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VP Vance Campaigning n Hungary

Toni said:
They are prepping him for taking over from Trump. Next year. Or sooner if they impeach.
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They'd be well advised to install Shady Vance immediately. They might even retain some control over Congress this fall, if he makes enough hollow promises and sincere-sounding apologies for the orange scourge. And it would strengthen their hand immeasurably for ‘28.
 
Toni said:
laughing dog said:
Harry Bosch said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
The American actor Rob Schneider also lent his support.
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Ultimately, this will be their undoing.
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Can anyone explain MAGA's love of Putin?
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Putin is a white Christian nationalist.
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I’m of the opinion that one cannot correctly write White Christian Nationalist without putting quotes around the word Christian. If speaking, the correct pronunciation is mandatory air quotes around the word Christian,
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Just my opinion, but when someone calls themself something then it must be taken at face value in order to be able to evaluate what it means to be Christian in the context of the religion as a whole.

Generally, it seems that "Christian" means whatever they want it to mean in any given context. My experience growing up in a Christian family was very different than the snake handling cults, but both consider themselves Christian.

There are good hearted Christians who are good people and there are black hearted Christians who are awful people. Either way, both are Christians.
 
Elixir said:
Toni said:
They are prepping him for taking over from Trump. Next year. Or sooner if they impeach.
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They'd be well advised to install Shady Vance immediately. They might even retain some control over Congress this fall, if he makes enough hollow promises and sincere-sounding apologies for the orange scourge. And it would strengthen their hand immeasurably for ‘28.
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I think they are planning something different.

Remember Trump saying that we wouldn’t need to vote again if we just voted for him in 2024?

They don’t intend for the to be another president tail election. I think they are attempting to provoke some horrific set of events to allow for Martial Law and to suspend elections. What? That’s against the Constitution? So is a lot of what Trump is doing now.

Occupying cities with ICE agents has not gotten them armed rebellion, so why not provoke a war with some other crazy guy—a Muslim—someone we can all hate whose country already did something despicable.

This may not happen, but it’s being planned and worked towards
 
Colonel Sanders said:
Generally, it seems that "Christian" means whatever they want it to mean in any given context. My experience growing up in a Christian family was very different than the snake handling cults, but both consider themselves Christian.
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The word "Christian" strikes me as meaningless and valueless, as it covers a sufficiently wide range of moral and political positions as to mean pretty much anything.

Fringe sects like to pretend that everyone who self-describes as "Christian" is on their side in any given situation, but that is, of course, insane.

If you want to know about my ethics and morals, it helps you not one iota to know that I support Leeds United; Both I, and some guy who just smashed a Manchester United supporter's teeth in with a half-brick, describe ourselves as "Leeds fans", but we have essentially nothing in common other than an arbitrary fandom - we don't even agree about what that fandom means, beyond the trivial fact that we both cheer if Leeds win.

Same applies to the relationship between Christians who think their Christianity imposes a duty to help out at a soup kitchen for the destitute, and Christians who think their Christianity justifies bombing an Islamic Girls School.

They're so wildly different that it's irrational to use the same label for both, and to expect it to reveal commonalities (rather than conceal differences).

And yet, the temptation to do so is huge, as there's a lot more clout when saying "I, and a billion people just like me, want XYZ", than there would be in saying "I, and a few hundred people just like me, want XYZ".
 
Colonel Sanders said:
Toni said:
laughing dog said:
Harry Bosch said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
The American actor Rob Schneider also lent his support.
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Ultimately, this will be their undoing.
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Can anyone explain MAGA's love of Putin?
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Putin is a white Christian nationalist.
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I’m of the opinion that one cannot correctly write White Christian Nationalist without putting quotes around the word Christian. If speaking, the correct pronunciation is mandatory air quotes around the word Christian,
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Just my opinion, but when someone calls themself something then it must be taken at face value in order to be able to evaluate what it means to be Christian in the context of the religion as a whole.

Generally, it seems that "Christian" means whatever they want it to mean in any given context. My experience growing up in a Christian family was very different than the snake handling cults, but both consider themselves Christian.

There are good hearted Christians who are good people and there are black hearted Christians who are awful people. Either way, both are Christians.
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One of the reasons I quit going to church was that the youth minister in our Baptist church was quite vocal about Catholics not being Christian, instead being a bunch of idol worshippers. Basically where I grew up almost every church was more or less Baptist, with Methodists being the liberal minority and Catholics being fairly rare. All of those churches considered themselves the only true ‘Christians’ except perhaps for the Methodists. Years later in another state my Catholic neighbors were disparaging their daughter in law’s non-Catholicism, wishing she’d be a Christian aka Catholicclike they were. They were shocked and rightly offended do when I told them where I grew up Catholics were often considered not really Christian.

So for me, someone declaring themselves Christian does not indicate in any way that they hold even a single Christian value or belief. A childhood friend became a theologian and she often writes about what Jesus taught vs what is taught in most churches. I tend to agree with her that many ‘Christian’ churches don’t seem to care much about the teachings of Christ.

I’ve known very fine people of many different religious persuasions, including none. I honestly don’t care what religious beliefs you claim to hold. I care about how you treat others.
 
"I feel it in my bones something's going to change," said first-time voter Fanni, who came with her mother from a village two hours' drive away in the south. "I don't believe I'd vote for [Magyar] in an ideal situation, but this is our only chance."
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This is why you go with the lesser of the two weevils. With each successive reelection of an individual or hard line ideology, it becomes increasingly difficult to purge the nation of its corruption.
Wikipedia said:
Since Orbán resumed office in 2010, Hungary has experienced democratic backsliding and weakened judicial independence, while witnessing an increase in corruption and the establishment of governmental agencies with stricter oversight of the press and media. During his second premiership, several controversial constitutional and legislative reforms were made, including the 2013 amendments to the Constitution of Hungary.
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Hopefully his concession didn't come with a silent asterisk attached. It was a sound defeat with a large turnout.
 
Orban's party dropped from 135 to 54 seats in the 199 seat parliament. Peter the Hungarian will be the next Prime Minister.
 
Ha, ha, Vance fails to get a peace deal with Iran and then his campaigning in Hungary for Orban is a complete failure!

Sorry, J.D., you slobbering, opportunistic syncophant, you are not ever going to be president unless the Orange Turd dies in office or is removed. And even if that happens your tenure will be short.
 
pood said:
Sorry, J.D., you slobbering, opportunistic syncophant, you are not ever going to be president unless the Orange Turd dies in office or is removed. And even if that happens your tenure will be short.
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But he will still be rich.
Life ain’t fair.
 
It was a stunning blow for Orbán — a close ally of both U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin
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Oh yeah. Say it again.
It was a stunning blow for Orbán — a close ally of both U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin
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And Orban conceded. Did you hear that, fuckstick?
 
Colonel Sanders said:
Toni said:
laughing dog said:
Harry Bosch said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
The American actor Rob Schneider also lent his support.
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Ultimately, this will be their undoing.
Click to expand...

Can anyone explain MAGA's love of Putin?
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Putin is a white Christian nationalist.
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I’m of the opinion that one cannot correctly write White Christian Nationalist without putting quotes around the word Christian. If speaking, the correct pronunciation is mandatory air quotes around the word Christian,
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Just my opinion, but when someone calls themself something then it must be taken at face value in order to be able to evaluate what it means to be Christian in the context of the religion as a whole.

Generally, it seems that "Christian" means whatever they want it to mean in any given context. My experience growing up in a Christian family was very different than the snake handling cults, but both consider themselves Christian.

There are good hearted Christians who are good people and there are black hearted Christians who are awful people. Either way, both are Christians.
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I see it as a much older and more subtle instance of the same phenomena which leads to the DPRK being named "People's" and "Democratic", when it's a kingdom with a Royal line and family.

Someone can call themselves into an identity with bad faith.

I think the identity itself is utterly useless with respect to understanding whether people are in any way "good" at this point in time.

There is, ironically, a Bible verse about the subject: you will know them by their love.

In more strict understanding, the understanding of reality rather than scripture, I see this as a truism about the abstract concept someone defines as love as much as by how well they implement the thing they call love.

Love is made of meaningful substantive actions and the love Jesus Christ, source character of the fictionalized Gospel accounts (assuming the core event of the "temple tantrum" and subsequent humiliating execution even happened, which is only "likely"), defined was specifically feed, clothe, shelter, and make way for the "low" and the free to make this world suffer less and be more of a heaven for everyone born into and of it. That was what he thought Love was.

So when people do that for "just us" in a way that arbitrarily excludes folks, it's really shitty.

You can know them by their love in whether they prefer to pay tithes or taxes, and how much they attempt to filter the access people have to the means to live their lives and meaningfully access the power to contribute to the process of those means.

When people do false things like spending all their money to have a grand structure that only feeds it's members (and so, mostly, families), send cheaply published bibles bought at fairly large markups from various publishing houses owned by people like Vaught and Thiel, well...

That sounds very false to me, and it strikes me as a shame so few seek to dig beyond the surface to see whether they help others or themselves.
 
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