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Again, my problem with legalized prostitution is that it doesn’t satisfy the demand and in fact creates a demand for illegal stuff—too young, or to take risks that no one should have to take: sex without a condom and threats of violence which still exist even with legalization, and wage theft that can amount to slavery.

I know that is not what you are advocating. I’m just saying that it doesn’t remove the problems associated with criminalized sex work ( minus being arrested for prostitution). I’m certain there are sex workers who do not suffer these harms but many do, even in legalized settings.
You haven't explained how making it legal is supposed to encourage the illegal things. The reality is that legal markets to a far better job of separating permitted and prohibited transactions than illegal ones do.

You buy your weed from the dispensary I passed today, you get carded. You buy it from the illegal dealer, you don't. You go to the brothel one county over, you know they are of legal age. You pick up a streetwalker, you have no way to verify age.
 
Again, my problem with legalized prostitution is that it doesn’t satisfy the demand and in fact creates a demand for illegal stuff—too young, or to take risks that no one should have to take: sex without a condom and threats of violence which still exist even with legalization, and wage theft that can amount to slavery.

I know that is not what you are advocating. I’m just saying that it doesn’t remove the problems associated with criminalized sex work ( minus being arrested for prostitution). I’m certain there are sex workers who do not suffer these harms but many do, even in legalized settings.
You haven't explained how making it legal is supposed to encourage the illegal things. The reality is that legal markets to a far better job of separating permitted and prohibited transactions than illegal ones do.

You buy your weed from the dispensary I passed today, you get carded. You buy it from the illegal dealer, you don't. You go to the brothel one county over, you know they are of legal age. You pick up a streetwalker, you have no way to verify age.
The same way that one coffee shop spawns another. Or one porn shop or pawn shop or tattoo parlor seems to spawn another.

If people know that three blocks east of Main is where to go for for sex or booze or ice cream, they go three blocks east of Main for sex or booze or ice cream. So other establishments selling the same product or services begin to open nearby to take care of overflow.

Don’t you live in Nevada? Why did one casino attract others?
 
Sex work is work in the same way that child labor is labor.
Bullshit. This view is infantilizing adult women, saying that they have as little agency over their bodies as children.
You care about women in this conversation would come across a little more legitimate if your position wasn't exclusively self-serving.
It's certainly not entirely self-serving. I do not care just about myself, you know.

But why is self-interest bad? You would not hold it against a gay person to care about things like Lawrence and Obergefell. You would not hold it against a woman of reproductive age to care about abortion and contraception access as political issues. So why hold it against me?
The seller is under duress. But the buyer wouldn't know that.
How do you know that, if the buyer would not?
And how about other industries, like food (how does the buyer know the guy who picked his lettuce or cooks his burger is not under duress?) or personal services (how does the woman getting her nails done know the woman doing her nails is not under duress?)
About the nail business, I remember this piece by NY Times.
The Price of Nice Nails
And yet nobody (least of all Toni or Emily) is suggesting that nail salons should be banned, much less that women who get their nails done should be arrested and prosecuted.
Legalization and regulation could help remediate this concern, but not solve it.
Reducing the problem should be sufficient reason for legalization. In the real world, nothing will entirely solve problems associated with things. That is not a reason to ban them all.
Also, what in the fuck does your hobby horse have to do with the targeted murder of Charlie Kirk?
It emanated from the penumbra of the discussion about the Roe v. Wade decision.
Btw, due to ZiprHead's admonition, I am spinning off this digression into its own thread.
And lawyers.
Funny. And really, sex work is no less important and no more seedy than lawyering.
 
Why do you think that a sex worker is under duress, but the people working in an auto parts factory or a slaughter house aren't? Do you think that the people working at McDonald's are doing it out of love for burgers?
McDonald’s workers are not subject to beatings and worse for not following the bosses’ orders.
Wherever that happens, regardless of industry, those responsible should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
But what does that have to do with assuming that sex workers are under duress just because they are sex workers?

Note that McDonald's operates in the open, which makes it regulated, including regarding labor practices.
But imagine the world where you'd have to get burgers and fries on the black market because of some moralizing busybodies like yourself. A world where the idea of paying money for prepared food is frowned upon (the only morally correct way is either to cook for yourself or convince somebody to cook for you without an overt payment, these moralizing busybodies would insist). Would the situation of people cooking food for money be better or worse than McDonald's today?
McDonald’s workers are not expected to provide sex
No shit Sherlock, that's not their job. Hookers are also not expected to assemble burgers and cook fries. Nor stand at the assembly line and bolt car doors on for that matter.
to whoever plunks down their money. Neither are auto workers.
However, they are expected to do their jobs, or will find themselves out of it.
A sex worker can and should be able to set boundaries - for example no anal - or reject a customer for say bad hygiene. A sex worker should be free to deny service, but if she is too picky, it may not be a profession for her (or him).
Comparing a wife to a sex worker is extremely offensive.
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To be fair, Tom did not compare wives in general with sex workers, but those women who marry for money, not love or genuine attraction. And he has a point.
It is just as apt to describe husbands as prostitutes.
In cases where a (less desirable, perhaps older) woman marries a boy toy, sure. But it's not as common as the reverse.
 
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I.E. just because two parties have an agreement doesn't mean the agreement is above board.
But that is not only the case with sex work. Even legal industries like food service, agriculture, or nail salons have bad actors and situations. But, keeping the industry illegal makes it more likely that there will be bad things happening.
So existence of things that are not "above board" is not a reason to keep sex work illegal any more than Al Capone's crimes were a reason to keep Prohibition.
I also didn't claim all sex workers are under duress. A question was asked, I provided a reasonable answer for a situation that is undoubtably not uncommon enough in the sex worker industry. Regarding other workers under duress, chances are there is violation in union or worker rights or sexual harassment.
Again, not a reason to keep sex work illegal. Quite the opposite.
Or if one is discussing general life issues, a woman could, in theory, be allowed to use her body as an ATM, but a woman should be allowed to have other options if they'd rather not but are desperate for money.
Women have other options, just like anybody else. But few are as lucrative. An escort can make hundreds in a single hour. A waitress or a barista or an office receptionist may not make that much in a day. It's not for everybody, but for those who choose it, it should be an option.
 
Again, my problem with legalized prostitution is that it doesn’t satisfy the demand and in fact creates a demand for illegal stuff
You make that claim a lot, but you have not shown it to be true, or even plausible.
—too young, or to take risks that no one should have to take: sex without a condom and threats of violence which still exist even with legalization, and wage theft that can amount to slavery.
Each of these problems is much easier to deal with when the industry is not made illegal in its entirety and law enforcement is not wasting money persecuting consenting adults.
Sex work has existed in every culture on the face of the Earth, because it serves a real need. In today's world, you have a lot of mostly men who do not have access to sex any other way - they may be older widowers, they may be in sexless or otherwise unhappy marriages, they may be neurodivergent or physically disabled. And if there is a woman willing to take care of them for a price, why should that be illegal?

I know that is not what you are advocating. I’m just saying that it doesn’t remove the problems associated with criminalized sex work ( minus being arrested for prostitution). I’m certain there are sex workers who do not suffer these harms but many do, even in legalized settings.
Abolishing Prohibition did not remove all the problems associated with drinking alcohol. Legalizing weed does not remove all problems associated with weed. Does not mean either should be kept illegal.

If there is exploitation in the nail salon industry, the solution is not to ban it entirely and to prosecute women getting their nails done. So why should sex be treated differently?
 
https://oneill.law.georgetown.edu/m...x-work-is-essential-for-reproductive-justice/

My Body, My Choice: Why the Decriminalization of Sex Work Is Essential for Reproductive Justice​

Mackenzie DarlingPast Fellow
The framework of reproductive justice was created to center marginalized women within the movement for reproductive freedom, by prioritizing the needs of Indigenous women, women of color, and transgender people. At its core, reproductive justice protects a person’s right to maintain bodily autonomy. It requires uplifting the most marginalized people, who have faced the brunt of the harms from the denial of bodily autonomy and from reproductive oppression. In order to ensure the right to bodily autonomy for all, the movement needs to center sex workers, as they are constantly denied such rights through criminalization, discrimination, and violence. Decriminalizing sex work is crucial in ensuring that the choices of sex workers are protected and not punished.

As a result of engaging in the sex trade, sex workers are constantly facing criminalization, incarceration, deportation, discrimination, and other harmful consequences from state regulation. Black and brown women, transgender women, and immigrant women who are involved in the sex trade, are the most disproportionately harmed by the criminalization of sex work. The constant policing, prosecution, and incarceration of sex workers violate their bodily autonomy, as their choice to participate in the sex trade is repeatedly policed and denied by the carceral state. As a result, sex workers have become leaders in the fight against state regulation of people’s bodies — through fighting for decriminalization and destigmatizing sex work. In order to achieve the right to bodily autonomy for all, sex work needs to be decriminalized.

I rarely agree with Derec, but I do agree with him that sex work should be legalized and sex workers should not be stigmatized. A few years ago when we had this discussion, I looked up some websites for sex workers and most of them either enjoyed their work or they preferred their work to previous jobs they held such as working as a waitress or a housekeeper.

Some were highly educated women as well. They enjoyed the freedom to choose their work hours, to choose which services they would provide and they all insisted their clients wore condoms. They also said they could make a lot more money working for a day then they did in their previous jobs working a week. Where sex work is legal a test for STIs is often required for customers and the workers also are tested on a regular basis. Sex work is not the same as sex trafficking. I blame are religious, puritanical society for stigmatizing those who choose to do sex work. It's not something I would not have personally chosen as work, but there are plenty of other things I would not be interested in doing.

When sex work is illegal, the workers are often harassed by the police, more likely to be subjected to sexual assault and looked down on by self righteous people, including other women. The legalization is for the protection of those who choose sex work and imo, we should not judge them for their choice. The workers who specialized in providing services to the severely disabled seemed to find their work very satisfying, probably because they knew that these customers would never have a chance to find someone willing to have sex with them, so they were giving them a chance to enjoy something they would otherwise never experience.

I have not read much about males who choose sex work as there are a small percentage of them, but I imagine it's a choice for them as well.
 
I would presume being an OnlyFans content creator would be considered sex work, no? I can't imagine this young lady would consider her job to be done "under duress":

OnlyFans’ Sophie Rain Says She ‘Almost Earned More Than’ LeBron James in 2024, Reveals Salary

OnlyFans creator Sophie Rain is pulling back the curtain on her finances and revealing how much she earns as an adult content creator.

“I almost made more than LeBron [James] last year,” Rain, 20, claimed in David Dobrik’s Tuesday, August 26, YouTube vlog. “He made 56 million [and] I made 43.”

She is an exception regarding the salary, but there are a lot of everyday women doing this sort of thing to earn a few extra dollars, and even end up dropping out of their current career to do it full time. They like it and do it of their own free will, and no pimp to take their money or bully them. I do wonder about the men who pay for this though. What a bunch of dopes.
 
I would presume being an OnlyFans content creator would be considered sex work, no? I can't imagine this young lady would consider her job to be done "under duress":

OnlyFans’ Sophie Rain Says She ‘Almost Earned More Than’ LeBron James in 2024, Reveals Salary

OnlyFans creator Sophie Rain is pulling back the curtain on her finances and revealing how much she earns as an adult content creator.

“I almost made more than LeBron [James] last year,” Rain, 20, claimed in David Dobrik’s Tuesday, August 26, YouTube vlog. “He made 56 million [and] I made 43.”

She is an exception regarding the salary, but there are a lot of everyday women doing this sort of thing to earn a few extra dollars, and even end up dropping out of their current career to do it full time. They like it and do it of their own free will, and no pimp to take their money or bully them. I do wonder about the men who pay for this though. What a bunch of dopes.
In the Economic Science world, this is called "exploitation". Sophie controls a limited resource and can demand a higher price because the demand is great. This is the same principle that explains why a seat on a bus costs less than a seat at a Taylor Swift concert. Sophie is closer to Taylor's business model.
 
I would presume being an OnlyFans content creator would be considered sex work, no? I can't imagine this young lady would consider her job to be done "under duress":

OnlyFans’ Sophie Rain Says She ‘Almost Earned More Than’ LeBron James in 2024, Reveals Salary

OnlyFans creator Sophie Rain is pulling back the curtain on her finances and revealing how much she earns as an adult content creator.

“I almost made more than LeBron [James] last year,” Rain, 20, claimed in David Dobrik’s Tuesday, August 26, YouTube vlog. “He made 56 million [and] I made 43.”

She is an exception regarding the salary, but there are a lot of everyday women doing this sort of thing to earn a few extra dollars, and even end up dropping out of their current career to do it full time. They like it and do it of their own free will, and no pimp to take their money or bully them. I do wonder about the men who pay for this though. What a bunch of dopes.
In the Economic Science world, this is called "exploitation". Sophie controls a limited resource and can demand a higher price because the demand is great. This is the same principle that explains why a seat on a bus costs less than a seat at a Taylor Swift concert. Sophie is closer to Taylor's business model.
No argument here. But who is the "expoliter" and who is the "exploitee", in your opinion?
 
Sex work is work in the same way that child labor is labor.
Bullshit. This view is infantilizing adult women, saying that they have as little agency over their bodies as children.
You care about women in this conversation would come across a little more legitimate if your position wasn't exclusively self-serving.
It's certainly not entirely self-serving
It is exclusively self-serving.
But why is self-interest bad?
It means your arguments for "supporting women" are full of crap.
You would not hold it against a gay person to care about things like Lawrence and Obergefell. You would not hold it against a woman of reproductive age to care about abortion and contraception access as political issues. So why hold it against me?
Because you aren't arguing honestly that you want it legal so you can legally do it.
 
Again, my problem with legalized prostitution is that it doesn’t satisfy the demand and in fact creates a demand for illegal stuff
You make that claim a lot, but you have not shown it to be true, or even plausible.
—too young, or to take risks that no one should have to take: sex without a condom and threats of violence which still exist even with legalization, and wage theft that can amount to slavery.
Each of these problems is much easier to deal with when the industry is not made illegal in its entirety and law enforcement is not wasting money persecuting consenting adults.
Sex work has existed in every culture on the face of the Earth, because it serves a real need. In today's world, you have a lot of mostly men who do not have access to sex any other way - they may be older widowers, they may be in sexless or otherwise unhappy marriages, they may be neurodivergent or physically disabled. And if there is a woman willing to take care of them for a price, why should that be illegal?

I know that is not what you are advocating. I’m just saying that it doesn’t remove the problems associated with criminalized sex work ( minus being arrested for prostitution). I’m certain there are sex workers who do not suffer these harms but many do, even in legalized settings.
Abolishing Prohibition did not remove all the problems associated with drinking alcohol. Legalizing weed does not remove all problems associated with weed. Does not mean either should be kept illegal.

If there is exploitation in the nail salon industry, the solution is not to ban it entirely and to prosecute women getting their nails done. So why should sex be treated differently?
I’m in a rush so I’ll just address the last: Providing manicures to the public does not carry with it the same risk to health from transmission disease or from violence as does sex work, even in places where sex work is legal.
 
I’m in a rush so I’ll just address the last: Providing manicures to the public does not carry with it the same risk to health from transmission disease or from violence as does sex work, even in places where sex work is legal.
Responding to @Toni


I worked as a home health nurse for many years, caring for people who often lived in high crime neighborhoods and sometimes having to deal with the potential threat of strange men. One nurse was threatened with a gun in such a neighborhood but luckily she got away. But, that work is perfectly legal and the pay was low, so why condemn women who choose to do sex work, even if it occasionally means having to deal with potential violence. Based on all the studies I've read, the most violence comes when sex work is illegal. A lot of it comes from the police who sometimes threaten to arrest a sex worker if she doesn't perform a sex act for them.

There was a female police officer in my pain therapy group. That is another line of work that females often do. I have a friend who is a retired GBI agent. I'm sure she had to deal with some potentially dangerous situations. But, it's legal for women to be police or GBI or FBI agents. Why isn't it legal for women to do sex work, if that's what they want?

The ACLU is currently trying to help decriminalize sex work. Again, it's about giving sex workers the same rights as anyone else who chooses a job that is sometimes potentially dangerous. Just because you and I would never do it, doesn't mean that other women shouldn't have that choice. I can't tell you how many times I was told by other women that they could never do what I did as a nurse. I can't imagine being a police officer. Teachers are sometimes put in potentially dangerous situations too, but most public school teachers are women and they choose that line of work, at least until they get burned out like lots of nurses do as well. Why are we so hard on sex workers? Why don't we women want them to be safer by making their work legal and giving them more protections?
 
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https://www.aclu.org/news/topic/its-time-to-decriminalize-sex-work

The criminalization of sex work makes sex workers more vulnerable to violence on the job and less likely to report violence. It prevents sex workers from accessing health care and other critical services, feeds an out of control mass incarceration system, and further marginalizes some of society’s most vulnerable groups, such as trans women of color and immigrants.



Sex workers deserve the same legal protections as anybody else. They should be able to maintain their livelihood without fear of violence or arrest, access health care and other services without discrimination, and seek justice when they are harmed. Decriminalization would help bring sex workers out of the dangerous margins and into the light where people are protected — not targeted — by the law.



For key findings on the impacts of sex work criminalization and decriminalization models, read the full brief, “Is Sex Work Decriminalization the Answer? What the Research Tells Us.

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You can download the rest if you want. I fully agree with the ACLU, as well as many other organizations that are trying to decriminalize sex work to make the work safer and more acceptable to the workers.
 
The ACLU is currently trying to help decriminalize sex work. Again, it's about giving sex workers the same rights as anyone else who chooses a job that is sometimes potentially dangerous. Just because you and I would never do it, doesn't mean that other women shouldn't have that choice.
Indeed, legalization has many benefits. Much like decriminalizing drugs has lots of benefits. But there is still addiction, even with legal drugs. Addiction that scars people's lives and the lives of those close to them. Kills people.

Prohibition, however, rarely ever works. So we are left with a couple of options that are both flawed. Personally, I don't think it is enough to legalize such work, it needs to be institutionalized. It needs beaucoup regulation. It needs a 401k. And it needs to help snuff out the illicit trade that will be in its shadow.
 
I’m in a rush so I’ll just address the last: Providing manicures to the public does not carry with it the same risk to health from transmission disease or from violence as does sex work, even in places where sex work is legal.
Responding to @Toni


I worked as a home health nurse for many years, caring for people who often lived in high crime neighborhoods and sometimes having to deal with the potential threat of strange men. One nurse was threatened with a gun in such a neighborhood but luckily she got away. But, that work is perfectly legal and the pay was low, so why condemn women who choose to do sex work, even if it occasionally means having to deal with potential violence. Based on all the studies I've read, the most violence comes when sex work is illegal. A lot of it comes from the police who sometimes threaten to arrest a sex worker if she doesn't perform a sex act for them.

There was a female police officer in my pain therapy group. That is another line of work that females often do. I have a friend who is a retired GBI agent. I'm sure she had to deal with some potentially dangerous situations. But, it's legal for women to be police or GBI or FBI agents. Why isn't it legal for women to do sex work, if that's what they want?

The ACLU is currently trying to help decriminalize sex work. Again, it's about giving sex workers the same rights as anyone else who chooses a job that is sometimes potentially dangerous. Just because you and I would never do it, doesn't mean that other women shouldn't have that choice. I can't tell you how many times I was told by other women that they could never do what I did as a nurse. I can't imagine being a police officer. Teachers are sometimes put in potentially dangerous situations too, but most public school teachers are women and they choose that line of work, at least until they get burned out like lots of nurses do as well. Why are we so hard on sex workers? Why don't we women want them to be safer by making their work legal and giving them more protections?


As I’ve written before, I have no moral objections to any sex two ( or more) adults mutually consent to engage in.

I realize that legalization of prostitution reduces the risk of violence for some sex workers. That is a tremendous good!

But legalization does not solve all of the risks of violence or trafficking. It ‘expands the market.’


  • Countries with legalized prostitution are associated with higher human trafficking inflows than countries where prostitution is prohibited. The scale effect of legalizing prostitution, i.e. expansion of the market, outweighs the substitution effect, where legal sex workers are favored over illegal workers. On average, countries with legalized prostitution report a greater incidence of human trafficking inflows.
  • The effect of legal prostitution on human trafficking inflows is stronger in high-income countries than middle-income countries. Because trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation requires that clients in a potential destination country have sufficient purchasing power, domestic supply acts as a constraint.

There are obviously pros and cons to legalization of prostitution. For me, the pros do not outweigh the cons.
 
The ACLU is currently trying to help decriminalize sex work. Again, it's about giving sex workers the same rights as anyone else who chooses a job that is sometimes potentially dangerous. Just because you and I would never do it, doesn't mean that other women shouldn't have that choice.
Indeed, legalization has many benefits. Much like decriminalizing drugs has lots of benefits. But there is still addiction, even with legal drugs. Addiction that scars people's lives and the lives of those close to them. Kills people.

Prohibition, however, rarely ever works. So we are left with a couple of options that are both flawed. Personally, I don't think it is enough to legalize such work, it needs to be institutionalized. It needs beaucoup regulation. It needs a 401k. And it needs to help snuff out the illicit trade that will be in its shadow.
Nothing is every perfect but imo, decriminalizing both sex work and drugs far out weighs leaving them both illegal. Regulations would help too. Point being when you regulate both drugs and sex work to a reasonable extent, the people using the drugs and the people in sex industry are both more protected. Plus, we should not moralize either drugs or sex work.

Of course I'm not talking about addicts who hurt others or drive while heavily intoxicated and I'm not talking about sex trafficking or anyone feeling forced into doing sex work. It should be a choice.

ETOH is one of if not the worst drugs that people abuse, yet it's legal. It sometimes shortens lives if used in excess. I still recall a 34 year old patient, during my first year working as a nurse, who died of liver failure secondary to excessive drinking that he started at a very young age, by stealing beer from his parent's little store. At least that is what we nurses were told. Over eating sweets often leads to type II diabetes. Eating too much red meat often leads to heart disease. Smoking too much often leads to COPD or lung cancer. There are many harmful legal habits that humans often have, and there are many potentially dangerous jobs other than sex work. So, why do we choose to moralize and criminalize sex work and certain drugs? There are many sports that are potentially more dangerous than sex work but people are often fans of these sports. It makes no sense to me that humans moralize about sex workers who choose to do that type of work yet football and boxing to name two, are applauded. When can we come to terms that sex regardless if it's about love and friendship or making a living is part of human nature.

Anyway, this thread is about sex work, so I'll leave it at that.
 
I’m in a rush so I’ll just address the last: Providing manicures to the public does not carry with it the same risk to health from transmission disease or from violence as does sex work, even in places where sex work is legal.
Responding to @Toni


I worked as a home health nurse for many years, caring for people who often lived in high crime neighborhoods and sometimes having to deal with the potential threat of strange men. One nurse was threatened with a gun in such a neighborhood but luckily she got away. But, that work is perfectly legal and the pay was low, so why condemn women who choose to do sex work, even if it occasionally means having to deal with potential violence. Based on all the studies I've read, the most violence comes when sex work is illegal. A lot of it comes from the police who sometimes threaten to arrest a sex worker if she doesn't perform a sex act for them.

There was a female police officer in my pain therapy group. That is another line of work that females often do. I have a friend who is a retired GBI agent. I'm sure she had to deal with some potentially dangerous situations. But, it's legal for women to be police or GBI or FBI agents. Why isn't it legal for women to do sex work, if that's what they want?

The ACLU is currently trying to help decriminalize sex work. Again, it's about giving sex workers the same rights as anyone else who chooses a job that is sometimes potentially dangerous. Just because you and I would never do it, doesn't mean that other women shouldn't have that choice. I can't tell you how many times I was told by other women that they could never do what I did as a nurse. I can't imagine being a police officer. Teachers are sometimes put in potentially dangerous situations too, but most public school teachers are women and they choose that line of work, at least until they get burned out like lots of nurses do as well. Why are we so hard on sex workers? Why don't we women want them to be safer by making their work legal and giving them more protections?


As I’ve written before, I have no moral objections to any sex two ( or more) adults mutually consent to engage in.

I realize that legalization of prostitution reduces the risk of violence for some sex workers. That is a tremendous good!

But legalization does not solve all of the risks of violence or trafficking. It ‘expands the market.’


  • Countries with legalized prostitution are associated with higher human trafficking inflows than countries where prostitution is prohibited. The scale effect of legalizing prostitution, i.e. expansion of the market, outweighs the substitution effect, where legal sex workers are favored over illegal workers. On average, countries with legalized prostitution report a greater incidence of human trafficking inflows.
  • The effect of legal prostitution on human trafficking inflows is stronger in high-income countries than middle-income countries. Because trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation requires that clients in a potential destination country have sufficient purchasing power, domestic supply acts as a constraint.

There are obviously pros and cons to legalization of prostitution. For me, the pros do not outweigh the cons.
I could show you numerous articles that demonstrate the opposite. To me, it's wrong to make sex work illegal. The actual sex workers who's stories I've read claim that they feel safer when their work is legal and they no longer have to be worried about being arrested or harassed by the police. Plus with decent regulations their work is safer. I have a hard time believing that legalization causes more harm. That makes no sense to me, but I'll leave it at that as I doubt I will change your mind. Still, if I'm motivated one of these days, I'll find some more info about the benefits of making sex work legal. Of course I have no power to make it legal, but I am a member of the ACLU so I suppose I could claim that in some tiny way, my voice is being heard. :unsure:
 
I’m in a rush so I’ll just address the last: Providing manicures to the public does not carry with it the same risk to health from transmission disease or from violence as does sex work, even in places where sex work is legal.
Responding to @Toni


I worked as a home health nurse for many years, caring for people who often lived in high crime neighborhoods and sometimes having to deal with the potential threat of strange men. One nurse was threatened with a gun in such a neighborhood but luckily she got away. But, that work is perfectly legal and the pay was low, so why condemn women who choose to do sex work, even if it occasionally means having to deal with potential violence. Based on all the studies I've read, the most violence comes when sex work is illegal. A lot of it comes from the police who sometimes threaten to arrest a sex worker if she doesn't perform a sex act for them.

There was a female police officer in my pain therapy group. That is another line of work that females often do. I have a friend who is a retired GBI agent. I'm sure she had to deal with some potentially dangerous situations. But, it's legal for women to be police or GBI or FBI agents. Why isn't it legal for women to do sex work, if that's what they want?

The ACLU is currently trying to help decriminalize sex work. Again, it's about giving sex workers the same rights as anyone else who chooses a job that is sometimes potentially dangerous. Just because you and I would never do it, doesn't mean that other women shouldn't have that choice. I can't tell you how many times I was told by other women that they could never do what I did as a nurse. I can't imagine being a police officer. Teachers are sometimes put in potentially dangerous situations too, but most public school teachers are women and they choose that line of work, at least until they get burned out like lots of nurses do as well. Why are we so hard on sex workers? Why don't we women want them to be safer by making their work legal and giving them more protections?


As I’ve written before, I have no moral objections to any sex two ( or more) adults mutually consent to engage in.

I realize that legalization of prostitution reduces the risk of violence for some sex workers. That is a tremendous good!

But legalization does not solve all of the risks of violence or trafficking. It ‘expands the market.’


  • Countries with legalized prostitution are associated with higher human trafficking inflows than countries where prostitution is prohibited. The scale effect of legalizing prostitution, i.e. expansion of the market, outweighs the substitution effect, where legal sex workers are favored over illegal workers. On average, countries with legalized prostitution report a greater incidence of human trafficking inflows.
  • The effect of legal prostitution on human trafficking inflows is stronger in high-income countries than middle-income countries. Because trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation requires that clients in a potential destination country have sufficient purchasing power, domestic supply acts as a constraint.

There are obviously pros and cons to legalization of prostitution. For me, the pros do not outweigh the cons.
I could show you numerous articles that demonstrate the opposite. To me, it's wrong to make sex work illegal. The actual sex workers who's stories I've read claim that they feel safer when their work is legal and they no longer have to be worried about being arrested or harassed by the police. Plus with decent regulations their work is safer. I have a hard time believing that legalization causes more harm. That makes no sense to me, but I'll leave it at that as I doubt I will change your mind. Still, if I'm motivated one of these days, I'll find some more info about the benefits of making sex work legal. Of course I have no power to make it legal, but I am a member of the ACLU so I suppose I could claim that in some tiny way, my voice is being heard. :unsure:
Look at pot, for example. It’s legal in many states and that has generated new business models and products, including lots of CBD products. In my life, I’ve never been interested at all in smoking anything. But I’ve used some legal CBD products. Because they are legal. The market has expanded.

Ever notice that one coffee shop on a nice corner often leads to another coffee shop? Same thing with fast food and tattoo parlors.

Availability generates demand.

Do we think that making pot legal has increased or decreased demand for pot? Has it had an impact on illegal drugs? Would legalizing drugs reduce demand or increase it? Reduce the negative consequences of drug use? Sure, it would reduce arrests for buying/selling/possession. I applauded d that! But there are plenty of other negative effects.

Legalization would do nothing to reduce the demand for underaged sex workers. It would not reduce the demand for what could still remain illegal. It would not guarantee that sex workers are willing participants but it would make it easier to claim that they were.
 
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