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I have just remembered why did I stop replying to Lumpy on a couple of occasions in the past. This is the next occasion.

I did not bring up that claim to be corrected; I brought it up as an analogy to the tactics you chose, that of demanding an explicit statement by historians referring to the inadmissibility of miracles, which you must have known won't be forthcoming because rejecting miracle claims is an...

Miracle stories are implicitly treated as false for quite some time. There's no need for an explicit decree: it's as implicit as the rule followed by car makers which would say, if made explicit, that cars don't just float up into space so there's no need to shield them for re-entry. The proof...

Lumpy has already said that these other supernatural events are not as reliably documented as those in the Bible, and that is why he does not accept them. As for historians, they don't accept the Bible stories either, because they are evil dogmatic miracle-deniers, the lot of them.

"Bad asian stereotypes" Whatstheirname merchant race in question dressed and acted so much like my idea of the stereotypical medieval venetian that I half-expected them to refer some of the thornier issues to their doge.

See, this "something for something" mentality does not apply to an abrahamic god. We humans do it because we try to preserve the sum total of our resources, so we make exchange deals. But god could save everyone for free, no strings attached. Anyway, what could we have worth giving to an...

These are important points, yea and verily, and I see now that the reason I failed to grasp them before was that the fallout from Operation TL;DR stunned me.

1) he may of? may have? 2) JS died in 1844. The Origin of Species appeared in 1859, influencing JS. Causality has been shattered. 3) The ToE does not posit inferior or superior species.

You really think that if you don't acknowledge the existence of something then that something does not exist, don't you? You could at least have opened the wikipedia page about JS's miracles and see for yourself how solid the attestation of his miraculous healings really appear to be, including...

Lumpy, you haven't addressed my question about these early believers. Why do they matter? Do you think hordes of people went and investigated the Jesus miracles and that's why they believed? Because if they believed hearsay, then their number is completely irrelevant. Also, you don't know if...

This thread was sorely lacking in the omnipresent dick department, but no longer.

What kind of evidence do you have that the supernatural elements of Haruman's story were made up? Or the ones of Joseph Smith? That's right, none. Time to accept them as factual. Anyway, we know the Jesus miracles were made up simply because miracles don't happen. Look around you, see many...

A premise everyone must accept: in our world, there are no miracles happening, seeing how they fail to be recorded on the zillions of mobile phone cameras everone carries around. If you think differently, show one, preferably an amputated limb growing back. In before misapplied burden of proof...

Some people just want to see the world burn.

You'd do well to learn them yourself. This is a pretty weak defense when I point out you are committing logical fallacies. How about explaining to me how you know you aren't picking aspects of the Jesus myth and promoting them to the rank of proof of veracity, when pretty much everybody here...

So how do you imagine those events became widely believed? Did everyone who ended up believing them, empire-wide, were eyewitnesses? How else did they ensure they knew the truth of those claims? Did they all travel to Jerusalem and did their own investigation. What about twenty years later, did...

Sure it is, if your belief is that there are no beliefs with a certain characteristic out there, which seems to be your case.

That must have been some potent stuff. I don't know how hard should I be tripping to be able to pronounce four consecutive asterisks just like that.

The return of the Texas sharpshooter fallacy. ETA: actually, scrap that. Are you really surprised Christians preferentially copied Christian material?

Don't worry, you are.