Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[southernhybrid]

She is an air head to be blunt. Democrats are not embracing her.

Did you see how she presented herself during the Cohen hearings? She certainly didn't look like an airhead. I would agree that she has a lot to learn about being in Congress, and there are times when I wish she would be more careful regarding what she says, but she's quite bright.

Some Democrats are embracing her and some aren't. Isn't that the way it is with all politicians? I can embrace a politician even when I don't agree with all of their positions. I like her, but I also like quite a few more moderate politicians. My hope is that if they all learn to work together in a respectful way, they might be able to accomplish some positive things.

I do think it was a huge mistake for the young more liberal members to threaten the more moderate members with primary challenges. In the first place, ultra liberal primary challengers aren't going to win in very moderate or conservative districts. And, if they did win, it's likely that the Republican would take back that district. That's where I think people like AOC have a lot to learn. But, that doesn't make them airheads. It just means they are too idealistic or too unrealistic if you prefer that term.

 

[Patooka]

Here is an interesting take from a guy guy with a very region specific accent:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V1RnieO7mw[/youtube]

Yep, Ocasio-Cortez is nowhere near as smart or capable as Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachman ever were. And let's all be brutally honest; the bar is so fucking low for politicians satire has become obsolete when it comes to criticizing them. So even if Ocasio-Cortez was a fucking moron, that's still a huge improvement.

 

[Testy Calibrate]

She is an air head to be blunt. Democrats are not embracing her.

Um... yes they are.

 

[untermensche]

She is an air head to be blunt. Democrats are not embracing her.

Um... yes they are.

She is espousing Anarchist ideas like democracy in the workplace.

She is something the real left has wanted to see for a while.

 

[just_me]

She is an air head to be blunt. Democrats are not embracing her.

Um... yes they are.

She is espousing Anarchist ideas like democracy in the workplace.

She is something the real left has wanted to see for a while.

I agree, but one of things I've been worried about is if the Democratic party will split into two factions because of these new people? In 2020 those running for the oval office will still have to run to the left during the primary's and then moving back towards the center in the general election. I don't think any of them can be elected just on Democratic votes. Especially when there is a third party person running on the left side as well.

The country is still center right, as far as I've heard and lets face it, most Americans don't know the difference between Socialism and Communism. Many are deathly afraid of those ideas and you can already see the fearmongering from the right.

 

[Harry Bosch]

She is espousing Anarchist ideas like democracy in the workplace.

She is something the real left has wanted to see for a while.

I agree, but one of things I've been worried about is if the Democratic party will split into two factions because of these new people? In 2020 those running for the oval office will still have to run to the left during the primary's and then moving back towards the center in the general election. I don't think any of them can be elected just on Democratic votes. Especially when there is a third party person running on the left side as well.

The country is still center right, as far as I've heard and lets face it, most Americans don't know the difference between Socialism and Communism. Many are deathly afraid of those ideas and you can already see the fearmongering from the right.

Agreed. I think that if the economy stays strong and the republicans convince a majority that the democrats are socialists, Trump will win reelection.

 

[Harry Bosch]

But we couldn't have done it on our own. We needed capital. We brought in an investor who financed our startup. He also had connections in the dental world. We have him 30% and a seat. He pretty much stayed out of the way. But we wouldn't have gotten to where we are now without his trust, connections, and excess cash to invest! BTW: we offered early workers a chance to invest in the company by forgoing some wages in exchange for shares. Most wanted the higher wages. Startups are very risky...

You're making the left's point: a system where productive, talented, creative work cannot be undertaken to help people it can benefit without a third party (who doesn't work but has access to wealth and pieces of paper entitling him to property) to take a cut of the surplus created by the workers, is badly skewed in favor of the third party. You're giving somebody who contributed nothing at all to the value of what you made 30% of the earnings, not because of an immutable law of nature, but because the materials, tools, and infrastructure of production is placed beyond your reach; it must be purchased from its owners, who are not dental device creators but landlords. So, instead of having access to the productive capacity you need to manufacture your product and distribute it to those who could use it purely by virtue of being someone who makes useful things that society can benefit from, you have to borrow money from one person to pay another person for that capacity.

Neither of those people are doing anything inherently worthwhile, and are only needed because capitalism cannot accommodate giving you and people like you direct control of socially productive resources. It's not because there's any kind of shortage or scarcity, either. In America, 20% of our productive capacity--office space, factory floors, machinery, vehicles--sit collecting dust. There are people who want to work, work that needs to be done, and stuff to do it with, but because this is a capitalist society, we must wait for someone who doesn't do any work to buy some of those idle resources, then wait for someone to lend money for others to purchase or rent them, and still others to commit money to renting human beings to use them.

Regardless of the system, the vast majority of startups fail. In the capitalist system, the primary people who bear the risk when a startup fails are the owners. Would you agree that in the socialist system, it's the workers? Your system penalizes the workers when 9 out of 10 startups fail. In the capitalist system, it's the investors who pay this cost. The reason why investors get great returns is to provide the incentive for them to take such a gamble in the first case.

 

[just_me]

She is espousing Anarchist ideas like democracy in the workplace.

She is something the real left has wanted to see for a while.

I agree, but one of things I've been worried about is if the Democratic party will split into two factions because of these new people? In 2020 those running for the oval office will still have to run to the left during the primary's and then moving back towards the center in the general election. I don't think any of them can be elected just on Democratic votes. Especially when there is a third party person running on the left side as well.

The country is still center right, as far as I've heard and lets face it, most Americans don't know the difference between Socialism and Communism. Many are deathly afraid of those ideas and you can already see the fearmongering from the right.

Agreed. I think that if the economy stays strong and the republicans convince a majority that the democrats are socialists, Trump will win reelection.

I don't think President Trump will be getting a second nod. He got in under a protest vote by those who were tired of what they percieved as the rights failures to stop President Obama. You remember he dug into the right's candidates far worse than he went after Secretary Clinton. I think the right turned to him because he was saying the things they, themselves wanted to say to the right wing candidates.

I think there will be some on the right that will throw their hat in the ring, as well. I could see Senator Ted Cruse doing just that. There also might be a right leaning independent running, because not everyone on the right like him going off the foundation with his tweets.

Some of us what solutions stayed instead of saliva sprayed.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Agreed. I think that if the economy stays strong and the republicans convince a majority that the democrats are socialists, Trump will win reelection.

I don't think President Trump will be getting a second nod. He got in under a protest vote by those who were tired of what they percieved as the rights failures to stop President Obama. You remember he dug into the right's candidates far worse than he went after Secretary Clinton. I think the right turned to him because he was saying the things they, themselves wanted to say to the right wing candidates.

I think there will be some on the right that will throw their hat in the ring, as well. I could see Senator Ted Cruse doing just that. There also might be a right leaning independent running, because not everyone on the right like him going off the foundation with his tweets.

Some of us what solutions stayed instead of saliva sprayed.

Wow. I see no evidence that the right is tired of Trump. Zero. In fact, I've never seen a politician so beloved by his base. Even Reagan had detractors in his party. I think that the dems are in trouble if we don't come together under a candidate who can appeal to a broad base and who can inspire people to get out and vote.

 

[ZiprHead]

Agreed. I think that if the economy stays strong and the republicans convince a majority that the democrats are socialists, Trump will win reelection.

I don't think President Trump will be getting a second nod. He got in under a protest vote by those who were tired of what they percieved as the rights failures to stop President Obama. You remember he dug into the right's candidates far worse than he went after Secretary Clinton. I think the right turned to him because he was saying the things they, themselves wanted to say to the right wing candidates.

I think there will be some on the right that will throw their hat in the ring, as well. I could see Senator Ted Cruse doing just that. There also might be a right leaning independent running, because not everyone on the right like him going off the foundation with his tweets.

Some of us what solutions stayed instead of saliva sprayed.

Wow. I see no evidence that the right is tired of Trump. Zero. In fact, I've never seen a politician so beloved by his base. Even Reagan had detractors in his party. I think that the dems are in trouble if we don't come together under a candidate who can appeal to a broad base and who can inspire people to get out and vote.

The Republican party is shrinking and the left is extremely motivated by Trump hatred. Trump won by a huge fluke, Russian interference, and Comey's letter to congress being revealed. Hell, even Bonespur's didn't think he was going to win the last time. I think the chances will be even poorer the next time.

 

[just_me]

Agreed. I think that if the economy stays strong and the republicans convince a majority that the democrats are socialists, Trump will win reelection.

I don't think President Trump will be getting a second nod. He got in under a protest vote by those who were tired of what they percieved as the rights failures to stop President Obama. You remember he dug into the right's candidates far worse than he went after Secretary Clinton. I think the right turned to him because he was saying the things they, themselves wanted to say to the right wing candidates.

I think there will be some on the right that will throw their hat in the ring, as well. I could see Senator Ted Cruse doing just that. There also might be a right leaning independent running, because not everyone on the right like him going off the foundation with his tweets.

Some of us what solutions stayed instead of saliva sprayed.

Wow. I see no evidence that the right is tired of Trump. Zero. In fact, I've never seen a politician so beloved by his base. Even Reagan had detractors in his party. I think that the dems are in trouble if we don't come together under a candidate who can appeal to a broad base and who can inspire people to get out and vote.

The operative term in your sentence is Base. and This is because there are no other candidates out there yet.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Wow. I see no evidence that the right is tired of Trump. Zero. In fact, I've never seen a politician so beloved by his base. Even Reagan had detractors in his party. I think that the dems are in trouble if we don't come together under a candidate who can appeal to a broad base and who can inspire people to get out and vote.

The Republican party is shrinking and the left is extremely motivated by Trump hatred. Trump won by a huge fluke, Russian interference, and Comey's letter to congress being revealed. Hell, even Bonespur's didn't think he was going to win the last time. I think the chances will be even poorer the next time.

You make some very good points. However, ever since Bush Jr. beat John Kerry, I don't take anything for granted. Democrats would be playing it very dangerous if they underestimate Trump and the incredible advantage the republicans have in our election system.

 

[just_me]

Wow. I see no evidence that the right is tired of Trump. Zero. In fact, I've never seen a politician so beloved by his base. Even Reagan had detractors in his party. I think that the dems are in trouble if we don't come together under a candidate who can appeal to a broad base and who can inspire people to get out and vote.

The Republican party is shrinking and the left is extremely motivated by Trump hatred. Trump won by a huge fluke, Russian interference, and Comey's letter to congress being revealed. Hell, even Bonespur's didn't think he was going to win the last time. I think the chances will be even poorer the next time.

You make some very good points. However, ever since Bush Jr. beat John Kerry, I don't take anything for granted. Democrats would be playing it very dangerous if they underestimate Trump and the incredible advantage the republicans have in our election system.

Come on! Kerry against Bush Jr.!!! Kerry had all the warmth of Mit Romney on Sedatives. That wasn't a match up, It was a wash out.

 

[lpetrich]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "And for those wondering, you can read a bit about our staff here: https://t.co/AcxBUtU5Uu" linking to a Washington Post article
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Again, didn’t threaten a primary. I was upset that 26 Dems forced the other 200+ to vote for a pro-ICE provision at the last min without warning. Because I think an agency that pins children down + forcibly injects them w/ antipsychotic drugs shouldn’t be given more power.… https://t.co/K5yfaJG3w9"
So the Democrats have their own Mitch McConnells.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "When you’re trying to justify to yourself + others that we should ignore one of the greatest threats to humanity and imperil all children by denying, deflecting, and delaying action on climate change, you say ridiculous nonsense like this.… https://t.co/brYKHQcOrb" noting Aaron Rupar on Twitter: ".@tedcruz falsely claims Democrats "want to kill all the cows."… "

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "I also fly & use A/C Living in the world as it is isn’t an argument against working towards a better future. The Green New Deal is about putting a LOT of people to work in developing new technologies, building new infrastructure, and getting us to 100% renewable energy.… https://t.co/bqriOy86Wi" referring to New York Post on Twitter: "Gas-guzzling car rides expose AOC's hypocrisy amid Green New Deal pledge [url]https://t.co/TrIl8B53Q5… "[/url] Gas-guzzling car rides expose AOC’s hypocrisy amid Green New Deal pledge at the New York Post

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "I’m pretty heartbroken that there isn’t more denunciation of this outward and blatant expression of bigotry and Islamophobia by a state party. IMO those who stood up against anti-Semitism a few weeks ago should also be calling out the Islamophobia here, too.… https://t.co/LfGVe8neWt" noting CNN Politics on Twitter: "Rep. Ilhan Omar blasts GOP over poster linking her with the 9/11 attacks [url]https://t.co/d1CAy1domZ… "[/url]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "The Post put the fact that I get into cars (while proposing a plan to invest in better car technology) on their front page Pack it up folks, the Pulitzer’s been decided. No one can rival this kind of hard-hitting journalism… https://t.co/uCSaqP2nko"

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "#GreenNewDeal sign spotting at this year’s St. Pat’s For All parade in Sunnyside! … ": "KISS ME IM 4 AOC's GREEN NEW DEAL"

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "According to the GOP, when poor + working people advocate for themselves, we shouldn’t listen bc they’re “irresponsible.” Yet when higher incomes fight for working people,we shouldn’t listen bc they’re“hypocrites.” How about we fight for the right thing bc it’s the right thing?… https://t.co/GXeSbaC0IZ" noting jordan on Twitter: "Conservatives won't be satisfied until @AOC is homeless, wearing only a wooden barrel with suspenders, and hitchhiking her way to Congress with her belonging strung up in a bindle.… https://t.co/iNqeMiiQiv"

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I see no evidence that the right is tired of Trump. Zero. In fact, I've never seen a politician so beloved by his base.

Latest YouGov poll. Look at the numbers under “Party ID” from 2016 compared to today:



Among Republicans, “Strongly Approve” is down 7%. “Strongly Dissaprove” is up 4%. That’s an 11% shift in the most worrisome categories for both Trump and Senate Republicans up for re-election in 2020.

 

[untermensche]

All Trump in office does is eat away at the edges of his support and solidify the opposition to him.

A lot depends on who the Democrats nominate but Trump should be very beatable.

 

[angelo]

All Trump in office does is eat away at the edges of his support and solidify the opposition to him.

A lot depends on who the Democrats nominate but Trump should be very beatable.

According to these figures, Trump is roughly about the level Obama was in 2011, and as we all know, Obama went on to win a second term.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

 

[angelo]

To get back on topic though. AOC, the wild eyed Dem who's green Green New Deal is informed by a world view so askew as to require medical intervention. Look at this daft remark that it seems it's coming from a third grader: " We're, like the world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change." She's also on the record as saying in January, " And, like this is the war; this is our World War 11." Now be honest and say this sound's anything like an elected member of Congress and not a 13 year old school girl!

Magical thinking not so far removed from her counterpart in British Labour's Corbyn who believes the West should follow Venezuela into the grave. " Thank's Hugo Chavez for showing that the poor matter and wealth can be shared." Corbyn wrote in 2013, following the socialist's death. " He made Massive contributions to Venezuela & a very wide world."

No need to remind anyone that Chavez bankrupted his people, who these days visit zoos not to celebrate natural wonders but to select dinner.

Magical thinking that has captured many millenials who still think there's such a thing as a free lunch, but an extremely dangerous ideal that hasn't worked, cannot work or is ever likely to work.

 

[untermensche]

All Trump in office does is eat away at the edges of his support and solidify the opposition to him.

A lot depends on who the Democrats nominate but Trump should be very beatable.

According to these figures, Trump is roughly about the level Obama was in 2011, and as we all know, Obama went on to win a second term.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

Here's how they both look.

Obama:



Trump:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rating

You can see that Obama starts at places Trump never gets near.

You can also see Trump stays about 40% approval the whole time. While Obama is about 50% with a lot of time above 50%.

Conclusion: Trump is far more vulnerable than Obama. He is a despised clown except to racists and others as easily frightened as racists.

There is also this to consider:



https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/9/18/1796668/-UPDATED-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-felony-arrests-and-convictions-as-of-9-17-2018

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gr...sio-cortez-green-new-deal-pompous-little-twit

Like monkeys flinging poo, the right-wing media will use attacks from the right and left, whatever it takes to destroy AOC. She must be stopped at all costs. Socialism cannot become popular. Throw poo and see what sticks, then stick to it, repeating it over and over.