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Oh, I'm aware that you probably don't really believe that, i assume you have that much common sense. It does however logically follow from combining Emily's definition and your claim that "everyone else [uses it] virtually all the time". Your feeble attempts to define the edge cases that disprove your definition's universal applicability out of existence aren't empirical science, they belong to the realm of religion.
Within any anisogamous species, there are two reproductive phenotypes. Members of the species who have the reproductive phenotype that has evolved to support the production of large sessile gametes are called "females". Members of the species who have the reproductive phenotype that has evolved to support the production of small motile gametes are called "males". Actual production of gametes is not required for these phenotypes to define sex within each species, nor is a complete or unambiguous reproductive tract. But within each anisogamous species there are only two evolved reproductive phenotypes, thus there are only two sexes.

What is in the realm of religion is imagineering a gendered brain into the mix and then arguing that such speculative minds supercede the phenotypes that define our sex.
 
if you then go on and pretend away "disorders" in an attempt to describe the full extent of actual variation, you're equivocating
That's the thing. I think they are ultimately trying to go back to disorder somewhere to eventually reach the utterance "being trans is a disorder" and keying on a note of "purity principle" around all the other language linked to the use of the word "disorder"
Your speculation is yours alone and does not have any bearing on anyone else.

That said - this is the crux of the problem here. You absolutely insist that I have some nefarious overarching malicious goal, and your assumption is just flat fucking wrong. If you would abandon your errant assumption, you would likely find this entire discussion to be more genial. But the fact that you not only persist in making this wrong assumption, but further insist that your wrong assumption is behind every single fucking thing I post is infuriating, insulting, and borders on harassment to my mind. I'm sick to death of you going around spewing your hate about me and putting words in my mouth that do not remotely represent my view.
 
I'm probably Europeansplaining as much as mansplaining here, but granted, I need to tread lightly here. I'm not saying doors remove all points of contention, but that they will take out much of the heat from that particular argument, and I fail to understand why anyone would think not having them is a good idea.
In case this has missed you in the hyperfocus on whether or not reindeer antlers mean that Swyer Syndrome is a disorder or not... Bathrooms are way down on my list of concerns. If people had common sense, I'd say that the common sense approach was sufficient: use whichever bathroom other people are going to expect you to use. But that requires a degree of self-perception and realism that many people seem to lack, so basic courtesy is right out on that one. Full doors is fine... but there's also a significant cost to retro-fitting every toilet space in the US, and there are also going to be some select scenarios in which there are good arguments against full length locking doors.

Anyway, bathrooms are what activists fall back on as a point of argument. In reality, they're the least contentious of the many spaces and services that are currently separated on the basis of sex.
 
Ok, then I hope you an answer this: At what point in the evolution of reindeer did females having antlers stop being a disorder?
This is the kind of argument that makes this discussion, IMHO, not worth bothering with.
Tom
This is exactly the kind of question you need to be able to answer if you want to categorically declare atypical combinations of sex traits as "disorders" and pretend that's a scientifically informed position.

Unless you're a creationist.
Ah yes, all those medical doctors peddling their creationism. You really should go set them straight, and re-educate them on why they're wrong to treat these disorders as disorders. Clearly, it might hurt the feelers of some randos in the internet who think it's mean to label congenital conditions with deleterious effects as "disorders".
At this point, I have to assume you're willfully misreading me. It must have been half a dozen times I've said that the concept of disorder is a very useful one or for medicine, just that it isn't half as useful in descriptive biology and even less so for considering evolution.

Don't do this, it makes you look like you have no argument, and it's not nice. You can do better than that!
 
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Oh, I'm aware that you probably don't really believe that, i assume you have that much common sense. It does however logically follow from combining Emily's definition and your claim that "everyone else [uses it] virtually all the time". Your feeble attempts to define the edge cases that disprove your definition's universal applicability out of existence aren't empirical science, they belong to the realm of religion.
Within any anisogamous species, there are two reproductive phenotypes. Members of the species who have the reproductive phenotype that has evolved to support the production of large sessile gametes are called "females". Members of the species who have the reproductive phenotype that has evolved to support the production of small motile gametes are called "males". Actual production of gametes is not required for these phenotypes to define sex within each species, nor is a complete or unambiguous reproductive tract. But within each anisogamous species there are only two evolved reproductive phenotypes, thus there are only two sexes.

What is in the realm of religion is imagineering a gendered brain into the mix and then arguing that such speculative minds supercede the phenotypes that define our sex.
(Emphasis added) That's like saying: the tiger has evolved stripes to be less conspicuous. Therefore, it is invisible.

The question of a function of a trait/organ/etc and the question of the nature of its actualisation are related, but they are two different questions with two different answers, neither of which can be fully determined by knowing the other alone. Trying to do so fits better into 18th century natural history than into 21st century biological science.

BTW, have you read up on Niko Tinbergen"s "Four Questions"? Please do, it'll make this discussion much more transparent and productive.
 
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I'm probably Europeansplaining as much as mansplaining here, but granted, I need to tread lightly here. I'm not saying doors remove all points of contention, but that they will take out much of the heat from that particular argument, and I fail to understand why anyone would think not having them is a good idea.
In case this has missed you in the hyperfocus on whether or not reindeer antlers mean that Swyer Syndrome is a disorder or not... Bathrooms are way down on my list of concerns. If people had common sense, I'd say that the common sense approach was sufficient: use whichever bathroom other people are going to expect you to use. But that requires a degree of self-perception and realism that many people seem to lack, so basic courtesy is right out on that one. Full doors is fine... but there's also a significant cost to retro-fitting every toilet space in the US, and there are also going to be some select scenarios in which there are good arguments against full length locking doors.

Anyway, bathrooms are what activists fall back on as a point of argument. In reality, they're the least contentious of the many spaces and services that are currently separated on the basis of sex.
Hey, I'm not the one insinuating there is a one size fits all for women only spaces which in turn is directly informed by biology. If the optimal bisection for bathrooms is a different one than the optimal bisection for group therapy sessions involving victims of domestic abuse, well thanks for making my point I guess!
 
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Ok, then I hope you an answer this: At what point in the evolution of reindeer did females having antlers stop being a disorder?
At the same point that you stopped beating your wife.
So an antler in a female of a species where only males have antlers isn't a disorder, but a beard in a species were only males have beards is? Can you justify that distinction?
What are you talking about? Both male and female reindeer have antlers. Are you assuming that at some point in their evolution, only male reindeer had antlers? Do you have support for that assumption?
Yes, the fact that that's exactly what we see in (all or nearly all) other deer species, with which, you know, they had a common ancestor at some point in the not so distant past.
Additionally, I haven't claimed that beards on females in the HUMAN species is necessarily a disorder. Most causes of hirsutism in HUMAN females are a side effect of a medical condition, but it's going to depend a lot on how many games you're playing, and whether or not you consider the dozen or so chin hairs that I've grown during perimenopause to qualify as a "beard" so you can snag a gotcha out of the internet today.
And viz hyenas, fused labia in a female of a species where the females have unfused labia is a disorder if the species will eventually evolve into humans but not if it eventually evolves into hyenas? Methinks your theory suffers from a massive lookahead problem...
Buddy, you seem to have lost the plot here. I don't know what you're trying to angle toward, but arguing from the perspective of what some species *might* someday maybe evolve into is science fiction speculation, not an actual argument.
Exactly, and that's a problem for what you insinuated in the post I replied to. It's the logical conclusion arising from saying reindeer female antlers never where a disorder.
 
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Interestingly, the human pattern of sexual dimorphism its really the odd one out among apes. It's ridiculously exaggerated in traits that are (presumably) mostly the product of sexual selection, like our patterns of body and facial hair, our females' permanently enlarged breasts, or the ridiculously prolonged penis (almost to the point of being impractical) in our males. At the very same time, it is extremely reduced in other traits that tend to be more the product of natural selection, such as body size and dentition. The male-female average body size ratio varies somewhat by population, but it tends to be around 1.1 with s good overlap - the gorilla's and orangutan's are well above 1.5 and no overlap to speak of -, and a trained dentist with years of experience looking at thousands of human jaws will almost certainly have an easier time quickly assigning an adult chimpanzee jaw to one sex or the other with high accuracy after being shown one typical example of each, than for the human jaws she is so familiar with.

This might suggest that "gender roles", or if you will sex-biased behavioral poles of attraction, have been less divergent throughout much of our history than in other apes. Alternatively or concomittantly, it could be a side effect of human males being under strong selection pressure for lowered testosterone levels or sensitivity in order not to jeopardize our cooperative social structure through (even more) unpredictable bouts of aggression.

The exaggerated penis and breast and the beards could well have evolved in response to the lower overall body dimorphism as signals other apes don't need half a much.
Alternatively... at some point in our history a group of males decided they really really liked big boobs, and a group of females decided they really really liked exaggerated penises... and then sexual selection did its thing.

Because unlike natural selection, sexual selection actually *does* select.
Sure it does, but the fact that it did so within the lastc few million years in the line leading up to humans in ways that are very different from what it did in the lineage leading up to chimps and bonobos or any other ape lineage is still interesting and conspicuous.
 
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I knew males had larger ones (though technically, there's an overlap between "similar" and "substantially larger", and I didn't say "identical" or "near-identical"), I didn't know about the different shedding times. Thanks!

Nevertheless, "having antlers" is, in and of itself, a secondary characteristic of the male sex in most deer, and it isn't in reindeer even if typical male antlers and typical female antlers still differ very recognisably.
So that means one and the same set of unshed antlers on one and the same reindeer doe in one and the same winter are both a secondary characteristic of the female sex when we think of her as "having unshed winter antlers" and simultaneously not a secondary characteristic of the female sex when we think of her as "having antlers". You appear to be redefining "secondary characteristic" to be an aspect of our mental categorization scheme rather than an aspect of cervine biology. That seems like a recipe for making the concept useless.
We have a terminological abyss at play.

Primary sex characteristics are those that are directly involved in and required for reproduction. In humans, that means our internal and external genitals.

Secondary sex characteristics are those that are developmentally tied to and dependent upon the mechanism of sex differentiation within a species, but are not directly required for reproduction. In humans, those are usually directly tied to genes that differ on our sex chromosomes.
can you point me towards some literature on that specific point re location on chromosomes? I was under the impression that the genes controlling primary or secondary sex traits can sit anywhere in the genome, what makes them sex-specific isn't their locations but that they form part of networks that are triggered by androgens or estrogens.
This includes our secondary sex characteristics of breasts, pelvic opening, facial and body hair, and a handful of others like some muscle and tendon attachment points.

Everything else that shows some differentiation by sex is sex-correlated traits. In humans this includes things like overall height, lung size, hand and foot size, etc. These things are not located specifically on sex chromosomes, nor are they driven by hormones... but they do correlate with sex. Most of these are likely to be the result of sexual selection.

The thing that seems to be getting missed in Jokodo's approach is that all of these differ by species. Something can be a secondary sex characteristic in one species, and be a sex correlated trait in a different species, and show no sexual differentiation in a third species.
I'm not missing that. I'm claiming that, given the reality of evolution, this fact is one more argument to treat these labels as vaguely defined descriptive generalisations rather than as objectively given disjunct categories, and therefore, attaching too much significance to what we chose to label a trait can lead to circular reasoning.
 
I knew males had larger ones (though technically, there's an overlap between "similar" and "substantially larger", and I didn't say "identical" or "near-identical"), I didn't know about the different shedding times. Thanks!

Nevertheless, "having antlers" is, in and of itself, a secondary characteristic of the male sex in most deer, and it isn't in reindeer even if typical male antlers and typical female antlers still differ very recognisably.
So that means one and the same set of unshed antlers on one and the same reindeer doe in one and the same winter are both a secondary characteristic of the female sex when we think of her as "having unshed winter antlers" and simultaneously not a secondary characteristic of the female sex when we think of her as "having antlers". You appear to be redefining "secondary characteristic" to be an aspect of our mental categorization scheme rather than an aspect of cervine biology. That seems like a recipe for making the concept useless.
We have a terminological abyss at play.

Primary sex characteristics are those that are directly involved in and required for reproduction. In humans, that means our internal and external genitals.

Secondary sex characteristics are those that are developmentally tied to and dependent upon the mechanism of sex differentiation within a species, but are not directly required for reproduction. In humans, those are usually directly tied to genes that differ on our sex chromosomes.
can you point me towards some literature on that specific point re location on chromosomes? I was under the impression that the genes controlling primary or secondary sex traits can sit anywhere in the genome, what makes them sex-specific isn't their locations but that they form part of networks that are triggered by androgens or estrogens.
This includes our secondary sex characteristics of breasts, pelvic opening, facial and body hair, and a handful of others like some muscle and tendon attachment points.

Everything else that shows some differentiation by sex is sex-correlated traits. In humans this includes things like overall height, lung size, hand and foot size, etc. These things are not located specifically on sex chromosomes, nor are they driven by hormones... but they do correlate with sex. Most of these are likely to be the result of sexual selection.

The thing that seems to be getting missed in Jokodo's approach is that all of these differ by species. Something can be a secondary sex characteristic in one species, and be a sex correlated trait in a different species, and show no sexual differentiation in a third species.
I'm not missing that. I'm claiming that, given the reality of evolution, this fact is one more argument to treat these labels as vaguely defined descriptive generalisations rather than as objectively given disfunction categories, and therefore, attaching too much significance to what we chose to label a trait can lead to circular reasoning.
So uh, kudos to you by the way.

I do appreciate that you make the same arguments I do, but more eloquently.
 

I'm probably Europeansplaining as much as mansplaining here, but granted, I need to tread lightly here. I'm not saying doors remove all points of contention, but that they will take out much of the heat from that particular argument, and I fail to understand why anyone would think not having them is a good idea. I'm no social historian of bathrooms by any stretch of imagination, but if I have to take a guess, the original motivation was probably, perversly, puritanism: to minimise opportunities for nefarious acts between consenting adults.
I wouldn't be surprised, but I can see a practical use for having a bit of space: It allows figuring out whether a stall is occupied or not even if something has happened to the occupant. I think the doors could be bigger and still serve this purpose, but I can see merit in a way to check.
 
Ok, then I hope you an answer this: At what point in the evolution of reindeer did females having antlers stop being a disorder?
This is the kind of argument that makes this discussion, IMHO, not worth bothering with.
Tom
This is exactly the kind of question you need to be able to answer if you want to categorically declare atypical combinations of sex traits as "disorders" and pretend that's a scientifically informed position.

Unless you're a creationist.
Ah yes, all those medical doctors peddling their creationism. You really should go set them straight, and re-educate them on why they're wrong to treat these disorders as disorders. Clearly, it might hurt the feelers of some randos in the internet who think it's mean to label congenital conditions with deleterious effects as "disorders".
"Deleterious effects" has to be measured from the perspective of the patient. Infertility? A lot of people pay to be made infertile. Most Americans see nothing wrong in this. Those who choose the heterosexual childfree path see what nature handed them as a problem that has to be worked around, either temporarily or permanently.

Why is it so unreasonable for someone to feel that something else nature handed them is a problem even though it's natural?

And sometimes we cope with a problem so smoothly we don't realize it. Your eyes are upside-down. The brain figures this out in infancy and adjusts for it long before you're aware of the concept of "problem". (And, yes, it's definitely the brain compensating. Put on glasses that invert the world, wear them all the time and after a few weeks the world will flip to correct. And then the same thing will happen when you take them off.)
 
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If biological sex is the sum of primary and secondary traits, she can no longer claim that people with androgen insensitivity are "just men" who suffer from a rare disease that makes them appear like women
I also don't claim this. A person with Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome develops a phenotypical female reproductive tract, with infertile gonads. Because they have a female reproductive tract, they are female.
And what's someone who doesn't develop a reproductive tract at all?
A miscarriage
Why do you say that?

While I am not aware of anyone completely lacking in reproductive apparatus there's no part that can't fail to form. Why should it cause a miscarriage?
 
In case this has missed you in the hyperfocus on whether or not reindeer antlers mean that Swyer Syndrome is a disorder or not... Bathrooms are way down on my list of concerns. If people had common sense, I'd say that the common sense approach was sufficient: use whichever bathroom other people are going to expect you to use. But that requires a degree of self-perception and realism that many people seem to lack, so basic courtesy is right out on that one. Full doors is fine... but there's also a significant cost to retro-fitting every toilet space in the US, and there are also going to be some select scenarios in which there are good arguments against full length locking doors.

Anyway, bathrooms are what activists fall back on as a point of argument. In reality, they're the least contentious of the many spaces and services that are currently separated on the basis of sex.
Note that use whichever bathroom other people are going to expect means that trans people will use the bathroom that corresponds to the gender they present as even if that doesn't match their anatomy.

I thought you couldn't stand penises in the women's room.
 
Ok, then I hope you an answer this: At what point in the evolution of reindeer did females having antlers stop being a disorder?
At the same point that you stopped beating your wife.
So an antler in a female of a species where only males have antlers isn't a disorder, but a beard in a species were only males have beards is? Can you justify that distinction?
What are you talking about? Both male and female reindeer have antlers. Are you assuming that at some point in their evolution, only male reindeer had antlers? Do you have support for that assumption?
Yes, the fact that that's exactly what we see in (all or nearly all) other deer species, with which, you know, they had a common ancestor at some point in the not so distant past.
To add, at least according to Wikipedia, antler growth in all deer species, including reindeer, is triggered by androgens. Reindeer didn't evolve a novel pathway from scratch, they evolved heightened sensitivity of the existing androgen based pathways to the point where the lower androgen levels found in females are typically (but not always) sufficient to trigger it. So the residual differences in antler shape, size and universality need not be adaptive, at least not all of it. They might very well be a side effect of the restrictions imposed by the biochemistry, ie the species might find itself at a sweet spot where the benefits of evolving antlers that are even more male-like or more universal would be offset by maladaptive effects elsewhere in the organism the even higher androgen sensitivity this would require might produce. Or selection might just not have finished doing its thing yet and if we look at them again a few 10k years from now we'll find the frequency of female antlers to have further increased in what's evolutionarily the blink of an eye.

What's also interesting: typical female reindeer antler sizes are well within the range of male antlers in other deer species, the dimorphism persists mostly because the male's are unusually massive, second only to the male moose. It is entirely possible that mae reindeer antlers are larger than they would be if evolution could optimise them in an isolated feature branch, as male offspring of females with heightened androgen sensitivity (in the antler growth pathways) are likely to share an above average sensitivity whether that's selected for in males or not. Combine that with higher levels and you may get antlers that are more massive than what selection would otherwise produce, if there were a way to reproductively isolate male and female reindeer, which there obviously isn't.

It would be interesting to see if, given the apparent selection of an androgen- triggered trait in females and thus of heightened androgen sensitivity, female reindeer present with intersex traits (obviously not counting antlers for this particular purpose) more frequently than those of other deer species, that is, if the (selected) heightened sensitivity in the antler growth pathway leaks to other pathways where it continues to be maladaptive. I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that they do, though the work probably hasn't been done. If you know any zoologist specialising in cervids, you might suggest that as their next research proposal. They might even be able to tap some fund or other dedicated to gender- related research!
 
What is in the realm of religion is imagineering a gendered brain into the mix
I'm not sure I'm interpreting what you're trying to say correctly, but the way I'm interpreting it, there's nothing particularly implausible about it.

From a biological and evolutionary perspective, to the extent that we agree that behavioural phenotypes aren't entirely learnt, and to the extent that they (or individual aspects about them) show a bimodal distribution rather than a single overall mode with different means for the sexes, it's entirely plausible that occasionally, due to a rare coincidence of environmental, genetic and epigenetic factors (none of which has to be individually rare), an otherwise phenotypically normal male with intermediate or more female-typical neural structure is born (or vice versa), not entirely unlike occasionally we get otherwise phenotypically normal males with undescended testes, or partially fused labia.

It is even entirely plausible that this happens significantly (possibly even orders of magnitude) more frequently in humans than in other apes - comparing the patterns of of sexual dimorphism in our species with those of our closest relatives, it becomes obvious they have been under significant selection in recent times, and it's at least plausible that we haven't reached a new stable state yet.

It is even plausible that we have reached a near-stable state, but that stable state continues to produce more such individuals than in other apes because our males have been bred for lowered androgen sensitivity, in particular in the behavioral/neural/cognitive domain - the phenotype evolution was handed when it started this particular project the outcome of which are human males is that of a testosterone-laden hulk with self-control issues (for reference, typical chimp males, orang males, gorilla males are all just that). This just isn't the most successful phenotype in a species as social as ours. That's obviously true in 21st century America, but it remains true in much more patriarchal, warlike societies. Triggering a blood feud in the course of which half of your brothers and agnatic cousins die is hardly going to improve the inclusive fitness of a young man in 19th century Albania, for example, even as the precise location of the sweet spot is going to differ. The only easy way to reduce the incidence of that maladaptive phenotype is to shift the lever for androgen sensitivity during neural development all the way to the left, but with a background of overall genetic variation and variable environmental factors, this will almost certainly produce a tail of individuals that fall well outside even that "new male" selection target and within less than a standard deviation of the female and. Quite plausibly, since relative to other apes, the male phenotype is the one that has mostly evolved to be more "feminine", this will happen at rates much higher than the inverse scenario.

Given that the selection for lower androgen sensitivity/expression in males was almost certainly driven primarily by the cost of their behavioral effects given the environment of our tight-knit social structure, it is even entirely plausible that this happens substantially more often than, say, unfused labia in males. To the extent that the latter are more common in humans than in chimps (no idea if they are; no idea whether we know), for example, that could be the side effect of selection for a less expressed masculine behavioral phenotype. Remember, as a rule of thumb, biology is messy and dripping fluids that better remain unnamed from various orifices. There is no one "gene for male aggression" that evolution can just select a weaker variant of and be done. There's dozens, maybe hundreds, of genes that influence the androgen sensitivity of various pathways during neural development, few of which are going to be selective in that they only affect neural development, but all of which are going to selected for up to the point where their maladaptive effects in other ways, or the occasional cases where they coincide with other (individually selected for) genes in a way that produces a maladaptive phenotype, outweigh their positive effects that have made them the target of selection. And for some of those genes, the "other effects" (besides affecting neural development and its androgen sensitivity) are going to be lowered androgen sensitivity elsewhere in the system.

I don't claim that any of that is true. I don't know how much research has been done that could confirm or falsify each of these hypotheses. What I do know is that they're all well-formed hypotheses within the paradigm of evolutionary theory, and - dare I say it? - plausible ones in the context of what we know about the recent evolution of humans, and about sex differentiation in primates and mammals more broadly. Unless you are privy to actual research that tested those precise hypotheses and found them lacking, calling them "religious imagineering" does not reflect well on your understanding of evolutionary theory.

and then arguing that such speculative minds supercede the phenotypes that define our sex.
I don't know what "supercede the phenotypes that define our sex" means, but obviously, behaviour and cognition are part of our phenotype, even if they were entirely learnt (in that case they're simply a part of the phenotype that is dominated by environmental factors - in biological terms, a cultural context is just another part of the environment). And "supercede" in what context? In the context of determining whether an otherwise male person with a more female-like cognition thinks more like the typical woman or more like a typical man, there is no need to argue for it at all - it's a tautology!
 
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In the context of determining whether an otherwise male person with a more female-like cognition thinks more like the typical woman or more like a typical man, there is no need to argue for it at all - it's a tautology!
Now there's an ambiguous sentence. "A more female-like cognition" than what? More female-like than male-like? Yes, that's tautological. But more female-like than the typical man's cognition is female-like? That's not a tautology, but an empirical matter, on which the statistics that m2f transgendered people commit crimes at typical male rates rather than typical female rates provides evidence.

A person whose cognition is 3% of the way from male-typical to female-typical might well perceive himself to have "a more female-like cognition" because he's comparing his cognition with those of typical males, and has precious little understanding of how people whose brains are 100% female think.
 
In the context of determining whether an otherwise male person with a more female-like cognition thinks more like the typical woman or more like a typical man, there is no need to argue for it at all - it's a tautology!
Now there's an ambiguous sentence. "A more female-like cognition" than what? More female-like than male-like? Yes, that's tautological. But more female-like than the typical man's cognition is female-like? That's not a tautology, but an empirical matter,
indeed, and I believe you can guess which I meant.
on which the statistics that m2f transgendered people commit crimes at typical male rates rather than typical female rates provides evidence.
How good is that evidence though? I'm not intimately familiar with those statistics nor with the current discourse in criminology, but I believe it is a well established tenet of criminology that members of marginalised groups commit crimes at rates significantly above the population average, in ways that do not solely reflect their individual constitution. So depending in your estimate of the size of that effect and the degree of marginalisation of m2f people during the time period the statistics were collected, a typical male rate of actualised crimes reflects a significantly lower intrinsic criminal inclination, and may very well reflect one in a similar ballpark to women's, at least for a subset of the group.
A person whose cognition is 3% of the way from male-typical to female-typical might well perceive himself to have "a more female-like cognition" because he's comparing his cognition with those of typical males, and has precious little understanding of how people whose brains are 100% female think.
Possible. Also, in case that was unclear, I didn't want to imply that the description above fits all trans women, just that it is biologically entirely plausible that such people exist at rates well above the rates for anatomically intersex individuals.
 
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A person whose cognition is 3% of the way from male-typical to female-typical might well perceive himself to have "a more female-like cognition" because he's comparing his cognition with those of typical males, and has precious little understanding of how people whose brains are 100% female think.
Possible. Also, in case that was unclear, I didn't want to imply that the description above fits all trans women, just that it is biologically entirely plausible that such people exist at rates well above the rates for trivially visibly identifiably anatomically intersex individuals.
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A person whose cognition is 3% of the way from male-typical to female-typical might well perceive himself to have "a more female-like cognition" because he's comparing his cognition with those of typical males, and has precious little understanding of how people whose brains are 100% female think.
Possible. Also, in case that was unclear, I didn't want to imply that the description above fits all trans women, just that it is biologically entirely plausible that such people exist at rates well above the rates for trivially visibly identifiably anatomically intersex individuals.
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Cognition is an emergent property of neural and endocrine anatomy, sure. But then again, the features of neural and endocrine anatomy are an emergent property of the weak nuclear force, the the strong nuclear force, and electromagnetism in an environment modified by gravity ;)

I think what you mean to say that there may be aspects of brain anatomy in transgender individuals that are detectably more like those of the sex they identify with, or at least significantly different from the mean of the sex they display down there. That may well be so, but I feel those are less relevant than differences and similarities in cognition itself (except maybe as an argument to convince detractors who will brush away psychological data saying they're faking it, whether or not that's plausible given the method).
 
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