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10 ways white people are more racist than they realize

Another false one on the list: #4.

Race isn't the issue, socioeconomic status is. The poor fare much worse than the rich in our legal system.

As for #3:

The disproportionate arrest rate for blacks for drug offenses is once again a socioeconomic issue, not a race issue. Street dealers are a far easier target for the cops than middle class drug deals conducted behind closed doors. Of course the cops go after street dealers more--and street dealers are disproportionately black.


(You see the same thing minus the racial component with local prostitution arrests. The cops bust streetwalkers but the outcall places are normally left alone--to the extent that at times they have rented billboards and during tourist hours you'll usually find a truck ad driving up and down the strip. I've even seen two at one time once.)
 
From Holloway's article:
1. College professors, across race/ethnicity and gender, are more likely to respond to queries from students they believe are white males. Despite universities frequently being described as bastions of progressivism and liberal indoctrination centers, a recent study found that faculty of colleges and universities are more likely to ignore requests for mentorship from minority and/or female students. Researchers sent more than 6,500 professors at 259 schools in 89 disciplines identical letters that differed only in the name and implied race/gender of the fictitious student sender (e.g., “Mei Chen” as an Asian female; “Keisha Thomas” as a black female; “Brad Anderson” as a white male). The study found that regardless of discipline (with the sole exception of fine arts), faculty more consistently responded to perceived white males. Two notable additional findings: 1) professors at public institutions were significantly more likely than their private institution counterparts to respond to students of color, and 2) the students most discriminated against were perceived East Asian women, followed by South Asian men. You can look at the numbers up close here.

The conclusion that Holloway aims to prove is that white people are more racist than they realize. However, the study linked above does not examine discrimination in white faculty members; it examines faculty members from at least five different races. The study showed that faculty favoured white male students, but it did not show that white faculty members were disproportionately responsible.

The abstract of the referenced study states:
Counterintuitively, the representation of women and minorities and discrimination were uncorrelated, a finding that suggests greater representation cannot be assumed to reduce discrimination.
Increasing the number of women and minorities in a universities faculty does not reduce the favouritism towards white male students.

This does not support Holloway's conclusion, where she singles out whites as responsible for tokenisation of blacks:
The implications of these findings are hugely significant, and lend credence to the often expressed feeling of tokenization by black people who are deemed smart, successful or intelligent by whites. That is, the feeling that white people perceive certain African Americans as exceptional or “not like the others.” It also adds an important layer to the conversation around colorism, which privileges light skin above darker skin both within and outside of communities of color. (And has helped skin lightening products become a booming global industry in places like India, the Philippines and some parts of Africa.)
The study instead suggests that faculty members, regardless of sex or race, may be favouring white, male students, and that Asian female students suffer the worst discrimination of any group.

I haven't yet had a chance to examine the rest of Holloway's list, but I would not be surprised if it turns out to be a Gish Gallop.
 
Saw it this morning.

Tons of cars going 10+ mph over the speed limit on US1. Who got pulled? Black guy in a Nissan Z.

Who is most likely to be driving aggressively (tailgating, frequent full throttle accellerations, hard lane changes) and speeding excessively around here?
1. Rednecks in large customized pickup trucks, often with big turbo diesel engines and loud aftermarket exhaust.
2. White dudes in power ties driving 911s and BMW or Mercedes of 5 series or higher.
3. Soccer moms from the gated communities driving SUVs.

Who gets pulled most often by the cops? Young people driving shitboxes and minorities in whatever. I think the cops are pulling the people they think are most likely to be carrying drugs, those that they percieves as trouble makers, and those that they know will not show up in court with a lawyer. I think that race is one of several prejudices operating.
 
asian female students, really? Way to burry the lead OP. I rarely speak for "my people" but why does discrimination against Asians never get mentioned on here?
 
We criticize white people, because white people are obviously the problem in this country. There is no place in america where white people are or have been oppressed by non white people to any meaningful extent. To criticise people who have been oppressed for being angry and hostile towards their oppressors might technically be correct: anger and hostility is not necessarily the best strategy, but to react with this hyperbolic defensiveness is suspect. People are allowed to be angry at people who have wronged them. It is a fact that there are many people, white people generally, in this country who regularly wrong people of differing ethnic groups. It is also a fact that the remainder of white people have been, for a variety of reasons, unlikely to act appropriately against those who are abusive. I hope that this is changing.

To draw these hyperbolic comparisons, like saying criticism of white people in the USA is equivalent to hate, that the anger that blacks and others feel due to their persecution is equivalent to the persecution, is absolutely and obviously an attempt to stifle criticism, to create a false persecution narrative, to excuse your own inaction in the face of injustice. It's transparent projection, and it is pathetic.

The world over, oppression takes a similar pattern: A group is oppressed, and when they lash out in anger, this is treated as an excuse to redouble the oppression. It is a pattern that is tedious in its ubiquity. It is that very tedium that renders it invisible to people who don't feel like caring.
 
I would be most interested in talking about discrimination against asians. This country has long been disgraced by it. I am not, however interested in talking about it such a conversation were to be used as a distraction. The tactic of dividing different oppressed groups against each other is common among colonial powers, and has certainly been used here in the USA.
 
The OP article is poorly titled and sensationalist, but the studies themselves are worth the read.

Due to Salon's choice of how to frame this issue, people are getting riled up about being called racist. That's not what I got from actually looking at the studies referenced in the article.

Instead, what I took away from them is that, as Louis CK once joked, I'm incredibly lucky to be a white male. Notice that I can acknowledge that advantage without saying white people, and only white people, are racist. As a mature adult, I can recognize a disparity without automatically interpreting it as an indictment of a person or group, even if that's what Salon wants me to think.
 
Saw it this morning.

Tons of cars going 10+ mph over the speed limit on US1. Who got pulled? Black guy in a Nissan Z.

Who is most likely to be driving aggressively (tailgating, frequent full throttle accellerations, hard lane changes) and speeding excessively around here?
1. Rednecks in large customized pickup trucks, often with big turbo diesel engines and loud aftermarket exhaust.
2. White dudes in power ties driving 911s and BMW or Mercedes of 5 series or higher.
3. Soccer moms from the gated communities driving SUVs.

Who gets pulled most often by the cops? Young people driving shitboxes and minorities in whatever. I think the cops are pulling the people they think are most likely to be carrying drugs, those that they percieves as trouble makers, and those that they know will not show up in court with a lawyer. I think that race is one of several prejudices operating.

I will agree with that, especially your number one.
 
Nice Squirrel said:
Who read the article?

I did, but much more important, I read some the actual research that your cited article dishonestly misrepresents for political purposes. Most points on the list are either false, half-truths, or when true do not show evidence of modern racism, but rather show the things like the greater criminality among blacks which by using other research can be inferred to have some roots in SES and cultural differences tied to generations of slavery and historical racism.

Like I said, I posted this for provocation. It has delivered.

It hasn't provoked much reasoned analysis on your part or on the part of anyone taking the list seriously as evidence of modern racism. It just provoked blind acceptance of anything remotely smelling like "evidence" for preconceived notions. That isn't something this board or the world needs any more of.



The OP article is poorly titled and sensationalist, but the studies themselves are worth the read.

Due to Salon's choice of how to frame this issue, people are getting riled up about being called racist. That's not what I got from actually looking at the studies referenced in the article.

Me neither, since most of the studies either don't show any evidence of racism or don't show that racism is any more prevalent among whites, especially those used to make the less common claims on the list. The article isn't actually poorly titled, because the content of the article is as false and full of misinformation as the title. As this thread shows, the article effectively serves it purpose of getting many people to blindly believe the claims and interpretations, despite lack of support from the research used to lend a false air of scientific credibility to what is really an ideological stance.

Instead, what I took away from them is that, as Louis CK once joked, I'm incredibly lucky to be a white male. Notice that I can acknowledge that advantage without saying white people, and only white people, are racist. As a mature adult, I can recognize a disparity without automatically interpreting it as an indictment of a person or group, even if that's what Salon wants me to think.

I appreciate that some of the studies/stats, even when not largely attributable to modern racism (crime stats), are still likely related to disadvantages for being black, such as being born into low SES that motives one to commit crimes than land one in prison. But these points are already well known, and many of the presented studies don't actually give any of the evidence needed to show that the "disadvantage" goes beyond being more likely to commit crimes that land one in prison. Also, it is actually liberal activists focused on racism that are the ones most likely to ignore such crime stats because they show self-inflicted harm more than they show modern racism, and pointing to historical racism as root causes doesn't serve the activists need to create a current living and breathing racist enemy against which they can act.

Also, the more novel of the studies do not show an advantage for being white. The first point is false. Among public college professors, Black females were treated the best, followed by Hispanic and White females, then black, Hispanic, and white males were all treated equally, with Asians being given the fewest responses. The pattern is inconsistent with typical white-racism, thus Asians being at the bottom is more likely due to either assumptions that the student is a foreign non-citizen, or to liberal academics seeking to favor blacks and Hispanics over Asians, who they see as already over-represented in college and generally doing well on their own.

The second point on the list is misleading and also does not show an overall advantage for being white, because competent research that doens't focus just on whites shows that each race gets advantaged by their own. Also, one set of studies showed that whites are assumed to experience more subjective pain from an injury, because they are assumed to be weak and soft due to their privileged life. That empathy research does not show that its good to be "white", but at most shows that its good to be in a racial majority and good that most other people around you are not non-white, because then the advantage would flip toward whatever group was the majority.

Even though a general notion of "its better to be white in current US society" is valid, this OP list does little to make a good case for it, and does more to spread false ideas and misinformation about the related research and what it shows. It matters that people are being misinformed that white males seeking grad school get special privilege over all others, even by presumed liberal academics.
 
Who gets pulled most often by the cops? Young people driving shitboxes and minorities in whatever. I think the cops are pulling the people they think are most likely to be carrying drugs, those that they percieves as trouble makers, and those that they know will not show up in court with a lawyer. I think that race is one of several prejudices operating.

I think this is the real answer--and if you don't exclude this there's no way to show it's racism.
 
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