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Is a Hidden God the Same as No God?

 
 
 
RIS said:
God doesn't mean exclusively sky fairy, like Superman, or shit like my story. It simply means mighty/worshipped.
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Might is for bullies. It's not worthy of worship, or even of tolerance. The mighty are tyrants all, and are to be despised by anyone with an ounce of self respect.
 
RIS said:
bilby said:
That's a story that is definitely a story; The god it describes is is exactly as real as Superman, but less well written.
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I'm no writer, that's for sure, but to be compared to a comic book superhero?! That's low. Shit is real. Superman is real in a different sense. Gods are real in various different ways. God doesn't mean exclusively sky fairy, like Superman, or shit like my story. It simply means mighty/worshipped. The Biblical Hebrew word for God, El, means simply "mighty."

bilby said:
Gods are fictions, as you demonstrate here.
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Some are, some aren't. You guys just don't get it. You never do. You most likely never will.
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Whatever this God is, or may be, and however defined, if it doesn't exist, it is not mighty
 
RIS said:

pood said:
And if the bottle is empty, God’s dead, right?
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It was never alive
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But it was God if someone worshiped it, according to you. So now the bottle is empty and got ist tott. 😭
RIS said:
pood said:
That’s nice.
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Heartwarming, isn't it.
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More pointless than heart-warming.
RIS said:
pood said:
But it’s not the biblical god, and you said you were a biblical believer.
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And I've repeatedly explained that there are many gods in the Bible. I've named more than a few.
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So which god in the bible do you worship?
RIS said:
pood said:
That means you don’t believe shit is god but the triune omni-god is god, right?
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Omnivore? The triune omni-god is pagan nonsense. Shit is a god. Dicks are gods. That is what the cross is. The cross we know as "Christian" is actually a Roman Phallic symbol. A fertility symbol, idol, god. Now you, with your handy atheist compendium of theistic knowledge, probably think God is a Dick but a dick can't be God. You got that backwards.
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Whatever the above is supposed to mean.
RIS said:
pood said:
And, frankly, I think very few people, if in the situation you describe above, would worship the shit and the things to eat. They would just be very grateful they got lucky.
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Right. 2,000 years before Christ, on the alluvial plains of Ur Abraham would have undoubtedly witnessed the Easter (Astarte) cellebrations where the fertility goddess, whose symbols were the colored egg, cross, and rabbit, dress a select few of their children in their finest new clothes and sacrifice them with fire, place their bones and ashes in an urn decorated with Astarte's symbols, bake bread in the shape of a cross and have an orgy.

Today we send young men to defend bullshit ideas like "freedom" and "democracy" and wish them luck. Tomato, tomato. That never works in the written word. Same difference.
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Well I agree with that. And these bullshit ideas to which we sacrifice young men (and now women) are just like your god or gods, pure bullshit.
 
RIS said:
Fact checking, I think the desperate liberals call it. We, on the other hand, will examine the facts though, rather than lie about them by finding some confirmation biased propaganda, see if we don't.
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Are you a MAGAott? Fact checking is what wise people do to protect themselves from scammers. Only scammers and brainwashed christians fear research. You say you, on the other hand, will examine the facts... That is fact checking, jack. There is more conformation bias on the MAGA/conservative side.
pood said:
Can a bottle of Coca-Cola be a god, too? And if a Coke worshiper came across an empty Coke bottle, would he say that God is dead?
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You've seen "The gods must be crazy" right?
RIS said:
(If god,,,) hadn't created any sentient being of spirit or flesh to worship him he wouldn't be God or a god.
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RIS said:
Because that is what a god is. Someone or something that is mighty or venerated. Worshipped.
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So you are admitting that WE created god. Gods change as often as opinions. Science is more stable. It's tested and only changes with new provable facts. Your god was deliberately created (by humans) to be unproveable. Therefor CAN'T be trusted.
RIS said:
Because it's science instead of God? They're the same. You get it?
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No they are not. Reality is what it is. Period. Our opinions of it don't mean shit. Science explores and tests reality with few preconceived opinions. If/when civilization falls, When it rebuilds, the science will be the same. Religions/gods will be different. The supernatural can't be explored, tested, proven, or disproved. When 'science' is disproved, it is thrown out. (See cold fusion) Most religions strongly resist change.
RIS said:
Ask the atheist that thinks there is no God(s) if there are any lords and you trip them up
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Now you are just playing word games. Not religion or philosophy.
RIS said:
I personally think all organized religions should be done away with. Obsolete, ...
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I agree. But I fear you will just try to replace it with your own religion. Back to square one.
 
RIS, why don’t you just tell us what being a “biblical believer” means for you, and skip all the fog-machining and slippery-eel posting?
 
lostone said:
Whatever this God is, or may be, and however defined, if it doesn't exist, it is not mighty
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Surely, you're not serious?! A science minded person can't be so blatantly dogmatic, tyrannical, and ideologically fixated.

I don't know what it is, but whatever it is can't exist and must be something other than what it's thought to be. That's the most unscientific religious statement I have ever encountered.
 
bilby said:
RIS said:
I'm no writer, that's for sure, but to be compared to a comic book superhero?! That's low. Shit is real.
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But your story isn't. And the shit in your story is fictional shit.
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Because I made it up, it couldn't have happened.

Another quick story I just made up. A man went to the store. No gods were involved.

Is that real? By real in this context, I mean within the realm of possibility.
 
RIS said:
bilby said:
RIS said:
I'm no writer, that's for sure, but to be compared to a comic book superhero?! That's low. Shit is real.
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But your story isn't. And the shit in your story is fictional shit.
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Because I made it up, it couldn't have happened.
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Yeah, that's exactly what "I made it up" means.
RIS said:
Another quick story I just made up. A man went to the store. No gods were involved.

Is that real?
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No, it's a story. You explicitly said that you made it up.
RIS said:
By real in this context, I mean within the realm of possibility.
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That's not what "real" means.

If you had not explicitly told me that you made it up, there would be no way to tell whether it was a story or a real account of a commonplace event - because there is inadequate detail to test it against any evidence.
 
RIS said:
lostone said:
Whatever this God is, or may be, and however defined, if it doesn't exist, it is not mighty
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Surely, you're not serious?! A science minded person can't be so blatantly dogmatic, tyrannical, and ideologically fixated.

I don't know what it is, but whatever it is can't exist and must be something other than what it's thought to be. That's the most unscientific religious statement I have ever encountered.
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I'm basing my statement on your own comments.
 
RIS said:
lostone said:
Whatever this God is, or may be, and however defined, if it doesn't exist, it is not mighty
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Surely, you're not serious?! A science minded person can't be so blatantly dogmatic, tyrannical, and ideologically fixated.

I don't know what it is, but whatever it is can't exist and must be something other than what it's thought to be. That's the most unscientific religious statement I have ever encountered.
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Surely you can't have missed the word "if" in @lostone's post, and made a spectacular pratfall?

"IF it doesn't exist, it is not mighty" is a completely logical and true claim about anything.

Nobody said "whatever it is can't exist". You just wanted to see that, and failed to notice that it wasn't there.

Is it possible that you make a habit of failing to notice the non-existence of things that you really want to be real?
 
RIS said:
bilby said:
RIS said:
I'm no writer, that's for sure, but to be compared to a comic book superhero?! That's low. Shit is real.
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But your story isn't. And the shit in your story is fictional shit.
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Because I made it up, it couldn't have happened.

Another quick story I just made up. A man went to the store. No gods were involved.

Is that real? By real in this context, I mean within the realm of possibility.
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Possibility is a necessary but not sufficient condition for reality.

There are all sorts of possible non-actual worlds, infinitely greater than the actual world.
 
bilby said:
RIS said:
lostone said:
Whatever this God is, or may be, and however defined, if it doesn't exist, it is not mighty
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Surely, you're not serious?! A science minded person can't be so blatantly dogmatic, tyrannical, and ideologically fixated.

I don't know what it is, but whatever it is can't exist and must be something other than what it's thought to be. That's the most unscientific religious statement I have ever encountered.
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Surely you can't have missed the word "if" in @lostone's post, and made a spectacular pratfall?

"IF it doesn't exist, it is not mighty" is a completely logical and true claim about anything.

Nobody said "whatever it is can't exist". You just wanted to see that, and failed to notice that it wasn't there.

Is it possible that you make a habit of failing to notice the non-existence of things that you really want to be real?
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I think he has already said something to the effect that non-existent things can be gods if they are worshiped. So Santa is a god I guess. This is all very tiresome. RIS is playing the usual creationist bafflegab game and also displaying the usual creationist insults and defensiveness, always a mark of those who are utterly insecure in their beliefs.
 
Oh, shit.
I just had a disturbing thought.
Bilby, Please tell me you did not have an AI wright that.
I would have to make it my new god. (by RIS standards)
 
unapologetic said:
Oh, shit.
I just had a disturbing thought.
Bilby, Please tell me you did not have an AI wright that.
I would have to make it my new god. (by RIS standards)
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I can assure you that I have never had an AI write anything.

I don't really care to be misinformed by a machine; I know plenty of humans I could call upon if I needed someone to confidently assert that there are two R's in "strawberry".
 
bilby said:
Might is for bullies. It's not worthy of worship, or even of tolerance. The mighty are tyrants all, and are to be despised by anyone with an ounce of self respect.
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I feel like I'm talking to a family of children who have really serious abandonment issues. Are you trying to insult me by insulting my God or some vague insubstantial God concept. Because that's just silly.

So, you're out, correct? Let me see if I got this right.

1. You, I mean you bilby, don't believe in my God? You don't have any gods? Don't want anything to do with them?

If that's the case, I'm cool with that. Now how do you and I interact? Are you not cool with the fact that I do believe in specifically my God, and not in others? I don't know how to interact with you. I don't see the problem. If you don't like tyrants, they are not worthy of your worship, and in your opinion no one with an ounce of self-respect where do we go from there? Just agree to disagree? Because I don't see any point in arguing with someone's opinion.

You don't want a god. Okay. I'm not trying to force my belief down your throat and I assume you aren't trying to do the same with me. What now?
 
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