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Lets see how Data Centers are impacting the midterms in the US.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/23/...e_code=1.7lA.U0I4.I-ck-V2yA3Gy&smid=url-share

At least for now, the NYT is allowing me to share an unlimited number of articles. This one is rather long, so feel free to read the rest if interested.

The fight over data centers is suddenly at the epicenter of the midterm elections.

One new ad in Texas begins with someone typing into a chatbot, “Why is my electric bill going up?” Another in Ohio blames one of the state’s Republican senators for a proliferation of data centers, calling them “a total scam.” And in top House battlegrounds in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, the Democratic challengers are all running ads against the server warehouses powering the artificial intelligence boom.

Data centers have become unlikely fault-lines in the broader fight over an A.I. revolution that is remaking the global economy and threatening to disrupt the job market. Now politicians are racing to tap into the backlash — or inoculate themselves — as political strategists in both parties described the issue as an unusually fast-moving force that is already reshaping races for the House, the Senate and governor’s mansions.

“It’s very much a bottom up, organic movement,” said Anna Greenberg, a veteran Democratic pollster, who said that while people’s views on data centers were largely tied to how close they live to them, the facilities were also becoming symbols of the excesses of Silicon Valley.

“Data centers are a physical manifestation,” she said. “Billionaires are building them, and it feeds into all of the big tech skepticism that is there. It’s very symbolic of everybody’s issues with A.I.”

There are signs that the emerging data center debate is scrambling the usual partisan divisions.

So far, Democrats have chiefly been the ones racing to harness voter anger about data centers over rising electricity prices, water use and mistrust of the tech sector. They aim to punish Republicans for cozying up to industry by approving many of these projects.

But in recent weeks, a growing number of Republican candidates have scrambled to shield themselves from any fallout. They have voiced skepticism about data centers, despite President Trump’s full-throated cheerleading for the A.I. industry and fears among party leaders in Washington that blocking construction of the centers could slow the economy and make the United States less competitive against China.

Some Republicans are now using “data center” as an epithet, and casting themselves as the real opponents of corporate tax breaks and unfettered construction. Last week, Mike Rogers, the Republican running for Senate in the key swing state of Michigan, said that he supports a one-year moratorium on data center construction.

Polls show a revolt brewing against data centers. A Gallup pollconducted in March showed 71 percent opposed local construction of the centers, and a summer survey from the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania showed that the number of people opposing new data centers in their areas had risen by 12 percentage points since February and March.

The fallout has been so swift that in some races, including the governor’s contests in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Florida, both Democrats and Republicans are airing television ads about data centers.
 
So, where will the most data centers be located in the US? Btw, a neighboring county in Georgia has just banned them and my county is trying to fight them or at least limit them. There is a limited amount of rural property in my area.

So, here's another shared article that says where the most will likely be. Read the entire article to learn more.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/25/...e_code=1.7lA.oaFR.4otUofiZyPyu&smid=url-share

The rural South expects the most of the noisy, power-hungry facilities.
Driven by the demands of A.I., more than 1,500 U.S. data centers are in the development pipeline, with the rural South leading the wave, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of Data Center Map, an industry resource and marketplace. While most existing data centers are in urban areas, many new ones are planned in rural locations.

“The biggest areas are Texas, Virginia and Georgia,” said Matthew Shaw, a Coalition for Responsible Data Center Developmentvolunteer. With an abundance of land and water, the South hosts 1,209 data centers, with plans for 754 more.

Many locals have pushed back against the opening of these massive power-hungry facilities. Potential downsides include increased electricity costs, loud noises, water management concerns and light disruption, said Anthony Pipa, a Brookings fellow researching rural data centers.

“People have ancestral homes out there,” said Steve Swope about the proposed Project Sail data center site in Coweta County, Ga., near his home. “Their property values are just going to be destroyed. They moved out there for a quiet, rural lifestyle, and now they’re faced with 10 years of ongoing construction.”
 
Here in PA I'm seeing ads for data centers claiming they will help bring our electric bills down. (what bullshit)
One politician is running on a ticket of being pro data center.
There is a data center proposed for right next to our local steam (nuclear) power plant, on the banks on the Susquehanna river.

Is this just a “NIMBY” issue or do people actually not want data centers to exist at all?
Part of the resistance is concerns about the surveillance state that data centers enable.
NIMBY is not trivial. Data centers are bad neighbors. Water and electric shortages and noise are real concerns.

Fiber opitc cable is cheap. It is essentially glass.
There is a sand shortage coming. I have seen reports of a beach being stolen. Presumably for concrete production.

LLMs are not pre-AI, unless intelligence is fundamentally linguistic
Some LDMs (Large Data Models) are used to generate art and photos. Fed tons of images, not language.
Someday someone may figure out what to feed it to generate reasoned decisions.
Just how the fuck do we define/recognize intelligence anyway?

I'm saying the value in AI is when it replaces labor, ie the cost of it becomes valuable to someone so that they'd pay for it.
It has already replaced the labor of surveillance/information gathering.
It is my fear that Big Brother and the holding company advertising industry is what is driving the AI/Data Center bubble.
 
Just how the fuck do we define/recognize intelligence anyway?
Well, that's a question that anyone claiming to have an AI has to answer, surely? And to be fair, they need to answer it before claiming that they can generate it artificially.

I don't know what intelligence is, but I don't have any good reason to think that it is merely the ability to guess the next word, or to guess the next pixel. And it is telling that AI boosters have yet to provide that reason.
 
Lets see how Data Centers are impacting the midterms in the US.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/23/...e_code=1.7lA.U0I4.I-ck-V2yA3Gy&smid=url-share

At least for now, the NYT is allowing me to share an unlimited number of articles. This one is rather long, so feel free to read the rest if interested.

The fight over data centers is suddenly at the epicenter of the midterm elections.

One new ad in Texas begins with someone typing into a chatbot, “Why is my electric bill going up?” Another in Ohio blames one of the state’s Republican senators for a proliferation of data centers, calling them “a total scam.” And in top House battlegrounds in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, the Democratic challengers are all running ads against the server warehouses powering the artificial intelligence boom.

Data centers have become unlikely fault-lines in the broader fight over an A.I. revolution that is remaking the global economy and threatening to disrupt the job market. Now politicians are racing to tap into the backlash — or inoculate themselves — as political strategists in both parties described the issue as an unusually fast-moving force that is already reshaping races for the House, the Senate and governor’s mansions.

“It’s very much a bottom up, organic movement,” said Anna Greenberg, a veteran Democratic pollster, who said that while people’s views on data centers were largely tied to how close they live to them, the facilities were also becoming symbols of the excesses of Silicon Valley.

“Data centers are a physical manifestation,” she said. “Billionaires are building them, and it feeds into all of the big tech skepticism that is there. It’s very symbolic of everybody’s issues with A.I.”

There are signs that the emerging data center debate is scrambling the usual partisan divisions.

So far, Democrats have chiefly been the ones racing to harness voter anger about data centers over rising electricity prices, water use and mistrust of the tech sector. They aim to punish Republicans for cozying up to industry by approving many of these projects.

But in recent weeks, a growing number of Republican candidates have scrambled to shield themselves from any fallout. They have voiced skepticism about data centers, despite President Trump’s full-throated cheerleading for the A.I. industry and fears among party leaders in Washington that blocking construction of the centers could slow the economy and make the United States less competitive against China.

Some Republicans are now using “data center” as an epithet, and casting themselves as the real opponents of corporate tax breaks and unfettered construction. Last week, Mike Rogers, the Republican running for Senate in the key swing state of Michigan, said that he supports a one-year moratorium on data center construction.

Polls show a revolt brewing against data centers. A Gallup pollconducted in March showed 71 percent opposed local construction of the centers, and a summer survey from the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania showed that the number of people opposing new data centers in their areas had risen by 12 percentage points since February and March.

The fallout has been so swift that in some races, including the governor’s contests in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Florida, both Democrats and Republicans are airing television ads about data centers.
Ohio has plenty going on for advertisements. Husted is getting hammered over a lot of stuff, including Data Centers. Generally Data Centers are the lead, however, there have been a number of things about him getting money from an Epstein aide or compatriot and the First Energy scandal in Ohio is in commercials too, people went to jail over it. Husted, as far as I know merely voted for it and wasn't part of the bribery itself.

I can't understand how data centers are driving so much attention. Social Security is going to run out and benefits will be cut. Trump is fucking with Canada over trade, to make US costs go up. Iran! But nope... data centers. Because people are dumb.
 
Social Security is going to run out and benefits will be cut. Trump is fucking with Canada over trade, to make US costs go up. Iran! But nope... data centers.
Data centers are brick and mortar intrusions into people’s actual lives, not abstractions like “Trump fucking with Canada”, which requires a lot of explication to get people concerned. Fucking with Canada … that can be lived with. Not like a big ugly, noisy thing in their neighborhood driving down property values.
 
As I understand it, the cold ocean water surrounds the whole structure, negating the need for an internal, circulating cooling system and keeping the internal room termperature at just a few degrees above freezing. Still, the salt water exposed parts of the structure need to be seriously protected long term against corrosion. A tall order. I do wonder about maintenance and repairs though. Is there a direct access tunnel located above water? Or do you have to be a scuba diver?
 
In the news last night the opposition to data centers is so high that instead of asking for tax breaks to build in town, investors are offering perks like helping schools.
 
As I understand it, the cold ocean water surrounds the whole structure, negating the need for an internal, circulating cooling system and keeping the internal room termperature at just a few degrees above freezing. Still, the salt water exposed parts of the structure need to be seriously protected long term against corrosion. A tall order. I do wonder about maintenance and repairs though. Is there a direct access tunnel located above water? Or do you have to be a scuba diver?
Copper/nickel sea water to distilled water heat exchangers work fine and last a long time.
 
There is. From the article.

Microsoft previously tested submerged data center capsules through its Project Natick initiative, conducted near Scotland and California before discontinuing commercial development efforts.

Those earlier experiments nevertheless suggested underwater systems could experience lower hardware failure rates because sealed environments limited exposure to oxygen and temperature fluctuations.

However, large-scale underwater deployments continue facing significant engineering concerns involving corrosion, pressure sealing, subsea cable durability, and long-term hardware accessibility during emergencies.

Replacing malfunctioning equipment underwater remains considerably more complicated than conventional facilities, where technicians can physically inspect servers and infrastructure within minutes.

Operators therefore depend heavily on remote monitoring technologies, modular sealed systems, and redundant infrastructure intended to minimize direct maintenance requirements throughout operational lifespans.

Similar concepts continue to emerge globally as governments and technology companies examine unconventional approaches for handling artificial intelligence infrastructure demands without overwhelming terrestrial resources.
I still think it's a pretty damned good idea.

The fresh waters of the Great Lakes might be a better choice.
 
Seen this elsewhere. As I've already said AI is a bubble about to burst, this seems apropos:

AI bubble about to COLLAPSE? Exposé on MAGA ally Larry Ellison's DEBT BOMB (MS NOW on YouTube, Aug 15, 2026 – 20:17 min.)
MS NOW’s Ari Melber delivers a special report on the tech boom, deregulation and the MAGA allies reshaping AI and media. Melber draws from a New York Times investigation, “Larry Ellison Bet It All on the A.I. Boom. Will He Be the Face of an A.I. Bubble?” New York Times reporter Jim Rutenberg joined Melber later on “The Beat.”
Articles mentioned in the video:
Wall Street is growing increasingly uneasy at the AI investment bubble (npr, July 30, 2026)
The AI Bailout Could Be Baked into the AI Bubble (The American Prospect, Aug 3, 2026)
Is AI a Bubble? It's Starting to Get Soapy (WSJ, May 19, 2026)
Is the Artificial Intelligence (AI) Bubble about to Burst? (yahoo!finance, July 12, 2026)
We're 'Absolutely' in an AI Bubble Right Now, Says Lead Edge Capital's Mitchell Green (CNBC on YouTube, Aug 12, 2026)
'Big Short' Michael Burry Says the Bulletproof AI Narrative Reminds Him of the Dot-Com and Housing Bubbles (Business Insider, Aug 14, 2026)
The AI Bubble Is No Ordinary Bubble (The Atlantic, July 21, 2026)
Wall St. Wants Another Half-Trillion Dollars for the A.I. Boom (NYT, Aug 11, 2026)
Top economic warns that the AI math doesn't make sense (Fortune/Yahoo!, Aug 10, 2026)
The Tech Expert Thinks It's 'Time to Call Bull**** on tha AI Industry' (PC Mag, Aug 11, 2026)
What Happens If the AI Bubble Pops? (Marketplace, July 29, 2026)
Larry Ellison Bet It All on the A.I. Boom. Will He Be the Face of the A.I. Bubble? (NYT, Aug 5, 2026)
Larry Ellison pledges $40-billion personal guarantee for Paramount's Warner Bros. bid (Los Angeles Times, Dec 22, 2026)
 
Ha Ha. Texass power grid is already stressed.
Not just Commie Luddites see the problems with data centers.
 
Just how many data centers do we actually need?
In PA I've heard "We're going to be left behind".
(A.) "China is building them. We need them too."
This admits DCs/AI is dangerous. It WILL be weaponized.
(B.) "Ohio is building more of them than we are, we need to catch up."
More is not better. More intelligent is better. New ones built now will fail economically from over supply of the market.
 
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In the news last night the opposition to data centers is so high that instead of asking for tax breaks to build in town, investors are offering perks like helping schools.
Not sure that big corporations should be wanting to draw attention to why the schools in these towns need so much help...
 
In the news last night the opposition to data centers is so high that instead of asking for tax breaks to build in town, investors are offering perks like helping schools.
Not sure that big corporations should be wanting to draw attention to why the schools in these towns need so much help...
In most other cases towns go begging for industry to come to pay for things like schools, taxes. SAnd create jobs. Towns ciompe6e for industry with incentives and tax breaks,

Inn the case of data centers it is the other way around.
 
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