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Texas Cop Nathanial Robinson Uses Stun Gun On Elderly Man Over Inspection Sticker

 
 
 
ksen said:
Oh, you mean the old man should have been surprised?
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I don't understand the question. I'm just trying to help you come up with more serious things I didn't say.

I seems like you're off your game. Could be making up better stuff.
 
I'm trying to figure out what to get my wife for christmas so I'm a little distracted.
 
dismal said:
Every time I have had a copy behind me with his lights on I have had some level of anxiety he was coming for me. Even if it turned out he wasn't.
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So it's possible the man's crime was that he was confident he hadn't done anything wrong. That's worthy of a taser, in your eyes.

I still think you're mischaracterizing Vasquez' situation. If he saw the cop, but didn't see lights come on until he was (or they both were) stopped at the dealership, he's not wrong for not behaving as someone 'pulled over by the copy.'
 
laughing dog said:
I cannot decide which is more repulsive: the cop's misbehavior or the defense of his actions.
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The defense of the cop's actions is more repulsive. The cop acted impulsively. The defenders have had plenty of time to consider the matter and are arguing in favor of needless and excessive force used against a man who hadn't done anything wrong.
 
Arctish said:
laughing dog said:
I cannot decide which is more repulsive: the cop's misbehavior or the defense of his actions.
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The defense of the cop's actions is more repulsive. The cop acted impulsively. The defenders have had plenty of time to consider the matter and are arguing in favor of needless and excessive force used against a man who hadn't done anything wrong.
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I'm not convinced the cop acted impulsively. I think he's just plain out of control. And really: do most police departments allow their officers to drive around blasting music of any kind while on duty? It seems like loud music would interfere with the officer's ability to hear radio communications, hear what is going on around them, hear each other if they are in pairs....

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ksen said:
dismal is right. The old man should have known what was going on and since he didn't present for the officer he shouldn't be surprised he got dragged to the ground, tased a couple times and cussed out.
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Especially being not white and all....
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
arkirk said:
From looking at this video it is obvious this matter could have been settled without the scuffle and without the tazer. Absolute obedience to cop orders is NOT PART OF OUR LAW, BUT IN THIS CASE, IT WAS a de facto requirement the cop fervently believed in...to the point of assaulting the old guy. I think the cop is an ass.
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What seems odd is that there are people who are having a hard time thinking that tazering a man who is in his 70s is almost in all situations, unnecessary.
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What if you are 90 year old policeman and there is a 70 year young punk?
 
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Toni said:
Arctish said:
The defense of the cop's actions is more repulsive. The cop acted impulsively. The defenders have had plenty of time to consider the matter and are arguing in favor of needless and excessive force used against a man who hadn't done anything wrong.
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I'm not convinced the cop acted impulsively. I think he's just plain out of control. And really: do most police departments allow their officers to drive around blasting music of any kind while on duty? It seems like loud music would interfere with the officer's ability to hear radio communications, hear what is going on around them, hear each other if they are in pairs....

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It appears this particular cop rolled up on someone who hadn't done anything wrong, surprised the guy by confronting him over something that should have been a non-issue, and then took the guy's protestations of innocence as defiance. The cop should have known about the dealership exemption, but even if he didn't, he should have understood that a sticker violation isn't something that calls for a rough take-down and tasering. I think that was where the impulsiveness came into play. The old guy questioned his competence and challenged his authori-tay, and that triggered the violent arrest.

OTOH, I'm not sure how far out of line the cop was with his training. A lot of police departments are training their officers to immediately seize control of the situation and use force if they encounter any resistance, no matter how slight. Everything except for the loud music might have been what the cop was trained to do, and that's scary.
 
I will repeat what I think the problem is here. it's age of the cop.
You can't be a cop at 23. At least you have to be accompanied by an adult at all time at the job.

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I will repeat what I think the problem is here. it's age of the cop.
You can't be a cop at 23. At least you have to be accompanied by an adult at all time at the job.
 
barbos said:
I will repeat what I think the problem is here. it's age of the cop.
You can't be a cop at 23. At least you have to be accompanied by an adult at all time at the job.

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I will repeat what I think the problem is here. it's age of the cop.
You can't be a cop at 23. At least you have to be accompanied by an adult at all time at the job.
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That's the main problem. And if the driver had been 6' 6" and 300 pounds of chiseled marble, Barney Fife wouldn't have been so aggressive.
 
ZiprHead said:
dismal said:
Nope.
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Perhaps it was being right, that there was no infraction, and the cop was wrong?
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Try to imagine that it's possible that all of the following are true: 1) The cop had his lights on; 2) Vasquez should have stayed in his car with his hands visible; 3) the cop was wrong to taze him

I don't know for a fact the cop was wrong to taze him, but I saw nothing on the tape to suggest he was justified. Also, the dept does not appear to be arguing that he acted according to procedure.

Note that believing #3 does not require me to venomously defend absurd positions with respect to #1 and #2 on an internet message board.
 
dismal said:
ZiprHead said:
Perhaps it was being right, that there was no infraction, and the cop was wrong?
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I don't know for a fact the cop was wrong to taze him, but I saw nothing on the tape to suggest he was justified.
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Nice passive aggressive technique there.
Also, the dept does not appear to be arguing that he acted according to procedure.
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Has the officer been fired for electrocuting a man in his 70s?
 
dismal said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Nice passive aggressive technique there.
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It's "passive aggressive" to acknowledge not knowing all the facts? This seems beneath you.
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It is passive aggressive to pretend open-mindedness for this situation where is little justification for ever tasering a man in his 70s. Now I know the media has been portraying this guy as a gentle geriatric, but seriously, 'We don't have all the evidence to help us know whether tasering a man in his 70s was necessary.'

The answer is, it is pretty much certain that it wasn't necessary. What could possibly be in the video to indicate otherwise?
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
dismal said:
It's "passive aggressive" to acknowledge not knowing all the facts? This seems beneath you.
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It is passive aggressive to pretend open-mindedness for this situation where is little justification for ever tasering a man in his 70s. Now I know the media has been portraying this guy as a gentle geriatric, but seriously, 'We don't have all the evidence to help us know whether tasering a man in his 70s was necessary.'

The answer is, it is pretty much certain that it wasn't necessary. What could possibly be in the video to indicate otherwise?
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There are times when tazering someone in their 70s is justified. Shrug.
 
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