Derec
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What "nuance"? Iranian proxies Houthis deposed the government and started a civil war. Now they are attacking international shipping.
Where's the "nuance"?
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Derec
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What "provocation"? It is Iran and their proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) that are attacking others, in case you have missed what's been going on lately.
It is Houthis that are pirating ships.
The only recent one I can think of was MH17, shot down by Russia.
Whose leadership was assassinated? I wish we had assassinated Khamenei!
Are you forgetting them taking a US Embassy hostage? Or bombings in Beirut and Khobar? All done either by Iran directly or by their puppets.
And now their puppets are attacking US forces. The other day they attacked US Embassy in Baghdad.
US Embassy in Baghdad targeted in rocket attack
Iranian really have a penchant for attacking embassies!
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You might want to put more effort into learning about the history between the U.S. and Iran, post WWII.
Just a suggestion.
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The Saudis can take can of themselves. It is true that Iran is our enemy. Of course, we made them our enemy by our persistent interference in their domestic affairs. It really is a shame because the two countries had and have mutual self interest that could be served if people stopped their comic book view of the world.
The Saudis are nominally our allies. They helped fuck up Yemen. They can clean up their own mess.
Either take a chill pill or get some therapy. In any case, it is really not our problem.
Derec
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Iran, via proxies, is attacking US forces and, just a few days ago, has attacked the US Embassy in Baghdad. Iranian proxies occupying Yemen are also attacking international shipping. It is in US national interest to keep shipping lanes safe from piracy and maritime terrorism waged from Tehran.
Bullshit! What put ayatollahs in power was that the leftist groups in Iran worked with the Islamists on overthrowing the Shah. Of course, after the Islamists
What also helped Khomeini is support from certain deluded people in the west. France was harboring him while he was in exile. And US ambassador to the UN, Andrew Young, thought he was a "saint".
Young Praises Islam as ‘Vibrant’ And Calls the Ayatollah ‘a Saint’
That much is clear.
US national interests are most definitely served by checking Iranian theocrats.
So hang our allies out to dry and thereby help our enemies.
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The Houthis are not attacking us.
The Shah came into power because we overthrew the elected leader of Ira and installed the Shah.
Are you sure about the feasibility of "checking Iranian theocrats" from doing whatever it is you imagine you think they are doing?
It is not hanging anyone out to dry if they can handle it themselves. But I tell you what, if you want charter a boat and hire mercenaries, go ahead.
I think the world would be a better place if the USA and Iran became allies, or at least, non-antagonistic. Your childish comic book view simply prolongs needless posturing, destruction and violence.
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U.S. interests would be better served by checking the theocrats here in the USA. That would be the Teapartiers, like Trump and Johnson and Abbott....
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Malcolm Nance at age 60 went to Ukraine and fought with the Foreign Legion against Russia.
You're welcome to do the same against Iran.
Derec
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Nice try, but you are not getting rid of me that easy.
In any case, I am not advocating boots on the ground but rather air strikes against Houthi positions.
And I do not have access to an F21 with air to surface missiles.
barbos
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I hate to break it for you but Iran has a long credit for that. Remember Iran-Iraq war?
Enjoy unintended but predictable consequences of your actions.
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Really? The World Trade Center wasn't destroyed in an attack by Iranians...
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Of course that would be as far as it goes, right?Nice try, but you are not getting rid of me that easy.
In any case, I am not advocating boots on the ground but rather air strikes against Houthi positions.
And I do not have access to an F21 with air to surface missiles.
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Well, obviously.Of course that would be as far as it goes, right?Nice try, but you are not getting rid of me that easy.
In any case, I am not advocating boots on the ground but rather air strikes against Houthi positions.
And I do not have access to an F21 with air to surface missiles.
If someone hates you, you bomb their home, and then they love you.
Problem solved.
Derec
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I do not need them to "love" us.
Just hit their forces enough that they are either incapable of hitting shipping traffic or think twice before they attack a ship.
Even better, hit their forces enough that they get defeated by the Yemeni army, and thus deny the Tehran regime a beachhead on the Arabian peninsula, but even the first part would solve the problem at hand (piracy and attacks on shipping through the Red Sea).
laughing dog
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Let the Saudis, or better yet, the Yemeni armed forces clean up the area.
In case you haven’t noticed, the USA cannot even adequately supply Ukraine with the arms they desperately need. We don’t need to be sidetracked into a no win quagmire.
Derec
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So? Doesn't mean that their militias are not attacking US forces as well as our allies.
There is a difference between a country and the citizens of a country acting independently. The Saudis who committed 9/11 were also enemies of the Saudi government.
Another example: when far left Baader-Meinhof gang terrorists worked with Palestinian terrorists to hijack an El Al plane to Uganda, Israel was not attacked by Germany even though Baader-Meinhof terrorists were German.
Derec
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They need US help. Had we given them sufficient help in 2015, Houthis would never had become the huge problem they have become.
It is obviously in US national interest to keep international shipping lanes safe.
Of course we can. The problem is political. Just like here. Just like there are Putin apologists on the right, there are Ayatollah apologists on the left.
Derec
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I do not think Iran would retaliate for hitting the Houthis.
And even if they do, we carry a much longer stick than they do.
Derec
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Why are you leftists incapable of not engaging in whataboutisms regarding Republicans? At least you did not mention Trump, which is a small mercy.
For one, Mike Johnson et al have nothing to do with this thread. And moreover, on his worst day, Mike Johnson can't hold a candle to a Khamenei or Salami in terms of theocratic evilness. They are not even in the same universe, much less ballpark.
So let's focus on the subject at hand. Which is about Iran, through Houthis, attacking international shipping.
barbos
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Why do you have forces there in the first place?
On what authority?