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Well she is a nasty woman. So why is that a "losing moment"? Because he acknowledged that she is a female?
Had Hillary called Trump a "nasty man" nobody would have bet an eye, so why is "nasty woman" unacceptable?

I disagree with you about no one batting an eye if Clinton called Trump a "nasty man". I think every sexist, misogynist, and Clinton hater in America would jump all over her for appearing weak when faced with a strong, confident man. She would have had her ass handed to her after the Red Staters and Blue Dogs got tired of chewing it. I think they'd all be saying if she can't maintain a professional demeanor when confronted by a man like Trump, and instead resorts to whiny bitchy name calling about how "nasty" he is, how in the heck can she lead this Great Nation of Ours and Make America Great Again (Not That It Ever Wasn't Great)?

If there's a double standard at play here, Trump is the beneficiary. He'll get off easy because no one expects him to be statesman-like.

Exactly.


Hillary came out in full support of the idea of anchor babies. She doesn't think any illegals who procreate in the US should be deportable. :(

I'm sure given the high birth rates in the USA, some do play the system. However, the US and most Western countries don't like to deport the parents and leave the children even with relatives.

Then they shouldn't. They should deport the children along with the parents. There is no shame in a citizen of the US being raised as an ex-pat. When they become adults, the citizens can certainly move back if they want.
 
How about closing down the COMPANIES that are bringing people over for cheap, below minimum wage labor and then treating them like indentured servants, constantly threatening to deport them if they complain.
And yet I have been told that "anchor babies", the idea that children of illegals help those illegals stay in the US was right wing propaganda. I guess it was not.
And of course the children could go back to Mexico (or Guatemala etc.) with the deported parents. Why not?

That said, I disagree with the whole idea of birthright citizenship for babies of illegals. I think that interpretation of the 14th amendment is faulty and should be changed.


So "dry feet" policy for everybody? Once they enter the US they should automatically be amnestied?
We need to make being illegal more difficult, not easier. Giving them automatic and immediate amnesty is only going to encourage more illegals to come.
What is needed is to discourage them. No driver's licenses. No in-state tuition (in fact illegals should not be allowed to attend state schools at all!) No loans for illegals like California is doing. No ability to work by expanding the e-Verify system. Stiff penalties for knowingly hiring illegals. Etc. That would discourage illegals to come and also cause some of the illegals already here to self-deport.

The solution is to make illegal entry harder. The Wall is not a bad idea but this should also be followed through by closing down the tunnels that will most likely sprout through underneath the wall structures.
Whether this is right wing propaganda or not, having a baby while in the USA is a good way to play the system. Many countries don't give a right of citizenship if you are born there, such as most Arab countries and China. Both have very strict policies on migrants as a whole.

I do believe that amnesties or rumors of will discourage some illegals. I'm sure however that with no driver's licences allowed a few will be buying renewed ones where the original owner is deceased. I think many would survive without these. The Jews for instance often faced isolation but it didn't stop them from getting an education (Jewish Schools) or banking and doing what others do. Keeping control of the borders is the best solution.
 
I disagree with you about no one batting an eye if Clinton called Trump a "nasty man". I think every sexist, misogynist, and Clinton hater in America would jump all over her for appearing weak when faced with a strong, confident man. She would have had her ass handed to her after the Red Staters and Blue Dogs got tired of chewing it. I think they'd all be saying if she can't maintain a professional demeanor when confronted by a man like Trump, and instead resorts to whiny bitchy name calling about how "nasty" he is, how in the heck can she lead this Great Nation of Ours and Make America Great Again (Not That It Ever Wasn't Great)?

If there's a double standard at play here, Trump is the beneficiary. He'll get off easy because no one expects him to be statesman-like.

Exactly.


Hillary came out in full support of the idea of anchor babies. She doesn't think any illegals who procreate in the US should be deportable. :(

I'm sure given the high birth rates in the USA, some do play the system. However, the US and most Western countries don't like to deport the parents and leave the children even with relatives.

Then they shouldn't. They should deport the children along with the parents. There is no shame in a citizen of the US being raised as an ex-pat. When they become adults, the citizens can certainly move back if they want.

So we can deport American citizens now?
 
Refried bullshit all the way, on both sides. Trump's appearance benefited from Wallace stopping him every time he started gravitating toward his natural state of blathering incoherence - I was hoping he'd be given a bit more rope with which to hang himself (not that it was needed - just wishing for entertainmnt's sake). Nothing happened that is going to change either the electoral or popular vote.
*yawn*
 
How about closing down the COMPANIES that are bringing people over for cheap, below minimum wage labor and then treating them like indentured servants, constantly threatening to deport them if they complain.
The solution is to make illegal entry harder. The Wall is not a bad idea but this should also be followed through by closing down the tunnels that will most likely sprout through underneath the wall structures.
Whether this is right wing propaganda or not, having a baby while in the USA is a good way to play the system. Many countries don't give a right of citizenship if you are born there, such as most Arab countries and China. Both have very strict policies on migrants as a whole.

I do believe that amnesties or rumors of will discourage some illegals. I'm sure however that with no driver's licences allowed a few will be buying renewed ones where the original owner is deceased. I think many would survive without these. The Jews for instance often faced isolation but it didn't stop them from getting an education (Jewish Schools) or banking and doing what others do. Keeping control of the borders is the best solution.

This there is clearly a fault in the way the US is dealing with exploitation. One idea to pass around is to grant an illegal in such a position a right to stay and apply for citizenship if he blows the whistle on such activities. There are some pro's and cons for this.
Then this in either the US legal system, enforcing of its laws (e.g. against employing illegal labour). An interesting point is whether granting a right to stay in the US for whistle blowers who report this sort of thing.

Laws should exist to heavily fine and even close down such companies which effectively hire cheap labour from abroad at the expense of hiring citizens in the US.
 
An interesting point is whether granting a right to stay in the US for whistle blowers who report this sort of thing

That's not a point, it's an incomplete question. (I'll assume grammatical error)
But you speak as if the US has unlimited resources with which to litigate "soft" questions like that. In reality, settling those kinds of things typically takes YEARS per case, and is therefore not a practical approach to a societal matter that could constitute hundreds of thousands or millions of individual cases.
 
...So why did Jehovah God not strike Trump down in mid-sentence, leaving some sort of charred barbecue bone on the stage in Vegas? Seriously, why? Oh, right.
 
Exactly.


Hillary came out in full support of the idea of anchor babies. She doesn't think any illegals who procreate in the US should be deportable. :(

I'm sure given the high birth rates in the USA, some do play the system. However, the US and most Western countries don't like to deport the parents and leave the children even with relatives.

Then they shouldn't. They should deport the children along with the parents. There is no shame in a citizen of the US being raised as an ex-pat. When they become adults, the citizens can certainly move back if they want.

So we can deport American citizens now?

The US could deport all children of illegal immigrants and extending it to descendants of such leaving just the American Indians.
 
"Will you accept the results of the election?"

Trump: "We'll see."


That's got to be a first.
 
An interesting point is whether granting a right to stay in the US for whistle blowers who report this sort of thing

That's not a point, it's an incomplete question. (I'll assume grammatical error)
But you speak as if the US has unlimited resources with which to litigate "soft" questions like that. In reality, settling those kinds of things typically takes YEARS per case, and is therefore not a practical approach to a societal matter that could constitute hundreds of thousands or millions of individual cases.

It's an incomplete sentence. Such cases should not be lengthy if the crime focuses on whether the employees were legally or unlawfully employed. The available documents would be enough to determine the case outcome.

However closing down all such companies is a problem as you say due to resources.
 
"Will you accept the results of the election?"

Trump: "We'll see."


That's got to be a first.

A smarter man than him could have gotten the same message across with sensible reasons and details. Things likevoting machine audits in contested states, audits where exit polls varied greatly from results. Could have talked about Al Gore in 2000.

But no, it is about his narcissism and entitlement and not knowledge of the election process.
 
I'm sorry but anyone that thought the juvenile, incoherent Trump won that debate is delusional. I don't think he has a chance of winning the election, but it's frightening to think that such a large part of the country sees this man as a capable leader when the evidence strongly supports that he is a failure many times over. Besides that, he's a racist, a sexist and a person that knows very little about how government works.

Yep.
 
...So why did Jehovah God not strike Trump down in mid-sentence, leaving some sort of charred barbecue bone on the stage in Vegas? Seriously, why? Oh, right.

I take Antonin Scalia's untimely death as a sign to the Republicans. :tombstone:
 
How about closing down the COMPANIES that are bringing people over for cheap, below minimum wage labor and then treating them like indentured servants, constantly threatening to deport them if they complain.

Here in AZ, we have not one but two "employer sanctions" laws on the books. One was included in the infamous "papers please" SB1070.

Wanna take a guess at how many employers have been sanctioned? (hint: it is very close to zero)

This is the problem with Trump's "wall" and plan to deport all the illegal immigrants. If pigs became suddenly aerodynamic and he were to win the election, the moment he tried to implement his plan of ethnic cleansing the White House phone would ring and the receptionist would say "President Trump? The Chamber of Commerce is on the line, and they'd like to have a word with you."
 
That's not a point, it's an incomplete question. (I'll assume grammatical error)
But you speak as if the US has unlimited resources with which to litigate "soft" questions like that. In reality, settling those kinds of things typically takes YEARS per case, and is therefore not a practical approach to a societal matter that could constitute hundreds of thousands or millions of individual cases.

It's an incomplete sentence. Such cases should not be lengthy if the crime focuses on whether the employees were legally or unlawfully employed. The available documents would be enough to determine the case outcome.

I think you're dreaming... a company like one of Trump's construction concerns could (most likely would) contest every finding that went against them (even as Trump contests everything that goes against him, from the judge hearing his fraud case to the Emmy Award selection committee to the US election outcome...), resulting in exorbitant costs and protracted court cases.

However closing down all such companies is a problem as you say due to resources.

Yeah, that, assuming that a case has already been determined.
 
The Fox News debate was rigged for Clinton.

@realDonaldTrump
Why didn't Hillary Clinton announce that she was inappropriately given the debate questions - she secretly used them! Crooked Hillary.
7:55 AM - 20 Oct 2016

 
The Fox News debate was rigged for Clinton.

@realDonaldTrump
Why didn't Hillary Clinton announce that she was inappropriately given the debate questions - she secretly used them! Crooked Hillary.
7:55 AM - 20 Oct 2016


Of course it was rigged - he lost. That tweet was probably written days ago, and set to release right after the debate.
 
How about closing down the COMPANIES that are bringing people over for cheap, below minimum wage labor and then treating them like indentured servants, constantly threatening to deport them if they complain.

Here in AZ, we have not one but two "employer sanctions" laws on the books. One was included in the infamous "papers please" SB1070.

Wanna take a guess at how many employers have been sanctioned? (hint: it is very close to zero)

This is the problem with Trump's "wall" and plan to deport all the illegal immigrants. If pigs became suddenly aerodynamic and he were to win the election, the moment he tried to implement his plan of ethnic cleansing the White House phone would ring and the receptionist would say "President Trump? The Chamber of Commerce is on the line, and they'd like to have a word with you."

More like the Star Chamber of Commerce, referring too the old Michael Douglas thriller.

Didn't Kennedy talk about the Federal Reserve shortly before he was assassinated?
 
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