is a guy who is only a few years older than a girl just below age of consent.
Do you have link to the statistics on statutory rape accusations or convictions by age?
 
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