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Bitcoin biting the dust?

Hogwash! This meme has become more prevalent on message boards than the 1 ≠ 0.99999999... meme.
Where in heck does this obviously false meme come from? Is it just a political reaction to carnies like Rush Limbaugh touting Trump medallions or WTF?

The gold price is now 10x what the price was in 2001. That's TEN with a T, an E and an N.
1) The comparison is to dollars in the bank.

2) You're looking at when gold was low to when gold was high, you're not counting the periods where gold went down.
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I was responding to the absurd claim that "Historically, gold is the worst investment class."
Worst is a superlative.

Circa 1990 some Americans were "investing" in beanie babies. How did that investment class work out for all y'all? Better than gold?
Silver and MANY other investment classes (e.g. Nikkei 225) also underperformed gold.
 
There's a big difference in the voting power of A and B shares.
Sure, it’s scaled to the share price.

Price difference: 1,500:1. Voting difference: 10,000:1
If that’s right I was wrong. Fractional A shares are available from brokers, so why buy B shares?
Because A shares are simply too big for the average investor. And the voting difference means that Buffet (who has a whole lot of A) has an outsized vote.
B-b-but I can buy $100 worth of A shares through my Schwab account …
Have you ever actually traded stock????

Mutual funds you can buy in arbitrary amounts, stocks you buy a number of shares. When placing an order you specify the share count and optionally specify the maximum price you will pay (or minimum price you'll sell for if you're selling.) If you don't put a restriction on it you'll get whatever the current price is (which will almost always be very close to what it said when you placed the order), if you put a restriction on it the trade doesn't execute if it can't be done within the limits you specified.
 
B-b-but I can buy $100 worth of A shares through my Schwab account …
Have you ever actually traded stock????

Mutual funds you can buy in arbitrary amounts, stocks you buy a number of shares....

Can we take sides in this dispute? I'll bet on Elixir, that he has actually traded stock and COULD (though not necessarily DID) buy $100 worth of A shares through his Schwab account.

Back when Schwab charged high commissions, I forgot to click "All or None" on a sell order for 100 shares of a preferred stock. The shares were cheap -- maybe $50 or so -- but I sold 50 shares on Tuesday and the other 50 on Wednesday, so paid DOUBLE the already high commission!

I overlooked that many preferred stocks -- even cheap ones -- have standard lots LESS than 100 shares.
 
There's a big difference in the voting power of A and B shares.
Sure, it’s scaled to the share price.

Price difference: 1,500:1. Voting difference: 10,000:1
If that’s right I was wrong. Fractional A shares are available from brokers, so why buy B shares?
Because A shares are simply too big for the average investor. And the voting difference means that Buffet (who has a whole lot of A) has an outsized vote.
B-b-but I can buy $100 worth of A shares through my Schwab account …
Have you ever actually traded stock????

Mutual funds you can buy in arbitrary amounts, stocks you buy a number of shares. When placing an order you specify the share count and optionally specify the maximum price you will pay (or minimum price you'll sell for if you're selling.) If you don't put a restriction on it you'll get whatever the current price is (which will almost always be very close to what it said when you placed the order), if you put a restriction on it the trade doesn't execute if it can't be done within the limits you specified. [emphasis added]

I think that used to be true. But, according to Flash Boys by Michael Lewis, market making is no longer reliable.

Rich people buy early access to market information. If Joe offers to buy at $120 and Sara offers to sell at $100, the deal strike price ought to be $110. But now the insiders buy Sara's stock at $100 and sell it to Joe for $120, and they keep the $20 dollar difference.

But, suppose that you offer to sell at the market price, and the insiders see that, during the fraction of a second when your offer is available, there happens to be no offer to buy. The insiders can offer to buy at any price they want, and that price will be the market price.

In one case, a stock sold at $1 a share and a million dollars a share on the same day.

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to figure out which transaction resulted from an offer to sell at market and which from an offer to buy at market.
 
B-b-but I can buy $100 worth of A shares through my Schwab account …
Have you ever actually traded stock????
I mostly own funds but yeah - I manage a fraction of my portfolio myself. I carry 12-20 single issues at a time and do pretty well, using a money market fund as a cash pool. And I understand mutual funds, but let a broker pick them. This year I bought GE on a tip from NPR and it appreciated more than five-fold, including shares of spin-offs.
Lost some on Intel, and had a couple flat ones but all the other stocks I bought had good years - better than the broker acct. overall. Never owned any BRK of any variety though. still not clear why voting shares would matter to anyone unable to invest tens of millions at least.
 
Historically, gold is the worst investment class.
The only thing it has going for it is that it is a bearer currency that can survive any collapse.
Well, that's a pretty awesome thing for a kind of money to have going for it. Show us a fiat currency that can do the same.
If there is indeed a complete collapse of civilization, paper money will be much more in demand than gold, since you can wipe your ass with it...
 
Historically, gold is the worst investment class.
The only thing it has going for it is that it is a bearer currency that can survive any collapse.
Well, that's a pretty awesome thing for a kind of money to have going for it. Show us a fiat currency that can do the same.
If there is indeed a complete collapse of civilization, paper money will be much more in demand than gold, since you can wipe your ass with it...
Are you a prepper? Because I can generate a lot of paper that I'm willing (with gentle persuasion) to trade for gold. Why wait? Get ready NOW!
 
Historically, gold is the worst investment class.
The only thing it has going for it is that it is a bearer currency that can survive any collapse.
Well, that's a pretty awesome thing for a kind of money to have going for it. Show us a fiat currency that can do the same.
If there is indeed a complete collapse of civilization, paper money will be much more in demand than gold, since you can wipe your ass with it...
The 20th century called -- it wants its argument back. Ever tried to wipe your ass with a credit card?
 
Historically, gold is the worst investment class.
The only thing it has going for it is that it is a bearer currency that can survive any collapse.
Well, that's a pretty awesome thing for a kind of money to have going for it. Show us a fiat currency that can do the same.
If there is indeed a complete collapse of civilization, paper money will be much more in demand than gold, since you can wipe your ass with it...
The 20th century called -- it wants its argument back. Ever tried to wipe your ass with a credit card?
Well, at one time or the other people used shells for both.
 
Another little bit about crypto. Just as some might buy a car based on it's appearance and popularity and know nothing of the mechanics and reliability, so do people buy crypto, particularly Bitcoin. Thankfully people have CarFax and Consumer Reports... for cars.
Crypto—The New Market for Lemons
The anonymous blockchain, the underlying public/private ledger mechanism upon which most cryptocurrencies are based, is kludgy, starkly inefficient, and poorly understood by most people using it.
Bitcoin takes an hour to an hour and a half to execute a transaction. I often think I must be missing something when so many are driving the price so high. Nah. I think it's just the blind buying from the blind. I have to stop over estimating humans. To be fair, not all are so slow, crypto that is. I know Some execute in two to three seconds.
Just as people without adequate information accept something resembling currency as having value, people without adequate information accept crypto as having value. Lots of people. Intelligent people. So many that an economy has grown around this fictional tale that has borne theoretical value of more than $3 trillion at times.
What if the cost of electricity burned by crypto mining represents the only translatable value of a crypto currency?
So far, that looks like it.

And when the music stops, who will be left standing? Not the politicians or their circle of friends. Nope. It'll be the same sad bastards who are always left standing, who get the news from the news.
 
Another little bit about crypto. Just as some might buy a car based on it's appearance and popularity and know nothing of the mechanics and reliability, so do people buy crypto, particularly Bitcoin. Thankfully people have CarFax and Consumer Reports... for cars.
Even worse than Bitcoin, which at least has the benefit of being the OG cryptocurrency, there are a lot of meme coins and shit coins whose only purpose is a pump-and-dump.
Take the Hawk Tuah coin as a type specimen.
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Group behind viral 'Hawk Tuah' star's meme coin hit with lawsuit over crash

Bitcoin takes an hour to an hour and a half to execute a transaction. I often think I must be missing something when so many are driving the price so high. Nah. I think it's just the blind buying from the blind. I have to stop over estimating humans. To be fair, not all are so slow, crypto that is. I know Some execute in two to three seconds.
Transactions also cost a couple of bucks. It was much worse though - a year ago, the transaction fee was around $20. That makes it impractical as a currency - you want a currency to be usable for buying gum at a corner store as well.
 
The anonymous blockchain, the underlying public/private ledger mechanism upon which most cryptocurrencies are based, is kludgy, starkly inefficient, and poorly understood by most people using it.

I *think* I understand how the Blockchain works but there are several practical issues I'm missing.
A large majority of Bitcoin transactions, I assume, don't access the Blockchain directly. One just trades via an exchange or, simpler still, trades an ETF.

If one DOES trade via the Blockchain there is an optional transaction fee that can be specified to incentivize the miner to incorporate your transaction in the next block. How does that work? Does one's software monitor transactions to deduce what transaction fee is expected? Google seems to imply that the usual fee varies widely; Google also offers "Estimated Fee = 13500 Satoshis/kilobyte."

IIUC competing blockchains are created routinely and users "vote with their keyboards" to determine which blockchain will be The Blockchain™.
Is this a frequent nuisance? How long does it take for a consensus blockchain to become apparent?

Bitcoin takes an hour to an hour and a half to execute a transaction.
Google tells me that blocks are minted once every ten minutes on average; presumably this does not include blocks that are eventually rejected.
Is the hour delay spent waiting for the consensus decision to become clear-cut? Or is it that the transaction was ignored for a while because the fee offered was too low?

I often think I must be missing something when so many are driving the price so high. Nah. I think it's just the blind buying from the blind.

A relevant question is: What benefit does BitCoin offer to humanity? IIUC Bitcoin has two big differences from normal (bank ledger) money:

1. You need to trust a bank to keep its ledger secret. And they WON'T keep it secret if subpoenaed by government. The bitcoin ledger OTOH is publicly available but the user IDs need to be deduced. If your Bitcoin account is getting coins from Joe the Junkie and spending it at Gigi's Exotic Massage, the FBI needs only to turn Joe or Gigi to find out who you are.

2. Bank ledger money can be converted into central bank banknotes, the closest thing to precious metal in 21st century finance. Satoshis on the blockchain are worth less than tulips unless the "greater fools" keep buying in.

I have to stop over estimating humans. To be fair, not all are so slow, crypto that is. I know Some execute in two to three seconds.
Just as people without adequate information accept something resembling currency as having value, people without adequate information accept crypto as having value. Lots of people. Intelligent people. So many that an economy has grown around this fictional tale that has borne theoretical value of more than $3 trillion at times.
What if the cost of electricity burned by crypto mining represents the only translatable value of a crypto currency?
So far, that looks like it.
That's the peculiar thing. The high cost of electricity to "mine" bitcoins is a designed-in FEATURE, not a Bug. :HEADBUTT:
I used to think that was shameful but I guess the joules wasted on Bitcoin mining are now a drop in the bucket compared with joules consumed by AI engines. Society needs those engines to make sure Google has misinformation ready for any query, and so that teenagers can remove the clothing from pictures of the girls who kept their clothes on in person.

And when the music stops, who will be left standing? Not the politicians or their circle of friends. Nope. It'll be the same sad bastards who are always left standing, who get the news from the news.

If it's any consolation some future-predicting pundits think that central bank money is also in an unsustainable bubble.
 
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