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Tigers! said:
laughing dog said:
Tigers! said:
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Tigers! said:
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Tigers! said:
laughing dog said:
Historically, farmers have had large families, even those in North America. That seems a more likely reason.

And why would Palestinians in ostensibly Palestinian territory need defense against Israel? It’s a mystery.
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For much the same reason that Jews living in obstensibly Israeli terriority would need defense againat Hamas or Hezbollah. It is indeed a mystery.
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Could you explain how your reply is relevant to a discussion about the size of a Palestinian farmer’s family?
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You are the one introduced the phrase about Palestinians and defence in post 11,280. Not I. I wonder about its revelancy
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I responded to Derec’s crack about the farmers family size. And I completely understand that you wonder about the relevancy of my response to Derek that explains why you cannot explain the relevancy of your post.

Perhaps if you asked yourself why a Palestinian farmer in Palestinian territory would need a demographic weapon against Israel, you’’re wondering might cease.
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If all parties would firstly stay on their own side of borders then sit down and discuss responsibly, maturely their hopes, dreams, fears and aspirations there might come a time when we do not have to read of the incessant conflict in that part of the world.
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Naturally. But I wonder what that has to do with a murdered Palestinian farmer in the West Bank and his alleged motives to have 6 children.
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Since I did not bring up a murdered farmer or his alleged motives for 6 children I will pass on that. I am sure others are more motivated than I to discuss with you.
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Too bad you didn't decided to pass on that before you decided to interject yourself into that discussion.
 
steve_bank said:
Part of the problem is Israel thinks its borders are wherever it says they are.
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It isn't that simple. Israel was much smaller. And then the surrounding Arab nations made some critical errors of judgment (repeatedly) which led to Israel growing. If Israel wanted to, they could have conquered more.

The problem in Israel and the surrounding areas is that the people with the power have massive grudges and they refuse to move forward. This is then made worse by powers like Iran stoking the embers. And no one actually cares about the Palestinians, Earth's orphans.

A bunch of people that are making each other suffer for reasons they think are reasonable, and while some of the reasons are viable, their logic and problem solving sucks!
 
Some good news:

IDF kills Hamas terrorists involved in hostage-taking on October 7
Jerusalem Post said:
The incident took place Saturday as an "armed Hamas terrorist cell" approached the Yellow Line in Gaza and planned to carry out "an imminent terror attack" against Israeli troops in the area, the military said.
Following further intelligence analysis, the IDF confirmed that those killed included Ali Sami Mohammad Shakra, a Nukhba unit commander who infiltrated Israel during the October 7 attacks and took part in the kidnapping of Hersh Goldberg-Polin, Alon Ohel, Eliya Cohen, and Or Levy from a roadside shelter near Kibbutz Re’im. Goldberg-Polin was executed by his captors, while Ohel, Cohen, and Levy were released in different stages.
Also killed in the strike were Mohammad Mabhouh, a company commander in Hamas’s al-Bureij battalion, and Mohammad Fuad Jaser Sayyid. The IDF said both were involved in holding Israeli hostage Avinatan Or in captivity. Or was released by Hamas on October 13, 2025, after 738 days in captivity.
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In not so good news, NPR felt the need to profile a Hezbollah commander (equivalent of a Major General apparently) . It did not call him "terrorist", only that US considers Hezbollah terrorists. Such mealy-mouthed cowardice by NPR.
A Hezbollah commander describes battling Israel in Lebanon
NPR said:
It was too dangerous to meet in person.
Israel has been hunting him and his comrades, picking them off by airstrike and drone, in surprise attacks that often kill civilians alongside them.
In a 40-minute phone call late Thursday, a Hezbollah field commander told NPR how he was wounded in Israel's vast bombardment of Beirut a day earlier, which killed more than 350 people, according to Lebanese authorities. An Israeli missile exploded in the street next to a building in the capital's southern suburbs, where he was sheltering. Flying glass and debris injured him in the arms and legs, the commander says. Two people, he said, died next to him.
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It continues in this sympathetic fashion. 🤮
The article does, however, confirm that Hezbollah never had any intention to honor the 2024 ceasefire.
This Israeli invasion has reignited a long-running conflict that was supposed to have paused with a November 2024 ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon, in which Lebanon's Army promised to disarm Hezbollah in the country's south. The United Nations says Israel violated that ceasefire thousands of times between late 2024 and early this year, with continued airstrikes that have killed more than 100 civilians.
While Hezbollah held its fire during that period, Jihad says they never disarmed. He says they pointed Lebanese soldiers to disused, defunct or damaged old stockpiles they no longer needed, and let them confiscate those. But Hezbollah's real arsenal was largely untouched, he says.
"They didn't confiscate anything! We gave them empty boxes, or a few old items to go blow up," he explains.
He says Hezbollah's weapons weren't as depleted by the 2024 war as Israel believed, and that the group has re-armed since then — with a mix of imported weapons and domestically manufactured ones.
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And yet, UN (and by extension NPR, by not commenting on Hezbollah's duplicity in not even beginning to honor the ceasefire) is accusing Israel of violating it. And note also that the latest hostilities started because Hezbollah decided to start shooting rockets into Israel because of the Iran war.
 
Derec said:
Some good news:

IDF kills Hamas terrorists involved in hostage-taking on October 7
Jerusalem Post said:
The incident took place Saturday as an "armed Hamas terrorist cell" approached the Yellow Line in Gaza and planned to carry out "an imminent terror attack" against Israeli troops in the area, the military said.
Following further intelligence analysis, the IDF confirmed that those killed included Ali Sami Mohammad Shakra, a Nukhba unit commander who infiltrated Israel during the October 7 attacks and took part in the kidnapping of Hersh Goldberg-Polin, Alon Ohel, Eliya Cohen, and Or Levy from a roadside shelter near Kibbutz Re’im. Goldberg-Polin was executed by his captors, while Ohel, Cohen, and Levy were released in different stages.
Also killed in the strike were Mohammad Mabhouh, a company commander in Hamas’s al-Bureij battalion, and Mohammad Fuad Jaser Sayyid. The IDF said both were involved in holding Israeli hostage Avinatan Or in captivity. Or was released by Hamas on October 13, 2025, after 738 days in captivity.
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In not so good news, NPR felt the need to profile a Hezbollah commander (equivalent of a Major General apparently) . It did not call him "terrorist", only that US considers Hezbollah terrorists. Such mealy-mouthed cowardice by NPR.
A Hezbollah commander describes battling Israel in Lebanon
NPR said:
It was too dangerous to meet in person.
Israel has been hunting him and his comrades, picking them off by airstrike and drone, in surprise attacks that often kill civilians alongside them.
In a 40-minute phone call late Thursday, a Hezbollah field commander told NPR how he was wounded in Israel's vast bombardment of Beirut a day earlier, which killed more than 350 people, according to Lebanese authorities. An Israeli missile exploded in the street next to a building in the capital's southern suburbs, where he was sheltering. Flying glass and debris injured him in the arms and legs, the commander says. Two people, he said, died next to him.
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It continues in this sympathetic fashion. 🤮
The article does, however, confirm that Hezbollah never had any intention to honor the 2024 ceasefire.
This Israeli invasion has reignited a long-running conflict that was supposed to have paused with a November 2024 ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon, in which Lebanon's Army promised to disarm Hezbollah in the country's south. The United Nations says Israel violated that ceasefire thousands of times between late 2024 and early this year, with continued airstrikes that have killed more than 100 civilians.
While Hezbollah held its fire during that period, Jihad says they never disarmed. He says they pointed Lebanese soldiers to disused, defunct or damaged old stockpiles they no longer needed, and let them confiscate those. But Hezbollah's real arsenal was largely untouched, he says.
"They didn't confiscate anything! We gave them empty boxes, or a few old items to go blow up," he explains.
He says Hezbollah's weapons weren't as depleted by the 2024 war as Israel believed, and that the group has re-armed since then — with a mix of imported weapons and domestically manufactured ones.
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And yet, UN (and by extension NPR, by not commenting on Hezbollah's duplicity in not even beginning to honor the ceasefire) is accusing Israel of violating it. And note also that the latest hostilities started because Hezbollah decided to start shooting rockets into Israel because of the Iran war.
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To be fair, history shows that no one in the region has any intention to honor a ceasefire.
 
Ex-hostage says he was flooded with hate messages from fellow Israelis after post calling for treating Arabs with respect

In the post, Braslavski shared how he had noticed elderly Arab construction workers working long hours outside his building and decided to buy them some soda and cigarettes. Braslavski spoke to them in Arabic, which he says caught them off guard, and in addition, said they were confused as to why he was making the gesture.

“Their looks at me — someone wearing a kippah, not hating them, but instead wanting to help and make their day a little better — was of total shock,” Braslavski wrote.


“So I have to ask: Why has helping others become something so unusual? Why should an adult Arab man be so shocked that a Jewish man is concerned about them?”

“Are we a society with that much hatred between Arabs and Jews? I was kidnapped by Arabs, and I wouldn’t say that I’m nuts about them, but we must leave room for humanity amidst all this chaos we live in,” he added.
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bilby said:
Not sure how it is either mealymouthed or cowardice to fail to blindly agree with the US government.
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It's not about "blindly agreeing" with the US government, but about accepting reality. Or is it your contention that Hezbos are not terrorists?

And note that it is hardly just the US and Israel that view Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. Many countries, including UK, Canada, Australia, the EU, UAE and Argentina (where Hezbollah committed a suicide bombing in 1994) agree.

The NPR puff piece about the Hezbo general was in really poor taste.
 
Derec said:
bilby said:
Not sure how it is either mealymouthed or cowardice to fail to blindly agree with the US government.
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It's not about "blindly agreeing" with the US government, but about accepting reality. Or is it your contention that Hezbos are not terrorists?

And note that it is hardly just the US and Israel that view Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. Many countries, including UK, Canada, Australia, the EU, UAE and Argentina (where Hezbollah committed a suicide bombing in 1994) agree.

The NPR puff piece about the Hezbo general was in really poor taste
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Of course they are a terrorist organization. They are a militia launching rockets without the permission of their country. If I were Lebanese, I would hate Hezbollah.
 
Harry Bosch said:
Derec said:
bilby said:
Not sure how it is either mealymouthed or cowardice to fail to blindly agree with the US government.
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It's not about "blindly agreeing" with the US government, but about accepting reality. Or is it your contention that Hezbos are not terrorists?

And note that it is hardly just the US and Israel that view Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. Many countries, including UK, Canada, Australia, the EU, UAE and Argentina (where Hezbollah committed a suicide bombing in 1994) agree.

The NPR puff piece about the Hezbo general was in really poor taste
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Of course they are a terrorist organization. They are a militia launching rockets without the permission of their country. If I were Lebanese, I would hate Hezbollah.
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That is the rub though. "Both sides" have issues. Israel in the past has been much less pre-emptive with their use of force. Most often, Israel is reacting to force against them. But when they use force, it is asymmetrical both in power and destruction which commonly lead to civilians deaths. Not intended, likely attempts to mitigate as much as Israel can, but they rather accidentally kill a Lebanese person than get dozens of Israeli soldiers killed, which would likely also likely lead to civilian deaths.

Israel can't simply target Hezbollah and Hamas, which has real world consequences to the people in the way. It is an ugly reality. An unfair one for Israel (when not being led by a despot). But there are definitely fabrics of truth to reasons the Lebanese wouldn't not be sympathetic to Hezbollah, because they have seen the damage the harm on the ground. Which continues to grow the inertia on the ground.

Mossad and Israel have shown the limits of what extreme surgical cunning and blunt military force can actually accomplish. It doesn't have to be fair, to be truth.
 
After losing loved ones, an Israeli and a Palestinian work together for Middle East peace

The Middle East is a place of dueling narratives, and language can be a minefield.

"We don't really debate language so much," says Abu Sarah, calling it pointless when people are dying. "We don't censor each other."

In fact, their word choices mirror one another's. Inon has made a point of using the same language as Abu Sarah when they speak together. If Abu Sarah says his brother was killed, Inon says his parents were killed. If one uses the word "murdered," the other does too. "We are modeling equality," says Inon.
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