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thebeave said:
Politesse said:
thebeave said:
Kamala's pandering ads to men were pretty pathetic...cartoonish stereotypes of men. They probably had the opposite effect intended.
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Yes, I fucking know.
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Oh. You were being sarcastic then? My bad, if so. Its hard to tell sometimes. Poe's law and all.
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I believe that Harris spent a billion dollars trying to lure Republican voters over to her side, ignoring and sidelining her base in favor of trying to convince the mythical middle that it was "okay" to vote for her. I do not believe there was ever any chance that she was going to be successful in winning the presidency via that strategy.

Edit to clarify: I don't think this was ALL on Kamala, despite my many disagreements with her. If anything, the actual election came closer than I thought it would. I'd been taking it as given that Trump would be re-elected ever since the first debate, to say nothing of the two assassination attempts. The country as a whole is shifting in Trump's direction, not hers, and no amount of money or rhetoric could have changed that fact.
 
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thebeave said:
Huh?? How did you get all that from that one ad, directed at men?

Kamala's pandering ads to men were pretty pathetic, cartoonish stereotypes of men. They probably had the opposite effect intended:

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Yick! :sick: I think thebeave is correct. Don't the Dems test their ads with some pool of undecided voters?

I think that ad supports the opinion that Democratic Party leaders are "elites," out of touch with ordinary Americans.
 
What undecided voters? If there's anyone left in the country who straight up doesn't have an opinion on Donald J Trump, I dount they're the types to volunteer their time screening potential political ads.
 
TSwizzle said:
thebeave said:
Kamala's pandering ads to men were pretty pathetic, cartoonish stereotypes of men. They probably had the opposite effect intended:

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That's not for real is it? It looks like a SNL skit or parody.
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Apparently, its real and meant to be taken seriously though its not officially endorsed by Harris/Walz themselves. My favorite is the grey beard, googly eyed Harley mechanic. Surprised he didn't say he collects Hello Kitty memorabilia. :ROFLMAO:

ETA: And as usual with stuff like this, the youtube comments are a comedy goldmine.
 
Swammerdami said:
thebeave said:
Huh?? How did you get all that from that one ad, directed at men?

Kamala's pandering ads to men were pretty pathetic, cartoonish stereotypes of men. They probably had the opposite effect intended:

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Yick! :sick: I think thebeave is correct. Don't the Dems test their ads with some pool of undecided voters?

I think that ad supports the opinion that Democratic Party leaders are "elites," out of touch with ordinary Americans.
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The Dems didn't create that ad. If i recall correctly, there's even a disclaimer that says "Not authorized by a candidate" or something like that. It was created by a comedy writer.

Edit: Found it. Creators name is Jacob Reed and he made for a group called Creatives For Harris. Reed said "Because even though it’s more sketch comedy than political ad, what these men are saying is true — except being afraid of bears. A bear will straight-up kill you."
 
thebeave said:
Apparently, its real and meant to be taken seriously though its not officially endorsed by Harris/Walz themselves. My favorite is the grey beard, googly eyed Harley mechanic. Surprised he didn't say he collects Hello Kitty memorabilia. :ROFLMAO:
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Good grief, who comes up with this nonsense? My favorite is the gay fella sitting on the tailgate of the pick up truck. "I love women" he declares. Sure you do honey, you wanna be a woman!!
 
TSwizzle said:
thebeave said:
Apparently, its real and meant to be taken seriously though its not officially endorsed by Harris/Walz themselves. My favorite is the grey beard, googly eyed Harley mechanic. Surprised he didn't say he collects Hello Kitty memorabilia. :ROFLMAO:
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Good grief, who comes up with this nonsense? My favorite is the gay fella sitting on the tailgate of the pick up truck. "I love women" he declares. Sure you do honey, you wanna be a woman!!
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"It's gay to like women".
 
cycomiko said:
The Dems didn't create that ad. If i recall correctly, there's even a disclaimer that says "Not authorized by a candidate" or something like that. It was created by a comedy writer.

Edit: Found it. Creators name is Jacob Reed and he made for a group called Creatives For Harris. Reed said "Because even though it’s more sketch comedy than political ad, what these men are saying is true — except being afraid of bears. A bear will straight-up kill you."
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Well that makes a little bit more sense.
 
There were a lot of mostly young male voters who went from supporting Bernie to supporting Trump. Go figure!

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/...e_code=1.gE4.aA1t.0W7Xn9a2eqU8&smid=url-share

They feel frustrated by the status quo, and they’re fed up with the system. They don’t trust politicians, and they want revolutionary change.

They are men, many of them younger, who are looking for a champion. Once, they liked Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont as a presidential candidate. This election, they voted for Donald J. Trump.

The number of Sanders supporters who have gone MAGA is most likely a sliver of the electorate. But they illustrate an important pattern in American politics, political scientists say, one that might help explain Mr. Trump’s success with young men in particular. For certain voters, political preferences are defined not by party, but by their attitudes about the ruling class — whether they trust people in power, or think they’ve rigged the system against ordinary people.

In the final New York Times/Siena College national poll in late October, nearly two-thirds of voters said the government was “mostly working to benefit itself and the elites,” rather than “the people and the country.” Eighty-two percent of Trump voters said so, twice as many as Kamala Harris voters.
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The idea resonated in particular with men and younger voters, the poll found — groups that Mr. Trump especially courted in this election and that Mr. Sanders did well with in his Democratic primary campaigns in 2016 and 2020.

“The connective tissue from Trump to Sanders is something akin to populism — the ruling class sucks — and that rhetoric plays wellamong a certain class of people who don’t feel the government works for them,” said Joshua Dyck, a political science professor at the University of Massachusetts Lowell.

“The politics of anti-elite grievance is not just popular in the United States and it’s not just popular on the right,” he said. “It is the story of politics right now.”

Perhaps the highest-profile Sanders-to-Trump supporter is Joe Rogan, the popular podcaster, especially among young men. He endorsed Mr. Sanders in 2020, and while he once disavowed Mr. Trump, this year he had him on his show and endorsed him.
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Please read the entire shared article and then explain this to me because I can't really make sense of why these mostly young men believe that Trump has their best interest at heart.
 
TSwizzle said:
cycomiko said:
The Dems didn't create that ad. If i recall correctly, there's even a disclaimer that says "Not authorized by a candidate" or something like that. It was created by a comedy writer.

Edit: Found it. Creators name is Jacob Reed and he made for a group called Creatives For Harris. Reed said "Because even though it’s more sketch comedy than political ad, what these men are saying is true — except being afraid of bears. A bear will straight-up kill you."
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Well that makes a little bit more sense.
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yeah, i remember when i first saw it too. i thought there was no way that could've been an official ad for anything.

it kinda reminded me of this one:
 
thebeave said:
TSwizzle said:
thebeave said:
Kamala's pandering ads to men were pretty pathetic, cartoonish stereotypes of men. They probably had the opposite effect intended:

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That's not for real is it? It looks like a SNL skit or parody.
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Apparently, its real and meant to be taken seriously though its not officially endorsed by Harris/Walz themselves. My favorite is the grey beard, googly eyed Harley mechanic. Surprised he didn't say he collects Hello Kitty memorabilia. :ROFLMAO:

ETA: And as usual with stuff like this, the youtube comments are a comedy goldmine.
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Real? Doesn't seem to be.

Reuters said:
A disclaimer that says, "Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee" can be seen at the bottom of the clip in the last few seconds.

The video can be traced to, opens new tab the TikTok account, opens new tab “@typographynerd,” of comedy writer and director Jacob Reed. The account handle also appears in a watermark on the video.

Responding to Reuters’ request for comment, Reed reiterated that the ad was not authorized by any candidate. He also pointed to an interview, opens new tab with CNN’s Laura Coates, opens new tab in which he said that he made the commercial with friends.
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jonatha said:
Derec said:
Maybe not insulting your fellow Americans every chance you get would make them more inclined to listen to you.
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Not following this advice got Trump elected President...
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Republicans can get away with this, dems can’t. It’s very easy for the base on the left to get butt hurt, offended and then either not vote or vote third party. The left is the big tent party with many different views.
 
jonatha said:
bigfield said:
Seppo = septic tank = Yank
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Wait, so Australia has Cockney rhyming slang (or some variant thereof)?
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Why wouldn't we? The nation was founded by petty criminals, and I can assure you that the nineteenth century English 'justice' system wasn't sentencing mainly prosperous landowners and merchants to transportation.

Australian English is based on the inner city patois of the time (blended with the accents of Irish Nationalists), and Cockneys were very strongly represented. And even amongst cockneys, rhyming slang was concentrated in the criminal underclass - it began as a thieves cant, a 'secret language' in which crime could be discussed with, at the very least, plausible deniability, if not rank incomprehension on the part of the authorities. The need for such a cant was hardly lessened by being placed in a prison colony.

It would be strange if cockney rhyming slang were not a strong element of Australian English.
 
bilby said:
jonatha said:
bigfield said:
Seppo = septic tank = Yank
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Wait, so Australia has Cockney rhyming slang (or some variant thereof)?
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Why wouldn't we? The nation was founded by petty criminals, and I can assure you that the nineteenth century English 'justice' system wasn't sentencing mainly prosperous landowners and merchants to transportation.

Australian English is based on the inner city patois of the time (blended with the accents of Irish Nationalists), and Cockneys were very strongly represented. And even amongst cockneys, rhyming slang was concentrated in the criminal underclass - it began as a thieves cant, a 'secret language' in which crime could be discussed with, at the very least, plausible deniability, if not rank incomprehension on the part of the authorities. The need for such a cant was hardly lessened by being placed in a prison colony.

It would be strange if cockney rhyming slang were not a strong element of Australian English.
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Hmm, when did that happen thereabouts?
 
Loren Pechtel said:
bigfield said:
The Democrats cannot use the populist tactics employed by Maga. They've positioned themselves as a moderate/centrist party. Their policy platform is basically to maintain the status quo but with some minor tweaks. Such a party has no broad message to campaign on besides, "things are mostly fine, how about another four more years of this?"
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Yup. But boring is good in politics. I'm thinking of a story that involved time travel, the protagonist considers it good that she doesn't remember the president's term. (They had no opportunity to prepare, the time trip was a desperation move.)
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Please give me more boring and less exciting...I have no desire to live in 'interesting times'
 
Jarhyn said:
bilby said:
jonatha said:
bigfield said:
Seppo = septic tank = Yank
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Wait, so Australia has Cockney rhyming slang (or some variant thereof)?
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Why wouldn't we? The nation was founded by petty criminals, and I can assure you that the nineteenth century English 'justice' system wasn't sentencing mainly prosperous landowners and merchants to transportation.

Australian English is based on the inner city patois of the time (blended with the accents of Irish Nationalists), and Cockneys were very strongly represented. And even amongst cockneys, rhyming slang was concentrated in the criminal underclass - it began as a thieves cant, a 'secret language' in which crime could be discussed with, at the very least, plausible deniability, if not rank incomprehension on the part of the authorities. The need for such a cant was hardly lessened by being placed in a prison colony.

It would be strange if cockney rhyming slang were not a strong element of Australian English.
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Hmm, when did that happen thereabouts?
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I am afraid I cannot answer that question, because I am not clear what "that" is referring to.

Are you asking about the history of theives cants; The specifics of cockney rhyming slang as a example of such; The history of transportation of English convicts to Australia, or of Irish and/or cockney convicts being included in the process; The history of Australian English as a language; The adoption of rhyming slang by Australian English; Or something else?

I am also somewhat uncertain as to the breadth of the timeframe intended by your use of the word "when"; And by which element of the question the modifier "thereabouts" is supposed to be modifying.

TL;DR:

Wha?
 
bilby said:
Jarhyn said:
bilby said:
jonatha said:
bigfield said:
Seppo = septic tank = Yank
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Wait, so Australia has Cockney rhyming slang (or some variant thereof)?
Click to expand...
Why wouldn't we? The nation was founded by petty criminals, and I can assure you that the nineteenth century English 'justice' system wasn't sentencing mainly prosperous landowners and merchants to transportation.

Australian English is based on the inner city patois of the time (blended with the accents of Irish Nationalists), and Cockneys were very strongly represented. And even amongst cockneys, rhyming slang was concentrated in the criminal underclass - it began as a thieves cant, a 'secret language' in which crime could be discussed with, at the very least, plausible deniability, if not rank incomprehension on the part of the authorities. The need for such a cant was hardly lessened by being placed in a prison colony.

It would be strange if cockney rhyming slang were not a strong element of Australian English.
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Hmm, when did that happen thereabouts?
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I am afraid I cannot answer that question, because I am not clear what "that" is referring to.

Are you asking about the history of theives cants; The specifics of cockney rhyming slang as a example of such; The history of transportation of English convicts to Australia, or of Irish and/or cockney convicts being included in the process; The history of Australian English as a language; The adoption of rhyming slang by Australian English; Or something else?

I am also somewhat uncertain as to the breadth of the timeframe intended by your use of the word "when"; And by which element of the question the modifier "thereabouts" is supposed to be modifying.

TL;DR:

Wha?
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Earliest known cockney thieves' cant.
 
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