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Government shutdown again?

I don't honestly think at this point, it's even going that far. They are literally just acting out, and anything that they think makes the current administration look bad is, by definition, good. A decade ago, you might be right, but I don't even think there's any real grift going on. The gop is literally just hurting the country (and a lot of the people hurt are stupid enough to still vote for them).
It does just come down to "Own the libs." and retain your seat of power. The vast majority of people know nothing about what is going on behind the scenes at DoD as described in the article you posted. And it's not just DoD, it's other government agencies as well. Companies just do not want the hassle of dealing with the government. When it comes to these disruptions in services, small companies just can't hang financially with the big boys so there ends up being consolidation in the industry where the big defense contractors can dictate terms to the government because no one else is bidding on the work. So we end up paying a lot more for a lot less.

Maybe if it was described to the general public as needing these small companies who come up with novel approaches to protecting commercial aircraft taking off from our airports from small drone attacks, they'd get it.
 
VICTORY: More than 50 Anti-LGBTQ+ Riders Stripped from Appropriations Bill - Human Rights Campaign - March 22, 2024
In all, 52 new anti-LGBTQ+ provisions were proposed – with 51 suffering defeat. The defeated provisions included those that would have restricted medically necessary health care for transgender people, given license to engage in taxpayer-funded discrimination against married same-sex couples, blocked nondiscrimination and DE&I efforts, and further stigmatized the LGBTQ+ community.

Despite this failed attempt by House Republicans to use the appropriations process to attack LGBTQ+ people, media outlets have reported Speaker Mike Johnson is attempting to claim victory by touting a mean-spirited but limited provision that would continue to allow LGBTQ+ pride flags to be present in almost all cases at embassies except being flown over the exterior of the building. It poses absolutely no limits to other displays of a pride flag, hosting LGBTQ+ events or embassy employees’ ability to display Pride flags in their work spaces.
What losers.
 
Last week:

The House vote:
R: Y 101, N 112, nv 6
D: Y 185, N 22, nv 6
Ttl: Y 286, N 134, nv 12

The Democrats who voted against this bill were mostly Squad and Squadlike ones. Among the Republicans to vote against it were the likes of MTG and Lauren Boebert.

The Senate vote:
D: Y 47, N 1
I: Y 2, N 1
R: Y 25, N 22, nv 2
Ttl: Y 74, N 24, nv 2

Bernie Sanders (I-VT) is Squadlike, but Michael Bennet (D-CO) isn't.
 
From "House sends Senate bill to avert shutdown"
The vote is also a win of sorts for Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.), who staved off a shutdown, got the package passed despite intense conservative criticism, and avoided having to pass a massive, end-of-year omnibus spending bill, which conservatives abhor. Hard-liners, however, have derided the pair of funding bills — known as minibuses — as a two-part omnibus.

From "Senate sends $1.2T spending bill to Biden’s desk in late night vote"
Negotiations to expedite its passage in the Senate dragged on for hours Friday, as conservatives pressed for votes on amendments to the plan. At one point, many senators were pessimistic about the possibility of passing the bill before Sunday.

Any amendment added to the bill would have required it to go back to the House, which has already left Washington for a two-week recess — and risked putting vulnerable Democrats in the position of taking difficult votes.

The amendments Republicans have been pushing for include border measures like the Laken Riley Act, which would require detention of undocumented immigrants charged with theft-related crimes, senators say. Another amendment, pushed by Sen. Mike Crapo (R-Idaho), targets a Biden administration tailpipe emissions rule.

From "$1.2T bipartisan spending deal signed into law: Five things to know"
Remaining agencies funded through Sept. 30

The “minibus” includes funding for the departments of Defense, Homeland Security, Labor, Trade, Labor, State, Education, Health and Human Services and other legislative priorities, through the end of the 2024 fiscal year.

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Funds boosted for border security, enforcement

Republicans in both chambers leaned heavily on funding to secure the U.S.-Mexico border, arguing the Biden administration’s current policies don’t do enough to combat the surge of migrants at the border.

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Foreign aid, nondefense spending see modest cuts

The bills did not make the drastic cuts House Republicans have sought in the past. But, more than 70 percent of the funds approved in the deal would be allocated to the Department of Defense.

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Democrats tout improvements in education, health

Funding boosts for early childhood education and health care programs were among Democratic priorities.

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Small wins for GOP on embassy flags, gas stoves

Republicans also secured a win with a provision that would effectively ban unofficial flags from being flown at U.S. embassies.

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Another rider that made it into the final version would also block bans on gas stoves, another win for the GOP. The issue has been at the center of debate in Washington after a Consumer Product Safety Commission member indicated last year that the panel was considering regulations or a ban on them.

From "Biden Signs Final Bill to Fund the Government, Ending Shutdown Fears"
Democrats and Republicans both highlighted victories in the final legislation. Republicans cited as victories funding for 2,000 new Border Patrol agents, additional detention beds run by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and a provision cutting off aid to the main United Nations agency that provides assistance to Palestinians. Democrats, including Mr. Biden, secured funding increases for federal child care and education programs, cancer and Alzheimer’s research.

Mr. Biden noted that two important pieces of legislation were still pending in Congress: an agreement on border security and a foreign aid package that would provide arms to Israel and Ukraine. The Senate approved the foreign aid measure in a bipartisan vote last month, but it faces hostility from Republicans in the House.
 
The Republicans great triumph :D in the recent budget bill:
Budget deal would effectively ban pride flags above US embassies | The Hill - 03/22/24 6:07 PM ET
The $1.2 trillion government funding bill, passed Saturday, includes a provision that would functionally prohibit pride flags from flying over U.S. embassies.

The provision didn’t explicitly say as much, but its text mimics language from similar efforts to ban pride flags from flying over government buildings.

According to the text, “None of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be obligated or expended to fly or display a flag over a facility of the United States Department of State,” except for those in a list of exceptions, which does not include the pride flag.
 
It is approaching the end of the Federal Government's fiscal year, and shutdown time approaches.

House GOP leaders weigh options as Trump pushes for a government shutdown fight - "House Republican leaders are considering tying federal funding to a GOP election bill that Democrats say is a poison pill. The deadline to avoid a shutdown is Sept. 30."
Trump has called on Republicans in Congress to link funding the government with the SAVE Act, which would require proof of citizenship to vote — in a bid to target non-citizen voting, which is already illegal. And House Republican leaders are considering adopting the strategy and picking a fight with Democrats.

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The SAVE Act would require all voters to register to vote with proof of citizenship. Trump and allied Republicans contend the measure is intended to keep non-citizens from voting. Johnson and Trump rolled out the measure at Mar-a-Lago earlier this year.

Democrats have torched the bill, which has already passed the House as a standalone measure, as a “partisan scare tactic meant to erode confidence in our elections,” accusing the GOP of picking a fight over a fake problem — it is already illegal and very rare for non-citizens to vote.


This is something like what happened early this year, when Donald Trump demanded that Republicans turn against the border-security bill that they wanted, because he didn't want to give President Biden and his fellow Democrats a victory. He got what he wanted.
Republicans kill border bill in a sign of Trump's strength and McConnell's waning influence - Feb. 7, 2024, 2:20 PM PST - "Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell encouraged GOP senators to pass an immigration and Ukraine aid deal. Just four of them supported it. In the end, even he voted no."
 
This is something like what happened early this year, when Donald Trump demanded that Republicans turn against the border-security bill that they wanted, because he didn't want to give President Biden and his fellow Democrats a victory. He got what he wanted.
Republicans kill border bill in a sign of Trump's strength and McConnell's waning influence - Feb. 7, 2024, 2:20 PM PST - "Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell encouraged GOP senators to pass an immigration and Ukraine aid deal. Just four of them supported it. In the end, even he voted no."

I doubt that Republicans would have gotten away with killing that bill by threatening to shut down the government over it. And there is far less fear over foreigners illegally voting than there is over the idea of foreigners flooding illegally across the borders to rob, rape, and sell drugs. Voting irregularities don't quite stir the blood as much, so Donald Trump might not want to be seen as favoring one at this point in his campaign. In any case, the House is full of people trying to win reelection right now, so some Republican House members may have second thoughts about backing a government shutdown.
 
The SAVE Act would require all voters to register to vote with proof of citizenship.

What state doesn't already require this?
 
The SAVE Act would require all voters to register to vote with proof of citizenship.

What state doesn't already require this?

What is left out of the description is that you have to register in person with proof of citizenship. Presumably, this would end voter registration drives, since people would then have to physically go to a location to register rather than merely sign up to be registered. A much better law would simply be to register every citizen either at birth (effective eligibility begins at legal age) or through some other automatic means such as naturalization. The idea of making people register in person is stupid. If people don't want to vote, they can be registered and just not vote. If they do, they should not need to go through this kind of ritual.
 
The SAVE Act would require all voters to register to vote with proof of citizenship.

What state doesn't already require this?

What is left out of the description is that you have to register in person with proof of citizenship. Presumably, this would end voter registration drives, since people would then have to physically go to a location to register rather than merely sign up to be registered. A much better law would simply be to register every citizen either at birth (effective eligibility begins at legal age) or through some other automatic means such as naturalization. The idea of making people register in person is stupid. If people don't want to vote, they can be registered and just not vote. If they do, they should not need to go through this kind of ritual.
Of course it's stupid but it drives down the eligible voting pool which always favors minority candidates which typically has been all presidential republican candidates for a couple decades.
 
Of course it's stupid but it drives down the eligible voting pool which always favors minority candidates which typically has been all presidential republican candidates for a couple decades.

Yes, that's the Republican vision for the future. I wonder if you can find it in their omnibus Project 2025 overhaul of the US government.
 
I've been slow :(

Trump government shutdown SAVE Act spending - Wed, Sep 11 20241:32 PM EDT
Truth Details | Truth Social - Donald Trump:
If Republicans in the House, and Senate, don’t get absolute assurances on Election Security, THEY SHOULD, IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, GO FORWARD WITH A CONTINUING RESOLUTION ON THE BUDGET. THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO “STUFF” VOTER REGISTRATIONS WITH ILLEGAL ALIENS. DON’T LET IT HAPPEN - CLOSE IT DOWN!!!
The article again:
House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., is currently trying to pass a six-month stopgap funding bill paired with the controversial SAVE Act, a legislative proposal that would require individuals to show proof of citizenship at the ballot box.

Congressional Democrats have repeatedly signaled they will not pass a funding bill attached to such a policy, which they see as a “poison pill,” or a controversial bill tied to a piece of legislation as a way to tank the overall deal.

Mike Johnson's coming surrender on the government shutdown - Sep 19, 2024 - "This caps 10 excruciating days for Johnson. At each step, he's insisted the inevitable wasn't inevitable. No one bought it." - "Johnson's six-month stopgap plus the voting legislation failed yesterday."

US government begins preparations for a partial shutdown with one week until deadline – despite agreement | CNN Politics - 5:00 AM EDT, Mon September 23, 2024
Still, with roughly a week until the deadline, the standard procedure laying out the steps toward bringing nonessential government functions to a halt will soon get underway for all federal government departments and agencies, an administration official told CNN.
 
Senate sends bill to avert government shutdown to Biden's desk - 09/25/24 6:27 PM ET
The Senate voted 78-18 on the stopgap bill, known as a continuing resolution (CR), that will keep the government funded at current spending levels until Dec. 20, at which point it will spark a holiday fight during the lame-duck session.

Congress passes 3-month funding extension to avoid government shutdown - CBS News - September 25, 2024 / 7:58 PM EDT

Congress funds the government but faces another shutdown threat before Christmas - Sept. 26, 2024, 4:00 AM PDT
Bipartisan negotiators have been trying to make progress on the 12 bills needed to fund federal agencies for the 2025 fiscal year.

Yet there's little time to pass those bills during the lame-duck session; House members and senators are scheduled to be in Washington for only five weeks between Election Day and the end of the year, and the two chambers haven’t reached agreement on any of the dozen measures, known as appropriations bills.

A more likely scenario is that Democrats and Republicans would strike an end-of-year deal on a massive, catchall omnibus spending package or punt the issue once again with another continuing resolution, or CR, that would extend funding into the new year on a short-term basis.
 
H.R.9747 - 118th Congress (2023-2024): Continuing Appropriations and Extensions Act, 2025 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

Sep 25, 2024, 04:31 PM | 118th Congress, 2nd Session
R: Y 132, N 82, nv 6
D: Y 209, nv 3
Ttl: Y 321, N 82, nv 9

The no votes included some familiar right-wingers like MTG and LB and MG.

U.S. Senate: U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 118th Congress - 2nd Session -- September 25, 2024, 05:18 PM
R: Y 28, N 18, nv 3
D: Y 46, nv 1
I: Y 4
Ttl: Y 78, N 18, nv 4

Signed into law by President Biden on 09/26/2024.
 
 Government shutdowns in the United States - the first ones were under Carter, Reagan, and Bush I, but they were very short. 1980: 1 day, FTC only. 1981: 1 day. 1984: 4 hours, 1986: 4 hours, 1990: 3 days.

The Democrats controlled the House back then, but every later one was with the Republicans controlling the House.

Nov 1995: 5 days. 1995-96: 21 days. 2013: 16 days, Jan 2018: 3 days, 2018-19: 35 days.
 
 Government shutdowns in the United States - the first ones were under Carter, Reagan, and Bush I, but they were very short. 1980: 1 day, FTC only. 1981: 1 day. 1984: 4 hours, 1986: 4 hours, 1990: 3 days.

The Democrats controlled the House back then, but every later one was with the Republicans controlling the House.

Nov 1995: 5 days. 1995-96: 21 days. 2013: 16 days, Jan 2018: 3 days, 2018-19: 35 days.

I doubt that most Americans realize that Donald Trump holds the record for the longest government shutdown.
 
House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., is currently trying to pass a six-month stopgap funding bill paired with the controversial SAVE Act, a legislative proposal that would require individuals to show proof of citizenship at the ballot box.

I can see this actually pissing off a shit ton of right wingers. "Who, me? I'm a goddamn red blooded American and I've been voting for a long time. Why should I have to show you shit?"
 
House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., is currently trying to pass a six-month stopgap funding bill paired with the controversial SAVE Act, a legislative proposal that would require individuals to show proof of citizenship at the ballot box.

I can see this actually pissing off a shit ton of right wingers. "Who, me? I'm a goddamn red blooded American and I've been voting for a long time. Why should I have to show you shit?"
An awful lot of women won't be able to show suitable proof.
 
Government funding bill clears Congress, averting a shutdown | AP News
Facing a government shutdown deadline, the Senate rushed through final passage early Saturday of a bipartisan plan that would temporarily fund federal operations and disaster aid, dropping President-elect Donald Trump’s demands for a debt limit increase into the new year.

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The House approved Johnson’s new bill overwhelmingly, 366-34. The Senate worked into the night to pass it, 85-11, just after the deadline. At midnight, the White House said it had ceased shutdown preparations.
The bill and its votes:
H.R.10545 - 118th Congress (2023-2024): American Relief Act, 2025 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The House vote
R: Y 170, N 34, nv 15
D: Y 196, P 1, nv 14
Ttl: Y 366, N 34, P 1, nv 29

Only "Present" vote: Jasmine Crockett D-TX

The Senate vote
D: Y 46, nv 1
R: Y 37, N 10, nv 2
I: Y 2, N 1, nv 1
Ttl: Y 85, N 11, nv 4

The Independent who voted against it was Bernie Sanders, who said that Elon Musk's involvement is “not democracy, that’s oligarchy.”
 
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