Adam Toledo video released

[Derec]

Can't say for Somalis, but all the Afghans and Pakistanis I've interacted with blend in just fine.

Then you are lucky. t is certainly not true for Afghans and Pakistanis in general.


As far as Atlanta area, there is a Pakistani Shia psychiatrist around here who is a big supporter of the Ayatollah Khomeini for example. Education does not always cure Islamic fundamentalism.
And then there is the Islamist cesspool that is Clarkston, Ga. I was at the Kroger on DeKalb Industrial once and the number of "letterbox" women was definitely too damn high.

 

[Toni]

Can't say for Somalis, but all the Afghans and Pakistanis I've interacted with blend in just fine.

Then you are lucky. t is certainly not true for Afghans and Pakistanis in general.
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As far as Atlanta area, there is a Pakistani Shia psychiatrist around here who is a big supporter of the Ayatollah Khomeini for example. Education does not always cure Islamic fundamentalism.
And then there is the Islamist cesspool that is Clarkston, Ga. I was at the Kroger on DeKalb Industrial once and the number of "letterbox" women was definitely too damn high.

We've got an entire party here that decries Sharia law without knowing what Sharia law is and at the same time, hating LGBTQ and women and anyone who doesn't look and think (or 'think') like them. Got a lot of them down your way although thankfully Stacy Abrams was able to rally enough black voters to help restore sanity to our nation.

 

[Worldtraveller]

I think you agree that even if "thugs get what they deserve" is true, it doesn't mean they deserve to be killed by agents of the state while disarming themselves.

Everyone(important) agrees with this.

That's why the context is so crucial.

I see Roman Ruben as 95% responsible for this tragedy. Toledo and the cop, a little each. But Ruben and his gang are why a 13y/o had a gun and was shooting at random strangers and put the cop in the position of making a split second decision.
Tom

you are lumping multiple issues in here. That's either a sign of sloppy thinking, or dishonesty.

1. The initial position of being out shooting at cars, I agree with you.
2. The cop being in the position of 'having to make a split second decision', you are 100% wrong.

I'm going to assume you didn't watch the video I posted (by a guy that used to train police officers for these kind of situations). The cop had multiple opportunities, and plenty of time to avoid putting himself in the situation where he felt he had to make a split second decision, or he consciously made the decision long before it happened. After the initial confrontation (before the 13 year old started to run), it was 100% the cop's fault.

 

[Worldtraveller]

I’d be tickled pink to know 90% or anything approaching 90% of the guns were removed from this country. Wouldn’t you?

No. Anything less than 100% would mean that only the bad guys have the guns... .and that is just a stupid idea.
A poster mentioned that other countries have cops that do not carry guns. What, prey tell, is the penalty for a citizen carrying an illegal gun in such a country?
To reach 100% compliance with gun regulations (whatever they are or will be), will require 0% tolerance. IF the US wishes to effectively revoke the 2nd amendment, then possession of a gun will need to carry pretty close to a death penalty.

What do you base this idiocy on?

Try looking at some real countries where they did something like this and get back to us.

 

[Derec]

We've got an entire party here that decries Sharia law without knowing what Sharia law is and at the same time, hating LGBTQ and women and anyone who doesn't look and think (or 'think') like them.

I know full well what Sharia law is. I also have no problem with gay etc. people even though I find some of the activism (like the concatenated alpha bits; it has grown to LGBTQQIAAP now, apparently) quite silly.

Got a lot of them down your way although thankfully Stacy Abrams was able to rally enough black voters to help restore sanity to our nation.

So, white people== insane and black people == sane? That's quite racist.

 

[fromderinside]

Actually, Derec, if you look at cause and effect you'll find that whites fear blacks for imaginary reasons while blacks fear whites for very material reasons. So I give points to Toni.

 

[Derec]

Actually, Derec, if you look at cause and effect you'll find that whites fear blacks for imaginary reasons while blacks fear whites for very material reasons. So I give points to Toni.

You and Toni are full of it!
According to FBI, the number of black-on-white homicides is more than twice the number of white-on-black homicides.



But that does not fit the racist woke narrative, and thus will get ignored in this forum as it is by the mainstream media and Democratic politicians.

 

[zorq]

Actually, Derec, if you look at cause and effect you'll find that whites fear blacks for imaginary reasons while blacks fear whites for very material reasons. So I give points to Toni.

You and Toni are full of it!
According to FBI, the number of black-on-white homicides is more than twice the number of white-on-black homicides.
But that does not fit the racist woke narrative, and thus will get ignored in this forum as it is by the mainstream media and Democratic politicians.

Well, it's not so much that it doesn't fit a particular ideological narrative, it's just that it isn't quite so surprising from a mathematical perspective.

Imagine a population of 400 people at a party, 300 of them are wearing green hats and 100 are wearing orange hats. 4 of these people choose to pull out their revolver and fire 4 shots each straight up into the sky.

Odds are that one of those four people is wearing an orange hat and three are wearing green hats, so let's assume that is the case. What kind of people did Orange shooter hit with his gun? Odds are that she hit three green hats and one orange hat. Orange shooter was 3 times as likely to shoot a green hat as she was an orange hat! But what about the green shooters? They only hit an orange hat 25% of the time!

Clearly the Orange shooter who shoots Green hats at triple the rate of Oranges has a problem and the Good ol Green hats who hardly ever shoots people with a different hat color are merely shooting people at the standard statistical rates. Let's get angry!

 

[J842P]

Actually, Derec, if you look at cause and effect you'll find that whites fear blacks for imaginary reasons while blacks fear whites for very material reasons. So I give points to Toni.

Really? Care to elaborate?

 

[Gun Nut]

I'm pretty sure this makes it clear what happened. This is a reaction time issue:

He dropped the gun and raised his hands--but too late. The cop had already made the shoot decision, .8 seconds is not enough time to present new information (the empty hands) to change his mind. Fuck around with a gun with the cops, expect to be shot.

Seems to me I remember a slightly older kid at a protest who "fucked around with a gun," shot 3 people, and he was able to waltz right by the police, gun in hand, and was politely arrested later.

.. do you also remember the difference between how that person walked towards the cops with his hands up and empty and obeyed the cop's orders to move away from their squad car? Do you remember how adam did exactly the oppposite of that, bt disobeying the legal order the cop gave for him to not run away and to drop the gun, NEITHER of which he did?
You can't see that difference? really? at all?

 

[Gun Nut]

Ah, that mythical "left".

Mythical?

Care to name any names? Or would that highlight your dishonest and intentional misrepresentation of their views.

I already mentioned Ariel Atkins, the #BLM leader in Chicago. Then there is the national #BLM leader Deray McKesson (aka "Vest Boy") who advocated for looting in a Yale lecture a few years ago.
I also already mentioned Jamaal Bowman, the Squad private.

How many more do you want?

Speaking for myself, a publicly elected official within the Legislative branch of government that leads at least one committee is needed for "the left" to be a rational label.
Or can anyone pick any "Florida Man's" comment from youtube and call that "the right"?

"The Right" believes in a flat earth (because at least one flat earther says they are republican).

Pretty dumb, on the surface, right?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Actually, Derec, if you look at cause and effect you'll find that whites fear blacks for imaginary reasons while blacks fear whites for very material reasons. So I give points to Toni.

You and Toni are full of it!
According to FBI, the number of black-on-white homicides is more than twice the number of white-on-black homicides.

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But that does not fit the racist woke narrative, and thus will get ignored in this forum as it is by the mainstream media and Democratic politicians.

But the per-capita risk of black-on-white homicide is less than the per-capita risk of white-on-black homicide. Your data doesn't prove what you think it proves.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'm pretty sure this makes it clear what happened. This is a reaction time issue:

He dropped the gun and raised his hands--but too late. The cop had already made the shoot decision, .8 seconds is not enough time to present new information (the empty hands) to change his mind. Fuck around with a gun with the cops, expect to be shot.

Seems to me I remember a slightly older kid at a protest who "fucked around with a gun," shot 3 people, and he was able to waltz right by the police, gun in hand, and was politely arrested later.

.. do you also remember the difference between how that person walked towards the cops with his hands up and empty and obeyed the cop's orders to move away from their squad car? Do you remember how adam did exactly the oppposite of that, bt disobeying the legal order the cop gave for him to not run away and to drop the gun, NEITHER of which he did?
You can't see that difference? really? at all?

Exactly. Whether you are shot is a matter of how you react to the police far more than it is a matter of the crime you are guilty of. If you kill a cop there's a decent chance you die regardless, otherwise it's your behavior that counts, not your offense or your race.

 

[Toni]

Actually, Derec, if you look at cause and effect you'll find that whites fear blacks for imaginary reasons while blacks fear whites for very material reasons. So I give points to Toni.

Thanks. Not what I was going for but much appreciated.

 

[Toni]

We've got an entire party here that decries Sharia law without knowing what Sharia law is and at the same time, hating LGBTQ and women and anyone who doesn't look and think (or 'think') like them.

I know full well what Sharia law is. I also have no problem with gay etc. people even though I find some of the activism (like the concatenated alpha bits; it has grown to LGBTQQIAAP now, apparently) quite silly.

Got a lot of them down your way although thankfully Stacy Abrams was able to rally enough black voters to help restore sanity to our nation.

So, white people== insane and black people == sane? That's quite racist.

What’s racist is that the system that made it necessary fir someone to rally so many people to work so hard to ensure that eligible voters were able to vote and not excluded from their constitutionally guaranteed rights because white people are scared.

 

[Derec]

What’s racist is that the system that made it necessary fir someone to rally so many people to work so hard to ensure that eligible voters were able to vote and not excluded from their constitutionally guaranteed rights because white people are scared.

Which part of Georgia's law prevents black people specifically from voting? That would be blatantly unconstitutional.

 

[Derec]

But the per-capita risk of black-on-white homicide is less than the per-capita risk of white-on-black homicide. Your data doesn't prove what you think it proves.

Depends if you take perpetrator or victim as your basis. If you account for both, it's still more than 2:1.

In any case, fromderinside's racist notion that everything bad is whites' fault is disproven by this data.

 

[Derec]

Speaking for myself, a publicly elected official within the Legislative branch of government that leads at least one committee is needed for "the left" to be a rational label.

There is no part of "The Left" that necessitates it to consist solely of legislators.
In any case, I mentioned Jamaal Bowman, the newest Squad member who attacked Biden because he denounced rioting in wake of Daunte Wright unrest.

There are others in state legislatures like Charles Barron who threatened that NYC blacks will riot if he doesn't get his way on locking up an Asian cop who accidentally killed a suspect.

Or can anyone pick any "Florida Man's" comment from youtube and call that "the right"?

People in leadership of the #BLM are orders of magnitude more influential than your random Youtube commenter.

 

[Derec]

Odds are that one of those four people is wearing an orange hat and three are wearing green hats, so let's assume that is the case.

This analysis assumes that orange hats and green hats (a planet of hats?) are evenly distributed in the room. That is not a very good model of US society though, even though there are more mixed neighborhoods and other places than decades ago.

In any case, fromderrinside's ramblings about whites being killed by blacks being only "imaginary" is racist tripe.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

But the per-capita risk of black-on-white homicide is less than the per-capita risk of white-on-black homicide. Your data doesn't prove what you think it proves.

Depends if you take perpetrator or victim as your basis. If you account for both, it's still more than 2:1.

In any case, fromderinside's racist notion that everything bad is whites' fault is disproven by this data.

The average black person is more likely to be killed by a white than the average white person is to be killed by a black.