Abolishing the Death Penalty?

[laughing dog]

How about a two-strikes approach? You can only actually get the death penalty if two separate juries vote for it for separate crimes.

So, if a criminal under that system commits only one death-worthy crime, they're now one miscarriage of justice away from an unjust death.

That's where we all are, now, but with extra steps. You've just doubled the costs of having a trial that could carry the death penalty.

The point is the chance of two miscarriages of justice are quite remote.

How remote is sufficient in the case of a death sentence? And why would one think that a second jury would hear a case with different evidence?

 

[Trausti]

The point is the chance of two miscarriages of justice are quite remote.

How remote is sufficient in the case of a death sentence? And why would one think that a second jury would hear a case with different evidence?

Separate crimes.

 

[Wiploc]

The point is the chance of two miscarriages of justice are quite remote.

Ha!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The point is the chance of two miscarriages of justice are quite remote.

How remote is sufficient in the case of a death sentence? And why would one think that a second jury would hear a case with different evidence?

Separate crimes.

I'm glad to see someone got it at least.

 

[Wiploc]

Separate crimes.

I'm glad to see someone got it at least.

I got it.

I still think that every trial is a coin flip, and that courtroom injustice is routine, but I do understand your suggestion that capital punishment be reserved for people who have been convicted of two separate capital crimes.

 

[Coleman Smith]

Separate crimes.

I'm glad to see someone got it at least.

I got it.

I still think that every trial is a coin flip, and that courtroom injustice is routine, but I do understand your suggestion that capital punishment be reserved for people who have been convicted of two separate capital crimes.

If the suspect get's an LWOP for the first offense there should not be a second murder outside the prison walls.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I got it.

I still think that every trial is a coin flip, and that courtroom injustice is routine, but I do understand your suggestion that capital punishment be reserved for people who have been convicted of two separate capital crimes.

If the suspect get's an LWOP for the first offense there should not be a second murder outside the prison walls.

1) Escapes happen.

2) The second offense could have occurred before they were captured for the first.

 

[Coleman Smith]

I stand by the belief that if we continue to authorize the government to kill people innocent people will be killed and they should not be considered just collateral damage.

 

[Keith&Co.]

I stand by the belief that if we continue to authorize the government to kill people innocent people will be killed and they should not be considered just collateral damage.

Right now, people actually holding office consider a few hundred thousand dead the cost of having a robust economy (as long as thrry're the corrdct 100K). They will stand by the belief that a few innocents should be willing to die so we can kill as many of the survivors as the courts can process.

 

[Coleman Smith]

I stand by the belief that if we continue to authorize the government to kill people innocent people will be killed and they should not be considered just collateral damage.

Right now, people actually holding office consider a few hundred thousand dead the cost of having a robust economy (as long as thrry're the corrdct 100K). They will stand by the belief that a few innocents should be willing to die so we can kill as many of the survivors as the courts can process.

....and we have a president who believes it OK to grab women by the pussy with out their consent and brags about being a sexual predator.

 

[Keith&Co.]

I stand by the belief that if we continue to authorize the government to kill people innocent people will be killed and they should not be considered just collateral damage.

Right now, people actually holding office consider a few hundred thousand dead the cost of having a robust economy (as long as thrry're the corrdct 100K). They will stand by the belief that a few innocents should be willing to die so we can kill as many of the survivors as the courts can process.

....and we have a president who believes it OK to grab women by the pussy with out their consent and brags about being a sexual predator.

THAT one we can fix by an election. Fixing the others requires more of a deep dive.

 

[WAB]

I am dead set against the death penalty, but I'm even more against the kind of shit that is allowed to go on in prisons, and even county jails.

For a person like me, life in prison would be a far more cruel punishment than death.

 

[Toni]

I'm very much against the death penalty. Even if we know for certain, 100% that the accused is actually guilty of say, murder, I think it is still wrong to kill someone. After all, Isn't that why we arrested, tried and convicted them?

If it is illegal for private citizens to murder, then it should be illegal for the state to murder as well. I don't see it as justifiable homicide--self defense. After all, the state has the person in custody.

I also believe that prisons should be humane, provide decent shelter, food, medical care including mental health and addiction, access to education and job training, etc. Rape should not be part of the sentence.