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There was no false equivalence. You mistake the level of vehemence is irrelevant. The point is both are complaints. Really, this is not rocket science,
Apparently to you it might be rocket science, if you still not understand why it's a false equivalence.
Apparently you do think it is rocket science because you keep making the same mistake.
I comprehend you still don’t get it. The difference in emotional content is irrelevant to the issue of why protesters should leave the country. And that ignores that there was no necessary hostility or hatred towards America,
If people say "Death to Amerikka[sic]", why is it wrong to say that they should leave the US if they hate it so much? It's a fair observation.
First, it may have nothing whatsoever to do with hate. Second, it is not wrong to say they should leave the US, it is ignorant.
Clearly, my expectation was misplaced.
Because it was a faulty argument predicated on you denying that your false equivalence between criticizing policies and hostility toward the country as a whole was in fact false equivalence.
No matter how many times you repeat your mistake, it is still a mistake.
Spoken like a true John Bircher. Neither necessarily represents hatred of the USA. Burning the flag was a popular anti-Vietnam protest.
Not really a good example, as plenty of anti-Vietnam protesters were anti-US as well.
And these days you will often see US flag burning at anti-US protests in the Middle East.
Again you are having problem with the English language, because that does not rebut "Neither necessarily".
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“Death to Amerikka” is an anti-fascist statement.
On the contrary! Bad spelling aside, it is a sentiment often expressed by islamofascists like the dictator of Iran.
FFS, Death to Amerikka is a common anti-fascist statement in the US. It may mean hatred of the US, but it is not neccessarily so.
 
If you disagree with Trump's pardons, do you think that the LA rioters should get away with their crimes?
I disagree with many of Trump’s pardons of people who helped injure 140 LE Agents, killing some, and caused a thousand thousand thousand dollars to taxpayers …
those insurrectionist morons should be serving years. The “criminals” at the protest are probably plants, and should spend a few weeks thinking about it.
People should not get away either crimes against property but crimes against people are more important. Because people are more important than property.
 
No, I don’t find it odd or disturbing or fearful. Nor do I think those protesters were necessarily afraid of personal deportation to Mexico. Burning a US flag is not an automatic indication of hatred of the US but a complaint or disagreement with US policy.
There are better ways to express disagreement with the polices of a particular government. Burning the flag indicates hatred or at least hostility to the US as a whole. That's why it is the favored tactic of anti-US protests in places like Iran.
Perhaps you should write "Derec's Etiquette of Protests". Who and why they burn the flag is indication of hatred, not the burning itself.
You sound like a Magatool snowflake.
Protesters always cause fear in some people. And while these protesters play into Magafools bigotry, they are exposing Trump’s authoritarianism and contempt for US law.
Rioting is not protesting. Nobody should be ok with the tactics used here - arson, vandalism, looting - no matter what you think of the immigration debate.
That has nothing to do with telling people they should leave the US because you disagree with their protests. The city of LA and the state of CA did not ask for help. Sending in the National Guard exacerbated the problem. Sending in the US Marines makes it even worse.
Note also that immigration, along with inflation, is a big reason Trump got elected. "No human is illegal on stolen land" and "abolish ICE" are not popular messages.
They are popular in many places.
Trump is doing plenty of bad and unpopular things, from letting RFK control health policy to the "Big Beautiful Bill". And yet, the Resistance 2.0 is focusing on stuff where Trump's policies are, at least in principle, more popular.
More ppular among Magatools and bigots. If the federal gov't was going after criminals in a lawful manner, I suspect there'd be very few protests,. But when people dressed like terrorists go around sweeping people off the streets and deporting them, there is a huge problem. Really, when law enforcement has to hide its identity, it is truly fucked up.
 
Or take the "Death to Amerikka[sic]" graffito. Bad spelling aside, that expresses hostility to US as a whole, not toward particular policies or a particular government.
No, it doesn't. I agree that they mis-spelled "Amerikkka", which should have three K's; But it is not, as you mistakenly believe, a mis-spelling of "America", and it is not the US as a whole they oppose, just the embeded KKK that have corrupted the whole thing with anti-immigrant and racist rhetoric.
 
Or take the "Death to Amerikka[sic]" graffito. Bad spelling aside, that expresses hostility to US as a whole, not toward particular policies or a particular government.
No, it doesn't. I agree that they mis-spelled "Amerikkka", which should have three K's; But it is not, as you mistakenly believe, a mis-spelling of "America", and it is not the US as a whole they oppose, just the embeded KKK that have corrupted the whole thing with anti-immigrant and racist rhetoric.
Like this? "DereKKK"?
 
There was no false equivalence. You mistake the level of vehemence is irrelevant. The point is both are complaints. Really, this is not rocket science,
Apparently to you it might be rocket science, if you still not understand why it's a false equivalence.
I comprehend you still don’t get it. The difference in emotional content is irrelevant to the issue of why protesters should leave the country. And that ignores that there was no necessary hostility or hatred towards America,
If people say "Death to Amerikka[sic]", why is it wrong to say that they should leave the US if they hate it so much? It's a fair observation.
Do they hate America or do they hate Amerikkka? Stephan Miller is an ugly white nationalist that wants to purify the country.

The Trump Admin sent hundreds of people to a max prison in El Salvador, and you are bitching about people protesting the anti-immigrant protest jargon? Am I supposed to leave to?
 
I'm loving the Democratic party's response to all this. Well, maybe I would love it if they had one.

The only person saying jack shit is Gavin Newsom. Actual leadership in a time of crisis and uncertainty is something the Dems could use now and for the past 5 fucking years. Instead though, at least from the few articles I've read, they're downplaying the violence and utter anti-American sentiment. The notion that those assholes indiscriminately throwing rocks at civilian cars are protesting Trump specifically is absurd. They're there to fuck shit up and nothing more; and between the non-response from the Dems and the unquestioning praise from the far left, what the hell are people supposed to think.
Again, for me, this is about magnitudes. As far as I can tell, this isn't the Rodney King riots. Trump escalated this too damn fast, and it appears to be intentional. Like I noted regarding the Walker protests in Akron, the city sucked the oxygen out of the protests, by allowing them... with no through traffic. There are ways to deal with this and Trump (or should I say Miller) isn't looking to quell violence, they want the violence. They want to normalize Federal enforcement across the states.
Maybe someone can point me to a credible news article on wide Democrat solidarity and support for Newsom. If so, I'll change my mind.
I'd remind you, this has all occurred in a period of days. Senior Democrats are likely reading up on the law and trying to figure out motions against these actions and potentially more dystopian ones. We are in uncharted territory right now. Generally, in the past, when the Federal Government is doing some shady shit, like mass arrests of war protestors or encamping the Japanese, the two parties are aligned. And when the National Guard was called up to protect Selma protestors, that was about protecting Civil Rights. What Trump is doing is new and the Democrats aren't certain how to react. And they have very little power to actually do anything. Governors in other states have no standing.

The Democrats have multiple issues. Firstly the problem for Democrats is that "Illegal Immigrants" have no legal standing to be in the US and Trump enforcing that isn't against the law. Enforcing it without Due Process is against the law (well, until SCOTUS says otherwise). Usurping the National Guard... could be breaking the law, especially with such a low bar for Trump jumping at it. Then we have the nuance of the illegal immigrants being family / friends and what benefit the US is getting out of these actions. It likely is very minimal, but arguing nuance, against the GOP and they will post photos of burning Waymo.

The protests and violent protests, not riots, are legal and illegal, respectively. Of course, the Democrats can't say lawful protests are fine because people will do what was done and post the illegal shit that the Democrats didn't condone and say the Democrats condone the violence. Then remember that this is on top of all the other shady shit the Trump Admin is doing, from tariff wars to DOGE illegal impounding of spending, illegal firing of staffing, permanent retraction of government departments, and RFK Jr sending America back to the pre-Penicillin days.

Truth be told, the Democrats can't effectively say anything. There is no way to put a message out that works, and they are already too busy with all the other crap.
P.S. Now I have to go get a passport so I can get a Real ID so that I can take a fucking domestic flight. Where's the conservative response to this bullshit?
If you have a passport, you don't need the Real ID.
Just a couple of things.

1. The Dems could come out united and say protests are vital elements to free speech and a treasured American tradition while at the same time specifically condemning the individuals committing the violence; the ones who are burning the American flag and waving the Mexican flag. This could begin to give anti-Trump protests a path to follow in the future. Whatever the case, it shouldn't take them a week to begin to start thinking about beginning to put out a message.

2. I misspoke about needing a passport to get a real ID. I've endeavored to get both. Both are a massive pain the ass. I could tell the story of my 6 hour odyssey, but I won't. I'll just give a brief exchange as an example.

Me: Hi, I have an appointment.

Her: Okay, sign in there.

Me: It won't sign me in (after trying to sign in one the computer).

Her: Did you print out and bring the paper?

Me: Yes, here it is.

Her: (disappears with my paper for 5 minutes): comes back and says "It's not in the system."

Me: But the sheet says I have an appointment.

Her: It's not in the system.

I'd arrived early because I show up early to everything. By the time this mind-numbing exchange had finished, the line was a good 40+ people deep. I wouldn't storm the capital over it, but it was frustrating to say the least.
 
No, I don’t find it odd or disturbing or fearful. Nor do I think those protesters were necessarily afraid of personal deportation to Mexico. Burning a US flag is not an automatic indication of hatred of the US but a complaint or disagreement with US policy.
There are better ways to express disagreement with the polices of a particular government. Burning the flag indicates hatred or at least hostility to the US as a whole. That's why it is the favored tactic of anti-US protests in places like Iran.
Perhaps you should write "Derec's Etiquette of Protests". Who and why they burn the flag is indication of hatred, not the burning itself.
You sound like a Magatool snowflake.
Protesters always cause fear in some people. And while these protesters play into Magafools bigotry, they are exposing Trump’s authoritarianism and contempt for US law.
Rioting is not protesting. Nobody should be ok with the tactics used here - arson, vandalism, looting - no matter what you think of the immigration debate.
That has nothing to do with telling people they should leave the US because you disagree with their protests. The city of LA and the state of CA did not ask for help. Sending in the National Guard exacerbated the problem. Sending in the US Marines makes it even worse.
Note also that immigration, along with inflation, is a big reason Trump got elected. "No human is illegal on stolen land" and "abolish ICE" are not popular messages.
They are popular in many places.
Trump is doing plenty of bad and unpopular things, from letting RFK control health policy to the "Big Beautiful Bill". And yet, the Resistance 2.0 is focusing on stuff where Trump's policies are, at least in principle, more popular.
More ppular among Magatools and bigots. If the federal gov't was going after criminals in a lawful manner, I suspect there'd be very few protests,. But when people dressed like terrorists go around sweeping people off the streets and deporting them, there is a huge problem. Really, when law enforcement has to hide its identity, it is truly fucked up.
GOP is rounding up workers irrespective of status. The criminals are underground and running free. The rich criminals that get caught get freed by the GOP.
 
Cars set on fire or had rocks dropped on them. And not just police vehicles, but Waymo vehicles as well. Stores are also getting looted.
Foreign flags are being waved, while US flags are being burned by the rioters.

This makes it known which country ICE should deport them to. (y)
Presuming the people protesting with flags aren't citizens.

Lighten up, they will be citizens of somewhere, no?

Anyway, I think very few of these "protestors" are NOT citizens of the USA. (Although I expect a large number of naturalized US citizens in the mix) One of the "protestors" arrested was in the USA illegally. I think it unlikely people in the USA illegally will be participating in these "protests". If they are smart, they will be keeping their head down and staying far away from this nonsense. It does not help their cause. No, the rioting, vandalism, looting and mayhem is brought to us by activists who can get the liberal art student, man bun, soy boy losers to act up.
 
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just now on the Thom Hartmann show: the raids are increasing --- federal agents are raiding not only restaurants and Home Depot parking lots, but they're stopping busses to demand papers from the passengers, also raiding car washes. They're raiding meat-packing plants, and taking away half the workers, so those plants are reduced to only 20% of their production.
 
Cars set on fire or had rocks dropped on them. And not just police vehicles, but Waymo vehicles as well. Stores are also getting looted.
Foreign flags are being waved, while US flags are being burned by the rioters.

This makes it known which country ICE should deport them to. (y)
Presuming the people protesting with flags aren't citizens.

Lighten up, they will be citizens of somewhere, no?

Anyway, I think very few of these "protestors" are NOT citizens of the USA. (Although I expect a large number of naturalized US citizens in the mix) One of the "protestors" arrested was in the USA illegally. I think it unlikely people in the USA illegally will be participating in these "protests". If they are smart, they will be keeping their head down and staying far away from this nonsense. It does not help their cause. No, the rioting, vandalism, looting and mayhem is brought to us by activists who can get the liberal art student, man bun, soy boy losers to act up.
Nope. All the violence is being done by Trumpist plants.
The idea (if it still escapes you) is to foment violence, and commit it if that doesn't work, then fan the flames of dissent until a declaration of the Insurrection Act can be sold to halfwit trumpsuckers.
Don't be a halfwit trumpsucker, Swiz - it's not going to make you any safer.
 
Welp, protests are spreading to other cities. I wonder how long it'll be until our own troops start gunning Americans down. I was in a combat arms MOS in the army and I sure as hell know that riot containment was not in our training. Active duty troops e.g. infantry, engineers, cavalry etc. are aggressive and are only trained to shoot to kill.
 
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