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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

 
 
 
SLD said:
Your gdp is less than half of California, and smaller than Texas. And we did conquer Afghanistan and Vietnam and Cuba too. But we just left them eventually, because we don’t want them.
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It is pretty ironic for a Russian nationalist to bring up failing to conquer Afghanistan or reference Cuba.
 
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laughing dog said:
It is pretty ironic for a Russian nationalist to bring up failing to conquer Afghanistan or reference Cuba.
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Truly.
Babs should be in full celebration mode right now, due to Dear Leader’s success in getting his very own kompromatted puppet appointed as Supreme Leader of the United States of Trumpistan. Babs should be welcoming us into the International League of Shithole Nations, V Putin, Chairman, instead of comparing past failures.
 
I'm glad for Russia that they have an inexhaustible supply of snow so that they can continue to ice down the countless bruises they've gotten from Ukraine kicking their asses so badly for nearly three years now.
 
ZiprHead said:
barbos said:
When Yanukovych told Lithuanian president who was assigned to deal with Ukraine that EU agreement is utter shit which does nothing but assures his loss in the next elections, that cunt (former commie from USSR who lied about not being a member) said "So what?" implying that was the plan.
These people are absolute scum who would stop at nothing to enrich themselves with money from US corporations, who wanted Ukraine to get Russia.
None of these people care about Ukraine, they want Russia, they want to install their own people, split Russia into pieces and steal everything! They don't even hide it, it's in all their Think Tanks papers.
That was their master plan.
It's not about Ukraine, It's about Russia, and ultimately about China. You needed total subjugation of Russia in order to counter China. You lost Russia and Ukraine as well. Russia will take Ukraine and EU would have
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barbos said:
zorq said:
That's the whole problem. Russia started the war
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Nope, According to official EU report US started the war.
And ukrainians (in current Kiev regime) and georgians in former Saakashvili junta both confirm that US is responsible for the start of the war.
And while we at at it, No, Vietnam did not start the war with US, US did.
And no, there were no WMD in Iraq, it was all a lie by US administration.
And it was US who illegally invaded Yugoslavia.
And it was US who started/provoked USSR Afghan War.
US provoked Iran-Iraq war.
US is responsible for all wars in Latin America.
WW2 war with Japan? ...... You kinda provoked it too.
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Link to official EU report?
 
Ovazor said:
barbos said:
You have been predicting collapse of Russian economy for 10 years.
And do you even realize what it tells to anyone with functioning brain?
It tells us that it was your plan. Attack Russia using Georgia, then Ukraine and have russian economy to collapse.
It was your plan. And I bet your piece of shit president could not even hide it from Putin. I bet he literally told Putin that if you don't do what we tell you to do we will attack you with economic sanctions.
Unfortunately for your degenerate government it did not work and they had to improvise with actual attacks. And even that did not work. You're screwed. You have very angry (I hope) Russia and Europe without any economic prospects,
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barbos said:
SLD said:
An interesting analysis of the Russian economy.



There are clear signs that Russian economy is headed toward a collapse. Resources are being used to the maximum. This means they will be increasingly expensive for enterprises, and not everyone will be able to afford them. Prices are increasing, and the Russian Central Bank cannot stop them. Last week, according to Rosstat, inflation rose again: up to 0.37% (a week earlier, it was 0.30%). To slow down price growth, it is necessary either to stop economic growth and budget expenditures (infusions in the military-industrial complex, etc.) or put up with inflation rates above the target, the Russian Academy of Sciences said.

Only certain industries are growing in Russia, primarily machinery. In other words, what the budget pays huge amounts of money for and what goes to be destroyed in Ukraine is on the rise. This means that the money poured into industry does not bring anything to the economy except for the figures that are pleasant to the ear of the authorities. But even this growth has already been exhausted, as next year, GDP will increase by only 0.5-1%, and the growth rates of investments and private consumption may go to zero.

The International Monetary Fund predicts that the Russian economy will slow down threefold, from 3.9% growth this year to 1.3% next year. This is three and a half times less than in developed countries and 5-6 times less than in China or India.

A total of 4,363 legal Russian entities were declared bankrupt in the first six months of 2024, which is 40% more than in the same period a year earlier. And this is with the declared economic growth of 4%. What will happen at the economic growth of 0.5%, as predicted by the Central Bank? Mass bankruptcies and the economy of the early 90s - lots of tanks, nothing to eat?

In 2025, Russians will face a new series of losses and bankruptcies. The reason is not only sanctions restrictions but also growing problems inside Russia.

Rusal, one of the world's largest aluminum producers, announced the start of production optimization - it will be reduced by 250 thousand tons in the first stage. The company explained the decision of optimization by "record prices for raw materials and high risks of a continued negative macroeconomic environment."

Major Russian mining and metals company Mechel announced the suspension of one of its enterprises - Olzherasskaya-Novaya mine in Mezhdurechensk. The reason is problems with the sales market.

Major Russian corporation PJSC Gazprom made a record net loss of $6.1 billion in 2023, becoming Russia's most unprofitable company for the first time in 25 years.

ALROSA (Russian group of diamond mining companies) reduced its revenue under Russian Accounting Standards (RAS) by 30% and net profit by 3 times in 9 months. The net loss amounted to 6.5 billion rubles ($62,7 million).

Baltika brewing company is among the top ten most unprofitable companies in Russia in 2024. In 2022, the company's revenue was about 100 billion rubles ($965 million). In 2023, the net loss was 28.1 billion rubles ($271,1 million). The option of filling the budget by nationalizing profitable private enterprises has failed.

PJSC KAMAZ's net loss for the first nine months of 2024 amounted to 3.8 billion rubles ($36,6 million) against a profit of 15.8 billion rubles ($152,4 million) for the same period last year, according to financial statements published on the company's website.

AvtoVAZ automobile manufacturing company is talking about possible bankruptcy and debts of over 100 billion rubles ($965 million). This is due to the increase of the Russian key rate.

Rosneft CEO Igor Sechin is going to classify data on Russian oil exports and the production volumes of Russian refineries ostensibly to protect Russia's national interests from "unfriendly actions" by the USA and other Western countries. In reality, it is to hide the crisis in this field.

Sanctions were imposed on Gazprombank, the major bank, and fifty other banks. Sanctions were also imposed against the Russian System for Transfer of Financial Messages (SPFS, sort of Russian analog of the international SWIFT messaging system).
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But don’t worry. Trump will fix it!
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You have been predicting collapse of Russian economy for 10 years.
And do you even realize what it tells to anyone with functioning brain?
It tells us that it was your plan. Attack Russia using Georgia, then Ukraine and have russian economy to collapse.
It was your plan. And I bet your piece of shit president could not even hide it from Putin. I bet he literally told Putin that if you don't do what we tell you to do we will attack you with economic sanctions.
Unfortunately for your degenerate government it did not work and they had to improvise with actual attacks. And even that did not work. You're screwed. You have very angry (I hope) Russia and Europe without any economic prospects,
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Anybody with a functioning brain understand that the problems of the Russian economy are self-caused, but of course it is always easier to blame malignant foreigners. The Russian economy suffers from rampart corruption -Russian trolls always point out how corrupt Ukraine was, but Russia was much more corrupt. The corruption and the lack of rule of law throw tons of grit in the machinery that was not that good shape to begin with.

Russia could have become a modern functioning economy, but they got stuck with a sad little KGB-man with no understanding of economics.
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This is true. We gave them fucking McDonalds, a money making machine. And much more. We tried to make them a valuable trading partner and join the modern world. Putin preferred a bullshit war.
 
Harry Bosch said:
ZiprHead said:
barbos said:
When Yanukovych told Lithuanian president who was assigned to deal with Ukraine that EU agreement is utter shit which does nothing but assures his loss in the next elections, that cunt (former commie from USSR who lied about not being a member) said "So what?" implying that was the plan.
These people are absolute scum who would stop at nothing to enrich themselves with money from US corporations, who wanted Ukraine to get Russia.
None of these people care about Ukraine, they want Russia, they want to install their own people, split Russia into pieces and steal everything! They don't even hide it, it's in all their Think Tanks papers.
That was their master plan.
It's not about Ukraine, It's about Russia, and ultimately about China. You needed total subjugation of Russia in order to counter China. You lost Russia and Ukraine as well. Russia will take Ukraine and EU would have
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barbos said:
zorq said:
That's the whole problem. Russia started the war
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Nope, According to official EU report US started the war.
And ukrainians (in current Kiev regime) and georgians in former Saakashvili junta both confirm that US is responsible for the start of the war.
And while we at at it, No, Vietnam did not start the war with US, US did.
And no, there were no WMD in Iraq, it was all a lie by US administration.
And it was US who illegally invaded Yugoslavia.
And it was US who started/provoked USSR Afghan War.
US provoked Iran-Iraq war.
US is responsible for all wars in Latin America.
WW2 war with Japan? ...... You kinda provoked it too.
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Link to official EU report?
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I already did that few times.
 
barbos said:
Harry Bosch said:
ZiprHead said:
barbos said:
When Yanukovych told Lithuanian president who was assigned to deal with Ukraine that EU agreement is utter shit which does nothing but assures his loss in the next elections, that cunt (former commie from USSR who lied about not being a member) said "So what?" implying that was the plan.
These people are absolute scum who would stop at nothing to enrich themselves with money from US corporations, who wanted Ukraine to get Russia.
None of these people care about Ukraine, they want Russia, they want to install their own people, split Russia into pieces and steal everything! They don't even hide it, it's in all their Think Tanks papers.
That was their master plan.
It's not about Ukraine, It's about Russia, and ultimately about China. You needed total subjugation of Russia in order to counter China. You lost Russia and Ukraine as well. Russia will take Ukraine and EU would have
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barbos said:
zorq said:
That's the whole problem. Russia started the war
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Nope, According to official EU report US started the war.
And ukrainians (in current Kiev regime) and georgians in former Saakashvili junta both confirm that US is responsible for the start of the war.
And while we at at it, No, Vietnam did not start the war with US, US did.
And no, there were no WMD in Iraq, it was all a lie by US administration.
And it was US who illegally invaded Yugoslavia.
And it was US who started/provoked USSR Afghan War.
US provoked Iran-Iraq war.
US is responsible for all wars in Latin America.
WW2 war with Japan? ...... You kinda provoked it too.
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Link to official EU report?
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I already did that few times.
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No, you didn't.
 
ZiprHead said:
No, you didn't.
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I certainly did.

In other news. Regime in Kiev apparently thinking about sending mentally retarded to fight the war. It could significantly increase the number of soldiers :) cause you know, there are a lot of them there, just look at their government for example.
And military pensioners, they are about to be recruited back. Russia can certainly appreciate that, who wants to pay them pensions once Okraina back in Russia?
18-25 age group is safe for now and I would like it stay that way. They will be educated and become a work force in Russia.

Speaking of mentally retarded, that kinda makes sense becasue most of the newly mobilized are used as meat. They are sent to simply occupy area to slow down russian advance, they are not intended to offer any resistance, they just create obstacle with their presence. Well trained Nazi units are used as fire brigades. Russian forces have differentiation too but not as drastic.
 
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barbos said:
zorq said:
That's the whole problem. Russia started the war
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Nope, According to official EU report US started the war.
And ukrainians (in current Kiev regime) and georgians in former Saakashvili junta both confirm that US is responsible for the start of the war.
And while we at at it, No, Vietnam did not start the war with US, US did.
And no, there were no WMD in Iraq, it was all a lie by US administration.
And it was US who illegally invaded Yugoslavia.
And it was US who started/provoked USSR Afghan War.
US provoked Iran-Iraq war.
US is responsible for all wars in Latin America.
WW2 war with Japan? ...... You kinda provoked it too.
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I love how you are completely unable to offer any evidence for underhanded US manipulations in Ukraine at all. Only paranoia, prejudice, and conspiracy theories. It's like you enjoy proving me right and showing yourself to be irrational and overly emotional at every opportunity.

You know that you don't have to do this right? Nobody is forcing you. You are allowed reassess your beliefs intellectually by evaluating actual evidence. Then you can come to new conclusions that aren't based entirely on what you WANT to be true. Just remember to go find ACTUAL evidence, and not the unsupported ramblings of idiots and stooges on youtube comment sections.
 
zorq said:
I love how you are completely unable to offer any evidence for underhanded US manipulations in Ukraine at all.
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I am constantly amazed at american ability to ignore reality.
You remind me that famous video of US administration admiral proclaiming with a straight face that Russia is a threat becasue it is on NATO doorsteps, to which the last decent reporter in White House pool replied "Yeah, that's becasue NATO moved to Russia's doorsteps"

US absolutely and literally started this war. Ukrainian government assholes themselves literally said that, Merkel said that, BoJo said that and he is proud of it.
 
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barbos said:
zorq said:
I love how you are completely unable to offer any evidence for underhanded US manipulations in Ukraine at all.
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I am constantly amazed at american ability to ignore reality.
You remind me that famous video of US administration admiral proclaiming with a straight face that Russia is a threat becasue it is on NATO doorsteps, to which the last decent reporter in White House pool replied "Yeah, that's becasue NATO moved to Russia's doorsteps"

US absolutely and literally started this war. Ukrainian government assholes themselves literally said that, Merkel said that, BoJo said that and he is proud of it.
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You keep insisting that we are ignoring you and you continue to never provide actual evidence for your claims. You see, claims without evidence are ignored because claims without evidence are worthless. Do you seriously not understand the basic fabric of reality? When an ancient Greek scholar insists that "Apollo pulls the sun across the sky," does a rational person believe it? No. But you probably do. You seem to believe anything you want to believe despite the evidence or lack thereof.
 
zorq said:
You keep insisting that we are ignoring you and you continue to never provide actual evidence for your claims.
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Yes, you ignore facts I provide. You never comment on them you simply act as if they were not provided.
According to you US is never wrong, becasue it was never found to be wrong by .... US.
Some US government motherfucker shows some vial with some shit and says "Saddam is bad, here is the evidence!"
You take it as a word of God.
Some US government motherfucker, goes on TV and says Vietnam attacked US ships somewhere....
Do you have even a tiny bit self doubt? Or you an illustration to Dunning-Kruger effect?
 
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barbos said:
zorq said:
You keep insisting that we are ignoring you and you continue to never provide actual evidence for your claims.
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Yes, you ignore facts I provide. You never comment on them you simply act as if they were not provided.
According to you US is never wrong, becasue it was never found to be wrong by .... US.
Some US government motherfucker shows some vial with some shit and says "Saddam is bad, here is the evidence!"
You take it as a word of God.
Some US government motherfucker, goes on TV and says Vietnam attacked US ships somewhere....
Do you have even a tiny bit self doubt? Or you an illustration to Dunning-Kruger effect?
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Oh, I am highly aware that the US government is capable of some stunning lies. I've made acknowledgement of that dozens of times here and even a few times in this thread. But are you able to recognize the stunning lies the Russian government is capable of? I don't recall you acknowledging any Russian lies and propaganda. I only recall you repeating ridiculous Russian propaganda lies. Like how you think Ukraine was committing genocide in Donbas. Or like how you say the US had something to do with Euromaidan. These are lies that you believe and propagate despite having no evidence.
 
barbos said:
zorq said:
You keep insisting that we are ignoring you and you continue to never provide actual evidence for your claims.
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Yes, you ignore facts I provide. You never comment on them you simply act as if they were not provided.
According to you US is never wrong, becasue it was never found to be wrong by .... US.
Some US government motherfucker shows some vial with some shit and says "Saddam is bad, here is the evidence!"
You take it as a word of God.
Some US government motherfucker, goes on TV and says Vietnam attacked US ships somewhere....
Do you have even a tiny bit self doubt? Or you an illustration to Dunning-Kruger effect?
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You never provide any facts. You remind of me a creationists. They too tend to post what their pastor tells them as a fact, and when asked for a source go for the "I already told you" routine.
 
zorq said:
barbos said:
zorq said:
I love how you are completely unable to offer any evidence for underhanded US manipulations in Ukraine at all.
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I am constantly amazed at american ability to ignore reality.
You remind me that famous video of US administration admiral proclaiming with a straight face that Russia is a threat becasue it is on NATO doorsteps, to which the last decent reporter in White House pool replied "Yeah, that's becasue NATO moved to Russia's doorsteps"

US absolutely and literally started this war. Ukrainian government assholes themselves literally said that, Merkel said that, BoJo said that and he is proud of it.
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You keep insisting that we are ignoring you and you continue to never provide actual evidence for your claims
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And only responds with idiotic whataboutisms when confronted. "I don't support Russia because x" "well clearly you support the U.S. in everything it does!" Except I don't. Ask any idiotic conservative who gives leftists shit for not supporting dictatorships. Neither do leftists support CIA torture camps and whatever other bullshit.
 
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barbos said:
According to you US is never wrong, becasue it was never found to be wrong by .... US.
Some US government motherfucker shows some vial with some shit and says "Saddam is bad, here is the evidence!"
You take it as a word of God.
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How do you manage to remain this ignorant?

The USA government gets all kinds of flack, including here, for the long history of crime against humanity. I've personally described helping launch street demonstrations against the Invasion of Iraq! Most people agree about US misbehavior, from SE Asia to Central America to the middle east!
Tom
 
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