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52 Palestinian protesters killed at border

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/u-s-embassy-gaza-protests-and-nakba-day-live-updates-1.6078190

Well, when you don't have any valid counterarguments to offer, the best thing to do is to abandon free speech and start killing protesters.

You mean, when you don't have any valid arguments to offer, urge people to try to storm the border?

These are not protesters. They are violent combatants.
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I read that 20+ had been killed and I was wondering what in the world they were doing that'd justify opening fire on them, I mean short of opening fire themselves. I'll wait for the usual suspects to let me know.
 
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/u-s-embassy-gaza-protests-and-nakba-day-live-updates-1.6078190

Well, when you don't have any valid counterarguments to offer, the best thing to do is to abandon free speech and start killing protesters.
If the "protesters" want to make their point by committing suicide, that's their choice. There is a very easy way to stay alive: don't approach the border fence and protest at a safe distance.
But, wouldn't they be on their side of the border fence? Can my neighbor shoot me for walking towards his yard, but staying on my property?
 
I read that 20+ had been killed and I was wondering what in the world they were doing that'd justify opening fire on them, I mean short of opening fire themselves. I'll wait for the usual suspects to let me know.

In general, they are trying to invade Israel and "erase" the border. The Hamas chief said it himself.
Hamas head Sinwar says Gaza protests will continue until border is erased
This a map showing locations of Israeli towns close to border with Gaza that Gazans are hoping to attack after breaching the border.


Whether you like it or not, IDF has a duty to protect Israelis. Even if it means dead Palestinian attackers. You should be blaming Hamas for inciting them to attack the border, not Israel for defending it.
 
But, wouldn't they be on their side of the border fence? Can my neighbor shoot me for walking towards his yard, but staying on my property?
If you claim that your neighbor's property really belongs to you and you want to "return" there, if you are in the habit of shooting rockets at your neighbor and dig tunnels toward your neighbor's yard, if you send kites flying to set your neighbor's lawn on fire, I think he'd be a foolhardy idiot not to shoot you.
 
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German Neonazis protesting in favor of "Palestine" and against Israel.
The phrase "Der Staat Israel ist unser Unglück" (the state of Israel is our misfortune) comes from "Die Juden sind unser Unglück" (the Jews are our misfortune), which was the slogan of the OG Nazi paper Der Stürmer:
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And one of the guys in the first photo has a t-shirt saying "HKN KRZ" which is "Hakenkreuz" (Swastika) with vowels filled in.

So what started with bromance between Haj Amin al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and Adolf Hitler continues to this day.
 
I read that 20+ had been killed and I was wondering what in the world they were doing that'd justify opening fire on them, I mean short of opening fire themselves. I'll wait for the usual suspects to let me know.

In general, they are trying to invade Israel and "erase" the border. The Hamas chief said it himself.
Hamas head Sinwar says Gaza protests will continue until border is erased
This a map showing locations of Israeli towns close to border with Gaza that Gazans are hoping to attack after breaching the border.


Whether you like it or not, IDF has a duty to protect Israelis. Even if it means dead Palestinian attackers. You should be blaming Hamas for inciting them to attack the border, not Israel for defending it.
If the protesters were on Israeli soil, you'd have a point. If these protesters did indeed pose a threat from their side of the border, you'd have a point. Unfortunately, you have produced no real evidence that all of those killed met either one of those two criteria.
 
If the protesters were on Israeli soil, you'd have a point. If these protesters did indeed pose a threat from their side of the border, you'd have a point. Unfortunately, you have produced no real evidence that all of those killed met either one of those two criteria.
I do not even know the identity of the killed, so how do you suggest I get that "proof"? As if I had the burden of proof to prove that each of the dead was a ad guy. It is enough to prove that these riots in general are violent and a threat to security of Israel. Which I did.
 
I do not even know the identity of the killed, so how do you suggest I get that "proof"? As if I had the burden of proof to prove that each of the dead was a ad guy. It is enough to prove that these riots in general are violent and a threat to security of Israel. Which I did.
First, you did not. Second, you made unsubstantiated claims of fact. It is up to you to substantiate them - which you did not. You have no clue whether all or some of the dead where actually violent protesters who posed a threat to the security of Israel.
 
Ya, even the "scary brown people" photos don't really show a group that's a threat worth firing into a crowd or anything. Did the Israeli border guards try politely ignoring them before gunning them down?
 
Ya, even the "scary brown people" photos don't really show a group that's a threat worth firing into a crowd or anything.
Oh please. Most Palestinians aren't even very brown. Some are even ginger or blonde. I thought you were better than that.
Did the Israeli border guards try politely ignoring them before gunning them down?
If they hadn't, there'd be a lot more dead.
 
First, you did not. Second, you made unsubstantiated claims of fact. It is up to you to substantiate them - which you did not. You have no clue whether all or some of the dead where actually violent protesters who posed a threat to the security of Israel.
I have substantiated that the supposedly "peaceful protests" are violent riots and that "unarmed protesters" are actually armed. Even the photos shot by their fellow Gazans show them armed and engaging in violence.

Now do you have any evidence that Israel is doing anything wrong whatsoever?

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Or nobody dead. It would be one or the other.
If they actually protested peacefully, I am sure there would not be any dead or wounded. The Palestinians kind of did it to themselves by being violent fucks.
 
If they actually protested peacefully, I am sure there would not be any dead or wounded. The Palestinians kind of did it to themselves by being violent fucks.

Well, none of them crossed the fence and zero Israel troops came under fire, so if the Israelis were as harmless as the Palestinians were being, there would also not be any dead or wounded. It is actually possible to have some kind of interim step between "curl up into a ball and die" and "fire into a crowd of people". Israel might want to look into some of those.
 
Well, none of them crossed the fence
Perhaps not today, due to diligent defense by IDF and increased troop numbers at the border. But there have been numerous border incursions in recent weeks. And Hamas stated directly that they intend to breach the border in large numbers.
Hamas Gaza leader hints at mass breach of Israel border fence as he compares Palestinians to 'starving tiger'
More obese than starving though, according to data.

and zero Israel troops came under fire,
Actually, there have been instances of Palestinians firing on IDF soldiers during the Great March riots. Luckily, none hit their targets.

so if the Israelis were as harmless as the Palestinians were being, there would also not be any dead or wounded. It is actually possible to have some kind of interim step between "curl up into a ball and die" and "fire into a crowd of people". Israel might want to look into some of those.
War is not supposed to be sporting. If IDF were to back off, there'd be successful border incursions which would result in dead Israelis. IDF also bombed a Hamas tunnel under Erez. Were they supposed to let them complete that too?
 
If they actually protested peacefully, I am sure there would not be any dead or wounded. The Palestinians kind of did it to themselves by being violent fucks.

Well, none of them crossed the fence and zero Israel troops came under fire, so if the Israelis were as harmless as the Palestinians were being, there would also not be any dead or wounded. It is actually possible to have some kind of interim step between "curl up into a ball and die" and "fire into a crowd of people". Israel might want to look into some of those.

They did. Israel also used tear gas, as well as fliers warning people to stay away. And if Israel was as "harmless" as Palestinians, does it mean IDF should have sent kites with fire bombs over Gaza, or used slingshots instead of rifles?
 
rubber bullets are not effective at that distance so they had to use lead
 
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/u-s-embassy-gaza-protests-and-nakba-day-live-updates-1.6078190

Well, when you don't have any valid counterarguments to offer, the best thing to do is to abandon free speech and start killing protesters.

You mean, when you don't have any valid arguments to offer, urge people to try to storm the border?

These are not protesters. They are violent combatants.
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When even your own pictures are showing these "enemy combatants" with literal slingshots and what can only be described as a kite-turd bomb, it's hard to take you seriously.
 
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