Texas Cop Nathanial Robinson Uses Stun Gun On Elderly Man Over Inspection Sticker

[Jimmy Higgins]

So would you prefer 'dubious as to whether the guy realized he was being pulled over.' Because he wasn't acting like someone being pulled over.
He was aware of the cop and the lights but he may not have realized the cop was there for HIM. He was still intent on taking that paper into the dealership when the cop approached him. Not presenting license and registration and was taken by surprise by the cop grabbing at it.

First let me point out that there were people here claiming the cops lights were not on. This is effectively calling the old guy a liar. Because the old guy said they were on.

For the record, he says:

Sergeant: What happened?

Vasquez: Nothing happened. I'm just driving down the business. ... He come behind me, put his damn lights on. He said you don't have a sticker, but I have a state license plate in there. It's supposed to be exempt.

Your position is that Vasquez was not aware the cop was pulling him over? If a cop pulled up behind you, turned his lights on, and followed behind you into a parking lot how would you interpret it?

It sounds like the cop put his lights on once they were in the Lot.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Your position is that Vasquez was not aware the cop was pulling him over?

I'm saying that by his behavior, he wasn't acting like someone who thought the cop was pulling him over for something he did, no.

If a cop pulled up behind you, turned his lights on, and followed behind you into a parking lot how would you interpret it?

Wait. Wait. Were the lights on before or after they got into the lot? When he said 'he come up behind me' does that mean in the street or at the dealership? Before or after the cop car was stationary? How would you determine the exact timeline and when Vasquez knew, or should have known, or it would be reasonable to expect that Vasquez was aware of the cop's interest in his actions?
Because still, he looked suprised when the cop came up to him.

 

[dismal]

I'm saying that by his behavior, he wasn't acting like someone who thought the cop was pulling him over for something he did, no.

I agree. Indeed this was my original point. He did not act the way we are told to act when pulled over by a cop.

I have no idea when the lights were on. I don't think it matters. A reasonable person in Vasquez's situation would have understood themselves to have been pulled over by cop regardless of whether the lights came on before or after he turned into the lot.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm saying that by his behavior, he wasn't acting like someone who thought the cop was pulling him over for something he did, no.

I agree. Indeed this was my original point. He did not act the way we are told to act when pulled over by a cop.

I have no idea when the lights were on. I don't think it matters. A reasonable person in Vasquez's situation would have understood themselves to have been pulled over by cop regardless of whether the lights came on before or after he turned into the lot.

And at no point should age even come into discussion when it comes to what a person should be thinking in an unusual situation... ie, being pulled over... in a private parking lot at a Dealership.

 

[ZiprHead]

I'm saying that by his behavior, he wasn't acting like someone who thought the cop was pulling him over for something he did, no.

I agree. Indeed this was my original point. He did not act the way we are told to act when pulled over by a cop.

I have no idea when the lights were on. I don't think it matters. A reasonable person in Vasquez's situation would have understood themselves to have been pulled over by cop regardless of whether the lights came on before or after he turned into the lot.

A reasonable cop would not have acted the way this one did.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I agree. Indeed this was my original point. He did not act the way we are told to act when pulled over by a cop.

I have no idea when the lights were on. I don't think it matters. A reasonable person in Vasquez's situation would have understood themselves to have been pulled over by cop regardless of whether the lights came on before or after he turned into the lot.

A reasonable cop would not have acted the way this one did.

A cop shouldn't be expected to understand all the rules they are to enforce. A law abiding 70+ year old man should know that if he gets out of a car at the car dealership, he should expect to get tasered over a physical altercation started by the officer who thinks he is violating a rule he was not actually violating.

 

[Keith&Co.]

A reasonable person in Vasquez's situation would have understood themselves to have been pulled over by cop regardless of whether the lights came on before or after he turned into the lot.

Not at all.
When i've been pulled over, i've always ended up in a place that i did not intend to be at that particular time. Because of the cop. Side of the road, a parking lot, under an overpass, etc.

If i make it all the way to where i intended to be (such as the driveway of a dealership i'm delivering a car to), I am not going to assume that any cop in the vicinity is there to brace me.
In fact, the very fact that i completed my journey would probably make me assume his presence has nothing to do with me.

 

[ksen]

I agree. Indeed this was my original point. He did not act the way we are told to act when pulled over by a cop.

I have no idea when the lights were on. I don't think it matters. A reasonable person in Vasquez's situation would have understood themselves to have been pulled over by cop regardless of whether the lights came on before or after he turned into the lot.

A reasonable cop would not have acted the way this one did.

srsly, once the old guy pointed out the cop's error the officer should have said, "my bad" got in his car and left. Instead the officer got his peen all in a twist and had to prove his authority or whatever.

I thought these guys had to get mental screenings before being cut loose on the streets with loaded weapons?

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A reasonable person in Vasquez's situation would have understood themselves to have been pulled over by cop regardless of whether the lights came on before or after he turned into the lot.

So you're saying Vasquez was being unreasonable?

 

[dismal]

A reasonable person in Vasquez's situation would have understood themselves to have been pulled over by cop regardless of whether the lights came on before or after he turned into the lot.

Not at all.
When i've been pulled over, i've always ended up in a place that i did not intend to be at that particular time. Because of the cop. Side of the road, a parking lot, under an overpass, etc.

If i make it all the way to where i intended to be (such as the driveway of a dealership i'm delivering a car to), I am not going to assume that any cop in the vicinity is there to brace me.
In fact, the very fact that i completed my journey would probably make me assume his presence has nothing to do with me.

After a cop pulled behind you in a parking lot with his lights on? Really?

You'd be thinking "I wonder who this cop that pulled behind me and turned his lights on is here for"?

 

[dismal]

So you're saying Vasquez was being unreasonable?

I think anyone pulled over by a cop should generally stay in their car and avoid suspicious movements with their hands. This is what I was taught anyway.

 

[Underseer]

The police brutality is getting out of hand. It's like the whole nation is becoming some sick large scale version of the  Stanford prison experiment.

PS -- I deeply apologize to any conservatives or libertarians whose feelings were hurt by the fact that I am complaining about the state abusing its power over us. Of course, as proponents of Small Government, you are deeply offended by anyone who dares complain about this sort of thing, and I apologize for stepping on your delicate sensibilities.

 

[ksen]

So you're saying Vasquez was being unreasonable?

I think anyone pulled over by a cop should generally stay in their car and avoid suspicious movements with their hands. This is what I was taught anyway.

What did he do suspicious with his hands?

 

[ZiprHead]

I think anyone pulled over by a cop should generally stay in their car and avoid suspicious movements with their hands. This is what I was taught anyway.

What did he do suspicious with his hands?

Are you kidding? He could have given that cop a paper cut. Those hurt, you know.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

I think anyone pulled over by a cop should generally stay in their car and avoid suspicious movements with their hands. This is what I was taught anyway.

What did he do suspicious with his hands?

And what school teaches you how to act in front of the police?

 

[dismal]

What did he do suspicious with his hands?

And what school teaches you how to act in front of the police?

In my case driver's ed.

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I think anyone pulled over by a cop should generally stay in their car and avoid suspicious movements with their hands. This is what I was taught anyway.

What did he do suspicious with his hands?

You sure you don't want to ask about the gun I didn't say he had? If this is your style it seems like you dropped the ball there.

 

[Keith&Co.]

After a cop pulled behind you in a parking lot with his lights on?

Well, now we're back to whether he followed me with his lights on,
or pulled up behind me, then turned his lights on. One is on me, sure. The other may be for the address.

Seriously. For all i know there's a domestic dispute going on inside.
Maybe his being parked behind me is a coincidence.

I dunno. Maybe if i was black, i'd assume that they were after me, first, then look surprised if they walk past me into the dealership. Or if i was in the country illegally.

 

[dismal]

After a cop pulled behind you in a parking lot with his lights on?

Well, now we're back to whether he followed me with his lights on,
or pulled up behind me, then turned his lights on. One is on me, sure. The other may be for the address.

Seriously. For all i know there's a domestic dispute going on inside.
Maybe his being parked behind me is a coincidence.

I dunno. Maybe if i was black, i'd assume that they were after me, first, then look surprised if they walk past me into the dealership. Or if i was in the country illegally.

Every time I have had a copy behind me with his lights on I have had some level of anxiety he was coming for me. Even if it turned out he wasn't.

Unfortunately I have yet to experience a case where I pulled over and he parked behind me with his lights on that he wasn't.

 

[ksen]

dismal is right. The old man should have known what was going on and since he didn't present for the officer he shouldn't be surprised he got dragged to the ground, tased a couple times and cussed out.

 

[laughing dog]

I cannot decide which is more repulsive: the cop's misbehavior or the defense of his actions.

 

[dismal]

dismal is right. The old man should have known what was going on and since he didn't present for the officer he shouldn't be surprised he got dragged to the ground, tased a couple times and cussed out.

And the gun. Don't forget the gun.