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Well... it's Trump... again. #47, here we go.

unapologetic said:
Liberal billionaires? Is there such a thing?
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Right up until their interests no longer align with something the Democrats are doing. The important thing to remember about "billionaires" is that they only have continued access to those billions by the grace of their fellow billionaires. No billionaire truly has a Party, therefore - they have a rare socioeconomic class, and they are bound to it by blood and steel.
 
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Shadowy Man said:
The reasons prior Presidents didn’t have 24 karat gold in the Oval Office isn’t because they couldn’t have.
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It's because they had better taste.
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thebeave said:
Who's paying for the White House ballroom and what's in it for them
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More corruption! I'm truly shocked!
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Another grift. He's asking for $250 million or more in donations. Then stiff the contractors, and pocket the diffrence, like he always does.
All the while saying he's paying for it himself.
 
Elixir said:
ZiprHead said:
Trump will be attending the KegsBreath/top brass meeting next week.
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Gotta make sure everyone is on board with the upcoming looting of Venezuela.
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That seems like a perfect opportunity for the military to uphold their oath of allegiance to the Constitution.
ZiprHead said:
Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
Some of the highest quality 24 Karat Gold used in the Oval Office and Cabinet Room of the White House. Foreign Leaders, and everyone else, "freak out" when they see the quality and beauty. Best Oval Office ever, in terms of success and look!!! President DJT
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They "freak out" (more like have disdain) because of the crassness of what they see. There is no success emanating from this Oval Office, just bad policies and pathetic words (including these ones from Trump).
 
Based on an article I'm going to share, it looks like we now know who the real shadow president is. Of course, he's an evangelical w who doesn't give a shit about the poor. The quote below is just a tiny sample of a long article that I encourage you all to read if you really want to know who's behind the madness that is happening to the US.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/29/...e_code=1.pk8.SIav.na9N1mfUt4Jo&smid=url-share

Russell T. Vought spent years drawing up plans to expand presidential power and shrink federal bureaucracy. Now he is moving closer to making that vision a reality, threatening to erode checks and balances.

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Coral Davenport
By Coral Davenport

Reporting from Washington
  • Sept. 29, 2025Updated 6:57 a.m. ET

Russell T. Vought, the White House budget director, was preparing the Trump administration’s 2026 budget proposal this spring when his staff got some surprising news: Elon Musk’s cost-cutting team was unilaterally axing items that Mr. Vought had intended to keep.

Mr. Vought, a numbers wonk who rarely raises his voice, could barely contain his frustration, telling colleagues that he felt sidelined and undermined by the haphazard chaos of the Musk-led Department of Government Efficiency, according to six people with knowledge of his comments who, like others interviewed for this article, spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution.

“We’re going to let DOGE break things, and we’ll pick up the pieces later,” Mr. Vought told his staff during one flash of irritation, according to three of those people. Mr. Vought’s spokeswoman, Rachel Cauley, denied that he made those comments, and that he felt frustrated by Mr. Musk.

This had not been Mr. Vought’s plan.

Mr. Vought, who also directed the White House Office of Management and Budget in President Trump’s first term, had spent four years in exile from power. He worked through Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s presidency from an old rowhouse near the Capitol, where he complained of pigeons infesting his ceiling and coordinated with other Trump loyalists to draw up sweeping, detailed plans for a comeback.


But Mr. Vought (pronounced “vote”) had something Mr. Musk did not: He had done his homework.

In the months since Mr. Musk fell out with the president, Mr. Vought has at last begun to put his plans into action — remaking the presidency, block by block, by restoring powers weakened after the Nixon administration. His efforts are helping Mr. Trump exert authority more aggressively than any modern president, and are threatening an erosion of the longstanding checks and balances in America’s constitutional system.

Now, as the government heads toward a shutdown when federal funding lapses on Tuesday, Mr. Vought, 49, is leveraging the moment to further advance his goals of slashing agencies and purging employees, with his office telling agencies to prepare for mass firings unless Congress can strike a deal to keep the government open.
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Spacetime Inhabitant said:
That seems like a perfect opportunity for the military to uphold their oath of allegiance to the Constitution.
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Agree, whole heartedly. My mind goes to the administration’s well earned paranoia.
Maybe the Qataris would like to play a little turnabout. God knows the security apparatus that would have kept the meeting location secret, has long since been defunded.
 
The White House is implying a peace agreement is in hand for Israel/Gaza, though stepping back at to whether Netanyahu is expected to sign it. Once again, giving Trump a victory without an actual victory.

At this point, unless the Arab nations strong arm something, I don't see how Hamas and Netanyahu come to an agreement. Allegedly the agreement include full hostage release and a stepped removal of IDF presence in Gaza, but I don't see Hamas accepting that agreement, unless they are instructed to.
 
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Jimmy Higgins said:
The White House is implying a peace agreement is in hand for Israel/Gaza, though stepping back at to whether Netanyahu is expected to sign it. Once again, giving Trump a victory without an actual victory.

At this point, unless the Arab nations strong arm something, I don't see how Hamas and Netanyahu come to an agreement. Allegedly the agreement include full hostage release and a stepped removal of IDF presence in Gaza, but I don't see Hamas accepting that agreement, unless they are instructed to.
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Early in Press Conference, regarding Peace Deal:
Trump said:
We’re, at a minimum, very, very close. And I think we’re beyond very close.
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Things people say that have no meaning. *ding*
 
Looks like Gaza will be in ruins for the foreseeable future.
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President Trump says he will chair a transitional “Board of Peace” to supervise the redevelopment of Gaza once the war there ends.

Trump said it wasn’t his decision to head up the body — “Believe me, I’m very busy,” he said — but said that he agreed to it anyway.

“The leaders of the Arab world and Israel and everybody involved asked me to do this,” he said.
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20-pt plan debuts.
20-pt plan said:
  1. Gaza will be a deradicalized terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbors.
  2. Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of the people of Gaza, who have suffered more than enough.
  3. If both sides agree to this proposal, the war will immediately end. Israeli forces will withdraw to the agreed upon line to prepare for a hostage release. During this time, all military operations, including aerial and artillery bombardment, will be suspended, and battle lines will remain frozen until conditions are met for the complete staged withdrawal.
  4. Within 72 hours of Israel publicly accepting this agreement, all hostages, alive and deceased, will be returned.
  5. Once all hostages are released, Israel will release 250 life sentence prisoners plus 1700 Gazans who were detained after October 7th 2023, including all women and children detained in that context. For every Israeli hostage whose remains are released, Israel will release the remains of 15 deceased Gazans.
  6. Once all hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful co-existence and to decommission their weapons will be given amnesty. Members of Hamas who wish to leave Gaza will be provided safe passage to receiving countries.
  7. Upon acceptance of this agreement, full aid will be immediately sent into the Gaza Strip. At a minimum, aid quantities will be consistent with what was included in the January 19, 2025, agreement regarding humanitarian aid, including rehabilitation of infrastructure (water, electricity, sewage), rehabilitation of hospitals and bakeries, and entry of necessary equipment to remove rubble and open roads.
  8. Entry of distribution and aid in the Gaza Strip will proceed without interference from the two parties through the United Nations and its agencies, and the Red Crescent, in addition to other international institutions not associated in any manner with either party. Opening the Rafah crossing in both directions will be subject to the same mechanism implemented under the January 19, 2025 agreement.
  9. Gaza will be governed under the temporary transitional governance of a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee, responsible for delivering the day-to-day running of public services and municipalities for the people in Gaza. This committee will be made up of qualified Palestinians and international experts, with oversight and supervision by a new international transitional body, the “Board of Peace,” which will be headed and chaired by President Donald J. Trump, with other members and heads of State to be announced, including Former Prime Minister Tony Blair. This body will set the framework and handle the funding for the redevelopment of Gaza until such time as the Palestinian Authority has completed its reform program, as outlined in various proposals, including President Trump’s peace plan in 2020 and the Saudi-French proposal, and can securely and effectively take back control of Gaza. This body will call on best international standards to create modern and efficient governance that serves the people of Gaza and is conducive to attracting investment.
  10. A Trump economic development plan to rebuild and energize Gaza will be created by convening a panel of experts who have helped birth some of the thriving modern miracle cities in the Middle East. Many thoughtful investment proposals and exciting development ideas have been crafted by well-meaning international groups, and will be considered to synthesize the security and governance frameworks to attract and facilitate these investments that will create jobs, opportunity, and hope for future Gaza.
  11. A special economic zone will be established with preferred tariff and access rates to be negotiated with participating countries.
  12. No one will be forced to leave Gaza, and those who wish to leave will be free to do so and free to return. We will encourage people to stay and offer them the opportunity to build a better Gaza.
  13. Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in the governance of Gaza, directly, indirectly, or in any form. All military, terror, and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities, will be destroyed and not rebuilt. There will be a process of demilitarization of Gaza under the supervision of independent monitors, which will include placing weapons permanently beyond use through an agreed process of decommissioning, and supported by an internationally funded buy back and reintegration program all verified by the independent monitors. New Gaza will be fully committed to building a prosperous economy and to peaceful coexistence with their neighbors.
  14. A guarantee will be provided by regional partners to ensure that Hamas, and the factions, comply with their obligations and that New Gaza poses no threat to its neighbors or its people.
  15. The United States will work with Arab and international partners to develop a temporary International Stabilization Force (ISF) to immediately deploy in Gaza. The ISF will train and provide support to vetted Palestinian police forces in Gaza, and will consult with Jordan and Egypt who have extensive experience in this field. This force will be the long-term internal security solution. The ISF will work with Israel and Egypt to help secure border areas, along with newly trained Palestinian police forces. It is critical to prevent munitions from entering Gaza and to facilitate the rapid and secure flow of goods to rebuild and revitalize Gaza. A deconfliction mechanism will be agreed upon by the parties.
  16. Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza. As the ISF establishes control and stability, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will withdraw based on standards, milestones, and timeframes linked to demilitarization that will be agreed upon between the IDF, ISF, the guarantors, and the Unites States, with the objective of a secure Gaza that no longer poses a threat to Israel, Egypt, or its citizens. Practically, the IDF will progressively hand over the Gaza territory it occupies to the ISF according to an agreement they will make with the transitional authority until they are withdrawn completely from Gaza, save for a security perimeter presence that will remain until Gaza is properly secure from any resurgent terror threat.
  17. In the event Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above, including the scaled-up aid operation, will proceed in the terror-free areas handed over from the IDF to the ISF.
  18. An interfaith dialogue process will be established based on the values of tolerance and peaceful co-existence to try and change mindsets and narratives of Palestinians and Israelis by emphasizing the benefits that can be derived from peace.
  19. While Gaza re-development advances and when the PA reform program is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognize as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.
  20. The United States will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful and prosperous co-existence.
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I suppose there are some thoughts here. Nothing about who pays to rebuild Gaza for the Gazans that stay. Has Egypt and Jordan signed off on the ISF? There is also nothing about what Gaza will become. The "Board of Peace" is laughable. It will consist of *insert global leaders*.
 
Just one more “thing” for the narcissist to call himself “head” of.
And doomed to fail like everything else he has ever been in charge of.
 
crazyfingers said:
Loren Pechtel said:
We did, but more about having ID without an address. Use it to check into a hotel or the like and you don't leave a record of where there's an empty house. I do not think any document you carry on your person would be of much use if you encounter the Gestapo.
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Maybe. They can always steal it. But I would feel better. Besides a photo of my passport and birth certificate, and my mom and dad's birth and death certificates on my phone, I have my passport book in a ziplock in the bottom of my rucksack that I take everywhere.

I still wish I had a passport card. And I'm white as they come. 8 and 11 generations of grandparents from Maine and Cape Cod respective.y. Hell, I have 8 Mayflower Ancestors.
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I'm not talking about stealing the ID, but copying down your address and passing the info along to a burglar.

I would prefer not to carry any such documents if I don't need to. Too much hassle if they get stolen--nobody's going to grab it out of your backpack but they could grab the whole pack. I used to have the images simply for travel, now I think they're a good idea for the Gestapo.
 
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