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Roe v Wade is on deck

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration is threatening TV stations that air ads in support of an abortion rights ballot initiative with criminal penalties, including jail time.

DeSantis and his allies are already spending large sums of taxpayer dollars to fight Amendment 4, which would enshrine abortion rights in the state constitution if voted into law in November. His “election police” have interrogated and intimidated residents who signed petitions to put it on the ballot. His administration created a publicly funded, state-run website condemning the amendment, and has run ads promoting the current law, which bans abortions after six weeks.

Now, however, DeSantis is escalating the battle: On Oct. 3, his Department of Health sent a letter to at least one local NBC affiliate suggesting that prosecutors could bring criminal charges against the TV station for airing ads that encourage residents to vote for the amendment. The letter, first reported by investigative journalist Jason Garcia, asserted that the ads violate Florida’s “sanitary nuisance” law and that stations may commit a second-degree misdemeanor by carrying them, subjecting their employees to a 60-day jail sentence.


The Florida Department of Health’s allegations are absurd on several levels. The agency claims that the advertisement in question is “false” and “dangerous” because it informs viewers that the state’s six-week ban imperils the life and health of pregnant women. But it is demonstrably true that Florida’s ban jeopardizes the well-being of women. Moreover, even if the ad exaggerated these harms—indeed, even if it were arguably false—it would still receive bulletproof First Amendment protections. And TV stations would have an insurmountable constitutional shield against any punishment for airing it.
Damn. These people are freakin' nuts.

Doesn't MAGA love free speech when they tell their lies though? Little Nazi wants free speech to lie but not free speech for anyone else.
 

The QOP abortion position. Abortions should be permitted to save the woman but that doesn't actually happen, they're just cover for elective abortions.

Trump voters, can't you understand what you're voting for??

And how can you vote for this kind of evil?


He seems happy to have successfully sacrificed a woman on the pro-life altar.
 
Talk about grasping at straws:


Once again, a case of the URL saying it all. You want to saddle teens with unwanted babies to boost the economy?!

I'm reminded of The Decree in Romania. And note that despite draconian efforts to increase the birth rate the end result was little long term change in the birth rate but a substantial increase in the illegal abortion complication death rate.
 
She said she had a miscarriage — then got arrested under an abortion law

The officers were there for her.

Earlier that month, Frazier had shared a Facebook post about the son she lost. She had apologized to Abel, saying she was “so scarred n afraid” and “didn’t know what to do,” court records show.

“Why would you be sorry?” asked Jacqueline “Jac” Mitcham, the 31-year-old deputy on Frazier’s doorstep, according to body-camera footage obtained by The Washington Post. “Why would you be sorry, Patience?”

Frazier looked over at the other armed officers standing 10 feet away.

“I’m not allowed to have personal things in my life?” said Frazier, a mother of three. “I had a miscarriage, okay? A miscarriage. Why are you guys here over a f---ing miscarriage?”
But those measures don’t tell the full story. In rare and often little-noticed cases, authorities have drawn on other laws to charge women accused of trying to end their pregnancies. Some prosecutors in both red and blue states have used sweeping statutes entirely unrelated to abortion — like child abuse, improper disposal of remains or murder — while others have relied on criminal laws written to protect a fetus. In Nevada, Frazier would eventually be charged with manslaughter under a unique 1911 law that supplements the state’s abortion restrictions, titled “taking drugs to terminate pregnancy.”
A very poor and isolated woman possibly caused her own miscarriage.
 
Another sacrifice:


Satan will be pleased.

And California has to remind a hospital of it's duties:

 
Boy, those abortion laws sure are improving a lot of people’s lives!
So much this.

I'm no fan of elective abortion used as birth control method. I get really judgey about it. But RvW was hugely superior, morally, to the current shit show of politicians in a "Crueler than Thou" competition at state legislature level.

As far as I am concerned, all Harris has to say on the subject, to get my vote, is Roe v Wade.
Tom
 
I'm no fan of elective abortion used as birth control method. I get really judgey about it.
Do you encounter a lot of instances of elective abortion?
How many is a lot?
I'm a gay man in a conservative place.

But if it helps you understand me better,
When I was around 20, my girlfriend and I got pregnant. We stressed and struggled together for about a month. We'd kinda decided on abortion. Then her period came back with a vengeance. She'd obviously miscarried, it was a problem she had her whole life. Over the next few weeks/months I couldn't help thinking about it. We were planning to kill our baby because they didn't fit in with our plans.
I flipped from solid RvW supporter, despite 12 years of Catholic school and conservative parents, to hard core anti-abortion.
Then, about a year after that, my younger sister got pregnant by her boyfriend. She wanted him, but not his baby. I drove her to the clinic myself, because I wanted someone who cared about her to be there, not just one of her ditzy friends.

Yeah, you might be surprised by how much experience an old faggot has with the subject.
Tom
 
I'm no fan of elective abortion used as birth control method. I get really judgey about it.
Do you encounter a lot of instances of elective abortion?
How many is a lot?
I'm a gay man in a conservative place.

But if it helps you understand me better,
When I was around 20, my girlfriend and I got pregnant. We stressed and struggled together for about a month. We'd kinda decided on abortion. Then her period came back with a vengeance. She'd obviously miscarried, it was a problem she had her whole life. Over the next few weeks/months I couldn't help thinking about it. We were planning to kill our baby because they didn't fit in with our plans.
You couldn't stop thinking about it. But the problem is the statement "girlfriend and I got pregnant" isn't accurate. The girlfriend was pregnant. And there are probably a lot of things going through her mind that could easily float outside the scope of "our plans", things really only a woman probably can relate to. Men can empathize, but the ball ain't in a guys court when it comes to pregnancy.

Pushing your issues with elective abortions aside for moral reasons, this (from a GOP perspective) is really a red herring. This isn't about the life of a baby. There is no party less pro-life than the GOP. Historically, we've seen the Evangelicals be some of the least pro-life Americans. This is about putting women back on a chain.

The moral issues regarding abortion need to be addressed by the individual woman, but it is very hard to take conservatives seriously on abortion. My strongly Catholic Aunt/Uncle who do a good deal of community work for their church know that banning abortion is wrong. That is because they put people first, not some radical religious doctrine. Meanwhile the right-wing attacked the #MeToo movement, Title IX (perhaps the oddest of Venn Diagrams... people who argued against Title IX and transgenders in women sports), applaud Butker for saying women should stay at home (not be given the choice), mock sexual sensitivity, and lose their shit whenever women star in roles they believe belong to men.

Abortion is just a convenient pole to joust with.
Yeah, you might be surprised by how much experience an old faggot has with the subject.
FYI, two examples isn't "a lot". Especially being a male.
 
I'm no fan of elective abortion used as birth control method. I get really judgey about it.
Do you encounter a lot of instances of elective abortion?
How many is a lot?
I'm a gay man in a conservative place.

But if it helps you understand me better,
When I was around 20, my girlfriend and I got pregnant. We stressed and struggled together for about a month. We'd kinda decided on abortion. Then her period came back with a vengeance. She'd obviously miscarried, it was a problem she had her whole life. Over the next few weeks/months I couldn't help thinking about it. We were planning to kill our baby because they didn't fit in with our plans.
You couldn't stop thinking about it. But the problem is the statement "girlfriend and I got pregnant" isn't accurate. The girlfriend was pregnant. And there are probably a lot of things going through her mind that could easily float outside the scope of "our plans", things really only a woman probably can relate to. Men can empathize, but the ball ain't in a guys court when it comes to pregnancy.

Pushing your issues with elective abortions aside for moral reasons, this (from a GOP perspective) is really a red herring. This isn't about the life of a baby. There is no party less pro-life than the GOP. Historically, we've seen the Evangelicals be some of the least pro-life Americans. This is about putting women back on a chain.

The moral issues regarding abortion need to be addressed by the individual woman, but it is very hard to take conservatives seriously on abortion. My strongly Catholic Aunt/Uncle who do a good deal of community work for their church know that banning abortion is wrong. That is because they put people first, not some radical religious doctrine. Meanwhile the right-wing attacked the #MeToo movement, Title IX (perhaps the oddest of Venn Diagrams... people who argued against Title IX and transgenders in women sports), applaud Butker for saying women should stay at home (not be given the choice), mock sexual sensitivity, and lose their shit whenever women star in roles they believe belong to men.

Abortion is just a convenient pole to joust with.
Yeah, you might be surprised by how much experience an old faggot has with the subject.
FYI, two examples isn't "a lot". Especially being a male.
So, why do women often say, "We're pregnant"?
 
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