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10 ways white people are more racist than they realize

I didn't take it as "white people are evil", but to each his own.

That being said, I did start this thread to be provocative.

Yes, you certainly did start this thread to be provocative, and yes you are singling out white people as evil. Couple this with the whole "Black people can't be racist" garbage, and you've got a complete package.

This boils down to basic tribalism. People have more empathy for those they can personally relate, and that applies to race as much as anything, especially when people like yourself keep pushing and pushing and pushing race.

If you want to actually attempt a fix at the problem, then find a way to draw empathy across racial barriers. Best way to do that is to wear down the idea that race has any meaning.

Oh, and I admitted to another way that people, including myself and not just white people, can be racist against black people. They expect that everything will be seen by black people in racial terms of victimhood, due to threads like this one.
 
I'm amazed how quickly these conversations come around to Al Sharpton, as if that is a witty or decisive point.

I've always wondered that myself. Is it some form of Godwin's Law? And Al Sharpton is always brought up by certain conservatives as if Al has any real influence over Americans. They are about the only ones who give him power. If conservatives would ignore Al he would have long ago been forgotten.
 
Jolly Penguin said:
This boils down to basic tribalism. People have more empathy for those they can personally relate, and that applies to race as much as anything, especially when people like yourself keep pushing and pushing and pushing race.

Its hard to believe that race doesn't have any meaning when you are being persecuted for your race. When this is pointed out, it offends you, and you accuse people who draw attention to this fact of 'hating whites.'

What you want is to blame others for their problems, while you do nothing. You talk about 'building empathy,' but when you react to descriptions of the abuses that african americans daily suffer with accusations that people are just trying to foment hatred of whites, I have a very difficult time thinking that you have any empathy. Your denunciation of tribalism rings totally false when you seem to be rallying to defend your tribe against criticism.
 
Why is that silly? I didn't know half of those things. To be fair, I wasn't really surprised to learn them.

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Any white person who is unaware of these ten things, hasn't been paying attention.

All 10? You seriously knew 1, 5, and 9 already? I'm just trying to get a sense of what I missed; my attention span is by no means perfect.
 
1. College professors, across race/ethnicity and gender, are more likely to respond to queries from students they believe are white males.

This is false.
Among public college professors, only Asians students were responded to less often. Hispanic males and Black males were responded to equally to white males, while white, black, and hispanic females all benefited from "reverse discrimination" (the researchers term) and got more responses than white males, plus black females got more response than white females.

Only private college profs showed gender and racial discrimination in favor of white males. Many private colleges are "Christian" and/or have an explicitly "conservative" mission, hiring based upon politics.

"Discrimination" against asians but not blacks or hispanics is incoherent with racial discrimination findings overall, indicating it is not simple race-based discrimination in itself. One possibility is that many liberal academics that favor AA policies, argue against counting Asians as under-represented and in fact it is often official policy to exclude to exclude Asians from such policies. Liberal profs may be rejecting Asians to save those slots for "real" minorities.
Another factor is that it isn't race at all but presumption of being foreign and not a US citizen. There are huge numbers of Asian students who live in Asia and are seeking to attend grad school in the US. There are so many that it has caused massive skews in the distribution of GRE scores, Quant scores of US students getting a lower percentile, and Verbal scores getting a higher percentile than they should relative to US born and educated students. Profs get emails from these foriegn students regularly, and its perfectly reasonable to assume that they ignore many of them, assuming it is a foreign student. Such students are a massive logistic hassle to bring into the country for grad school, cost more $ to fund off of grants, and their English skills are often poor.


2. White people, including white children, are less moved by the pain of people of color, including children of color, than by the pain of fellow whites.

More gross misrepresentation. The implication that this is particular to white people is false. Empathy is inherently self-referential. Empathy studies show that people of all races show more of a physiological empathic response to same race people, and even more empathy for people in their own race that have more facial similarity to themselves than those with less facial similarity. IOW, take a pic of the subject and a pic of another same race person, and use computer to morph the pics into a single face. People don't recognize it as themself, but they show more empathy to the morphed pic than the pure pic of the stranger. Also, show someone elses hands or feet being cut, and the empathy is higher when shown from a camera perspective that is similar to the angle one would look at their own hands or feet.
The main study the OP article cites for actual "empathy" was done on Italians in Milan, Italy, thus they claim it is "white people". The rest of the literature shows they would get the same results for non-white people had they bothered to include them.
Other studies given as evidence, are not really about empathy, but about presumed pain levels experienced by others with injuries. Here, people of all races (including blacks) rated the presumed pain that a black person is experiencing for an injury (like stubbed toe) to be less than a white person. The researchers argue that it is not about race itself, but about everyone's notion that people who have faced more hardship are tougher, whereas "privileged" people feel more pain from minor injury. They did follow up experiments where you can get similar results even when all the people being judged are white, but differ in terms of their portrayed SES level.
IOW, what the research actually shows is that whites and blacks alike presume that white people are generally more privileged and have easier lives, and thus are wussies.

Similar politicized misrepresentations apply to at least some of the other 8 claims in the list, and maybe all given the intellectual dishonesty of the first 2 claims. But I don't have time to dissect each one. The burden is on the OP to show the exact evidence behind each one, which includes specifying who the research subjects were, did they test for similar effects for black subjects, what exactly were the methods and data, are the white and black groups being compared equal in all other ways besides race, etc..

Racism is alive and well among all races. Unfortunately, pseudo-science is also alive and well and rules the roost when it comes to racial discrimination "research", so its almost a random crapshoot as to whether cited studies showing racism are actually examples of racism in action or imply anything about whites that isn't equally true of non-whites.
 
I didn't take it as "white people are evil", but to each his own.

That being said, I did start this thread to be provocative.

Yes, you certainly did start this thread to be provocative, and yes you are singling out white people as evil. Couple this with the whole "Black people can't be racist" garbage, and you've got a complete package.

This boils down to basic tribalism. People have more empathy for those they can personally relate, and that applies to race as much as anything, especially when people like yourself keep pushing and pushing and pushing race.

How does that explain #1? It specifically says that professors, across races and genders, give higher priority to students they think are white males. If it was tribalism, Latino professors would favor Latino students, women would favor women, etc.

If you want to actually attempt a fix at the problem, then find a way to draw empathy across racial barriers. Best way to do that is to wear down the idea that race has any meaning.

The whole point of the OP was to point out ways that race does have meaning, specifically to the people who are using it to discriminate against people with darker skin. The path to solving a problem begins with acknowledging it.

Oh, and I admitted to another way that people, including myself and not just white people, can be racist against black people. They expect that everything will be seen by black people in racial terms of victimhood, due to threads like this one.

I have no idea what this means so I guess we can leave it at that.
 
The white self loathing that goes on in this forum these days is just getting tiresome. We had an earlier thread about how "white people are kind of assholes" written by a white member. You guys need to stop hanging on every word Al Sharpton and his ilk says, and develop a little positive self esteem.

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For years I viewed Al Sharpton as an opportunist as I am not even slightly interested in his religion...but I've gotta say this after years and years of work on his part to keep people aware...the racism continues...I no longer consider him in that light. While I don't accept his religion I have to recognize him as a tireless worker for human rights, and as such, I say..."More power to you Mr. Al!" If you screw up and murder or otherwise hurt some black people...here comes Al! We may argue about how much good he does, but he is definitely on the right side and he also shows up wherever we need to be reminded of the injustices of racism in the locale where it occurs. I think this is a man with a lot of guts.

You don't have to go to the deep South to see institutionalized racism. A quick visit to the criminal justice courts in L.A. will convince you that racism is alive and totally in force in many locations throughout our society. There clearly is disproportionate meting out of punishments to black people in our courts for even the most minor offenses and this appears to be actually moving to the streets with cops murdering black people. I feel that a lot of it is directly the result of the 10 points shown in the OP here.

If the racist events would stop, the threads and perhaps some of Sharpton's visits would stop. Just think about it a bit. All we have to do is treat each other like we are human beings. That shouldn't be too hard.
 
http://www.salon.com/2015/03/04/10_ways_white_people_are_more_racist_than_they_realize_partner/

1. College professors, across race/ethnicity and gender, are more likely to respond to queries from students they believe are white males.

2. White people, including white children, are less moved by the pain of people of color, including children of color, than by the pain of fellow whites.

3. White people are more likely to have done illegal drugs than blacks or Latinos, but are far less likely to go to to jail for it.

4. Black men are sentenced to far lengthier prison sentences than white men for the same crimes.

5. White people, including police, see black children as older and less innocent than white children.

6. Black children are more likely to be tried as adults and are given harsher sentences than white children.

7. White people are more likely to support the criminal justice system, including the death penalty, when they think it’s disproportionately punitive toward black people.

8. The more “stereotypically black” a defendant looks in a murder case, the higher the likelihood he will be sentenced to death.

9. Conversely, white people falsely recall black men they perceive as being “smart” as being lighter-skinned. Here’s another incredible, though not entirely surprising study finding.

10. A number of studies find white people view lighter-skinned African Americans (and Latinos) as more intelligent, competent, trustworthy and reliable than their darker-skinned peers.

Racism is comfortable and easy; it helps us make quick, baseless decisions without the taxing act of thinking. The next time you catch yourself having a racist thought or feeling, try not brushing it off. Ask yourself where it came from, what it means and how you can unpack it. Because if the evidence above suggests anything, it’s that critical self-examination is our only hope of moving the needle at all on this thing. Stop imagining that being racist is something that only other people do, and start looking closely at your own beliefs.

Especially the ones you’ve never admitted to yourselves that you hold.

That's a very nice example of a Gish Gallop.
 
http://www.salon.com/2015/03/04/10_ways_white_people_are_more_racist_than_they_realize_partner/



Racism is comfortable and easy; it helps us make quick, baseless decisions without the taxing act of thinking. The next time you catch yourself having a racist thought or feeling, try not brushing it off. Ask yourself where it came from, what it means and how you can unpack it. Because if the evidence above suggests anything, it’s that critical self-examination is our only hope of moving the needle at all on this thing. Stop imagining that being racist is something that only other people do, and start looking closely at your own beliefs.

Especially the ones you’ve never admitted to yourselves that you hold.

That's a very nice example of a Gish Gallop.

You seem to have plenty of time...pick one or all of them and let's hear your rebuttals. If all are true even to varying degrees, they all need to be considered. What you are trying to do is to shut down discussion of racism. Why do you want to do that? There we have it Jason, just ONE QUESTION!
 
I think that the problem with Sharpton and Jesse Jackson is that they have economic vested interests in making legitimate problems worse than they really are and also taking on marginal causes and making them seem totally justified.Don't give me the non-profit excuse. Before can make a lot of money for themselves and friends heading non-profits.

Remember the Decatur Illinois issue Jackson got involved with, but once the video of the gym riot got he looked foolish?
 
Is it not accurate?

Why is it getting old?

It fucking old because I've heard this shit since I first went to college in 1990 and its always the same, "white people are evil bullshit". I do a lot of work for Habitat of Humanity. We basically find a block in a very bad neighborhood and make it a good block. Usually, all new houses. You know always benefits? Black people, but that is not the aim of the group. We are just trying to help the less fortunate. There is a big meeting once a month of the various leaders who pull this off. I'm always wondering, where are the black leaders? Never fucking fixing the problem, but ALWAYS bitching about racism and trying to get media attention.
Black leaders, like the white leaders, do not care about the poor. They are career politicians and only care about the poor in order to get re-elected. Once in office with their salary secured the poor are quickly forgotten until next election.
 
It fucking old because I've heard this shit since I first went to college in 1990 and its always the same, "white people are evil bullshit". I do a lot of work for Habitat of Humanity. We basically find a block in a very bad neighborhood and make it a good block. Usually, all new houses. You know always benefits? Black people, but that is not the aim of the group. We are just trying to help the less fortunate. There is a big meeting once a month of the various leaders who pull this off. I'm always wondering, where are the black leaders? Never fucking fixing the problem, but ALWAYS bitching about racism and trying to get media attention.
Black leaders, like the white leaders, do not care about the poor. They are career politicians and only care about the poor in order to get re-elected. Once in office with their salary secured the poor are quickly forgotten until next election.

I don't think this accurately characterizes non-elected black leaders like Jessie Jackson. They can and probably do sincerely care about the poor and the plight of the black community, while at the same time skewing their efforts towards self-promotion and self-aggrandizement. Jackson was suspected of self-promotion even by Martin Luther King and his closest aids. Such self-centered efforts would somewhat corrupt their rhetoric and bias them toward framing everything as direct and deliberate racism of the sort that is more theoretically "fixable" by policy actions rather than sources of problems where no current living person or policy is immediately at fault, such as socio-cultural problems within the black community stemming from historical slavery, where the people and policies responsible are long since dead.
 
It fucking old because I've heard this shit since I first went to college in 1990 and its always the same, "white people are evil bullshit". I do a lot of work for Habitat of Humanity. We basically find a block in a very bad neighborhood and make it a good block. Usually, all new houses. You know always benefits? Black people, but that is not the aim of the group. We are just trying to help the less fortunate. There is a big meeting once a month of the various leaders who pull this off. I'm always wondering, where are the black leaders? Never fucking fixing the problem, but ALWAYS bitching about racism and trying to get media attention.
Black leaders, like the white leaders, do not care about the poor. They are career politicians and only care about the poor in order to get re-elected. Once in office with their salary secured the poor are quickly forgotten until next election.

You are confusing leaders with a small subset called politicians.
 
You know who I like? The Jews. They have been persecuted forever all around the world. I've never heard one whine about their plight; they just work twice as hard. And all the Jews I've met in real life have been very enjoyable to be around. That is an example of a culture that is NOT self-destructive.
 
You know who I like? The Jews. They have been persecuted forever all around the world. I've never heard one whine about their plight

wat

Yeah, they will talk about the holocaust and their history, but they don't whine about it -- at least the ones I've met. I've had plenty of Jewish friends and they always tried much harder to achieve success. When they became successful they were very humble about it.
 
For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews' spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings.

Romans 15:27.

Good Goy
 
Also, you do know that the Jews invented "kvetching" right?
 
Societies vary, and it seems to me that the American is hugely racist, too racist even to begin to realise it. They are always on about this nonsensical concept. As we all know, there is only one human race nowadays.
 
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