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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Capitalism IS an immoral irredeamable system.

She is spot on.

I like this women more with everything I read about her.

Yes, the Marxist ideal: From each according to his/her abilities; to each according to his/her needs. Just like a family, a papa to make the dough, mama to make the bread and feed the kids who are expected to do just a little according to ability. One big happy family.

Did you know that the lowest income earners pay the highest percentage of their pay for Social Security? And payouts depend on what you earned before retirement, not what you paid in. Those who skip college contribute about a decade more and get no extra benefit. We need fewer people going to college to support Social Security. The people who really don't need it get the prime beef. The people who need it get the scrag. We need more social programs like this to stick it to the poor. Greedy bastards.
 
Capitalism IS an immoral irredeamable system.

She is spot on.

I like this women more with everything I read about her.

Yes, the Marxist ideal: From each according to his/her abilities; to each according to his/her needs. Just like a family, a papa to make the dough, mama to make the bread and feed the kids who are expected to do just a little according to ability. One big happy family.

Did you know that the lowest income earners pay the highest percentage of their pay for Social Security? And payouts depend on what you earned before retirement, not what you paid in. Those who skip college contribute about a decade more and get no extra benefit. We need fewer people going to college to support Social Security. The people who really don't need it get the prime beef. The people who need it get the scrag. We need more social programs like this to stick it to the poor. Greedy bastards.

I'm glad you brought up how meagre and broken American social programs are, especially after decades of right-wing assault.
 
Capitalism IS an immoral irredeamable system.

She is spot on.

I like this women more with everything I read about her.

Yes, the Marxist ideal: From each according to his/her abilities; to each according to his/her needs. Just like a family, a papa to make the dough, mama to make the bread and feed the kids who are expected to do just a little according to ability. One big happy family.

Did you know that the lowest income earners pay the highest percentage of their pay for Social Security? And payouts depend on what you earned before retirement, not what you paid in. Those who skip college contribute about a decade more and get no extra benefit. We need fewer people going to college to support Social Security. The people who really don't need it get the prime beef. The people who need it get the scrag. We need more social programs like this to stick it to the poor. Greedy bastards.

Social Security is one of the greatest social programs in history.

It took a destitute and impoverished group, several of them actually, and created a thriving active class.

It spared many people the burden of caring for their parents financially.

Yet some don't like it because the Republicans have fucked with it and tried to destroy it and deliberately try to hurt the poor with their tax schemes.

My guess is you have helped put a lot of these Republican assholes in power.
 
Capitalism IS an immoral irredeamable system.

She is spot on.

I like this women more with everything I read about her.

Yes, the Marxist ideal: From each according to his/her abilities; to each according to his/her needs. Just like a family, a papa to make the dough, mama to make the bread and feed the kids who are expected to do just a little according to ability. One big happy family.

Did you know that the lowest income earners pay the highest percentage of their pay for Social Security? And payouts depend on what you earned before retirement, not what you paid in. Those who skip college contribute about a decade more and get no extra benefit. We need fewer people going to college to support Social Security. The people who really don't need it get the prime beef. The people who need it get the scrag. We need more social programs like this to stick it to the poor. Greedy bastards.

Social Security is one of the greatest social programs in history.

It took a destitute and impoverished group, several of them actually, and created a thriving active class.

It spared many people the burden of caring for their parents financially.

Yet some don't like it because the Republicans have fucked with it and tried to destroy it and deliberately try to hurt the poor with their tax schemes.

My guess is you have helped put a lot of these Republican assholes in power.

I think he's saying that those who sacrifice the most for SS get the least benefit from it.
 
Social Security is one of the greatest social programs in history.

It took a destitute and impoverished group, several of them actually, and created a thriving active class.

It spared many people the burden of caring for their parents financially.

Yet some don't like it because the Republicans have fucked with it and tried to destroy it and deliberately try to hurt the poor with their tax schemes.

My guess is you have helped put a lot of these Republican assholes in power.

I think he's saying that those who sacrifice the most for SS get the least benefit from it.

But he doesn't seem to have a clue why.

Perhaps it's those people who have said they want to destroy Social Security? Members of the Republican party. It ain't capitalism you know.
 
 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - The Gospel of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez states that she worked at Flats Fix - Taco Y Tequila Bar in New York | Order Tacos & Burritos Online | Delivery, Takeout & Dine in:
“When my family was struggling to make ends meet,” she recalled in an upbeat Remezcla interview posted just days before she upset 10-term incumbent Joseph Crowley in the district’s Democratic primary, “I had a day job, and I waitressed, and I bartend, and I was shoulder-to-shoulder with undocumented people in the back of the house.”

Bar patrons at Flats Fix were among the earliest allies of Ocasio-Cortez’s campaign for Congress.

“The people who made our graphics and our fliers and stuff were regulars at the bar where I was bartending,” she said in a post-primary interview with popular New York City radio host Laura Styles of Hot 97.
Links to Celine Dyer - Cute, cozy spot with great margaritas and bangin'... at Facebook:
Cute, cozy spot with great margaritas and bangin' burritos.

Bartenders were slow and inattentive, but the waitress (Alexandra, I believe) and her amazing service and the delicious food and drinks (the latter of which the waitress Also had to make for me) more than made up for it.

That Remezcla interview: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Could Be The First Latina to Represent Her District in Congress - YouTube. She pronounces her name in it, and she does some campaigning: "Buenos días, estoy postulando por Congreso aquí en el área" Google Translate: "Good morning, I'm running for Congress here in the area"

Even back then, she was advocating Medicare for all, tuition-free public college, and abolishing ICE. She says that there is a difference between voting for her just because of her ethnicity and voting for her because she will give better representation to members of her ethnicity. She also stated that many people don't vote because there is no candidate who seems like they speak for them. Good reason to make it easier for alternatives to the two major parties to compete, like instant-runoff voting and proportional representation. Failing that, one can compete in the primaries, as AOC herself did.

After describing how she got over 5,000 signatures for entering the race on very short notice without big money behind her, she described how her main competition, 20-year incumbent Joe Crowley, had lived in Virginia full time and not in the area that he represented.
 
A Conversation with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez back in June 2018, after her defeat of Joe Crowley.
I had worked for the late Senator Ted Kennedy years ago — actually, in his immigration office. I found it all to be incredibly fulfilling and satisfying work, but I never really saw myself running on my own. I counted out that possibility because I felt that possibility had counted out me. I felt like the only way to effectively run for office is if you had access to a lot of wealth, high social influence, a lot of high dynastic power, and I knew that I didn’t have any of those things.

The tipping point was was when I was at Standing Rock in 2016, and I saw how all of the people there — particularly the Native people and the Lakota Sioux — were putting their whole lives and everything that they had on the line for the protection of their community. I saw how a corporation had literally militarized itself against the American people, and I just felt like we were at a point where we couldn’t afford to ignore politics anymore. We couldn’t afford to write off our collective power in self-governance anymore out of cynicism. It was the day that I got off camp that a national organization, Brand New Congress, called me and asked if I’d be willing to run.
In other words, one did not have to be an oligarch or an oligarch lackey. One does have to do a lot of work in getting out the vote, however, and that is what AOC was willing to do. She even showed off some very worn running shoes from her campaigning.

Then the issue of socialism, something that the Right uses as a dirty word.
I believe that every American should have stable, dignified housing; health care; education — that the most very basic needs to sustain modern life should be guaranteed in a moral society.

You can call that whatever you want to call that. Legislatively, when I knock on a door, the way that it looks like is improved and expanded Medicare for all; it looks like housing is a human right; it looks like a federal jobs guarantee that guarantees a $15 minimum wage, paid family and sick leave, and health care. It looks like tuition-free public college, it looks like the exploration and expansion of federal student-loans forgiveness. When I knock on a door and tell people that that’s the world that I’m fighting for, it’s a no-brainer. In fact, this has almost been a non-conversation actually for voters. I was expecting it to be a bigger deal than it was, and people don’t even bat an eye.
She notes correctly that one cannot separate class and race issues, that it's not just white people that are lower-middle-class working people.
 
The tipping point was was when I was at Standing Rock in 2016,
Surely, this bit is not to be forgotten - she is one of the Standing Rock nutburgers. As we have discussed at length, the whole thing was a manufactured issue. There is no real danger to the Mississippi River, the pipeline does not cross Indian land, and the company was willing to change the exact routing numerous times in response to input. The Standing Rock tribe did not want dialogue, they wanted to kill the "Black Snake" by any means necessary.

and I saw how all of the people there — particularly the Native people and the Lakota Sioux — were putting their whole lives and everything that they had on the line for the protection of their community.
They were not protecting anything, as there never was any danger. Hell, even the inlet for tribal water supply is upstream from where DAPL crosses the Mississippi. The whole thing was a farce, best illustrated by this image.

Yes, they are protesting a oil pipeline by driving a gas guzzler for more than a 1000 miles to get there. And then begging for gasoline because you ran out! The irony is thick!
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To paraphrase a parody of a German anti-nuke slogan: Pipelines, no thanks! My gas comes from the gas station!

I saw how a corporation had literally militarized itself against the American people,
Indians really need to choose - do they want to be part of the "American people", or do they want to be sovereign? You can't really be both.
That said, the DAPL constructors were defending themselves against a violent mob that did things like chain themselves or even destroy construction equipment or raise tents in the way of construction. Does AOC really suggest companies should be powerless against an angry mob? If a group of pro-lifers decides to fight construction of a Planned Parenthood clinic by destroying equipment and camping at the construction site, should Planned Parenthood and the construction company be powerless to prevent them doing that? Or does this only apply for left-wing causes like being against pipelines?

I believe that every American should have stable, dignified housing; health care; education — that the most very basic needs to sustain modern life should be guaranteed in a moral society.
We already have free K-12 education and programs like Medicaid and Section 8. However ...

You can call that whatever you want to call that. Legislatively, when I knock on a door, the way that it looks like is improved and expanded Medicare for all; it looks like housing is a human right; it looks like a federal jobs guarantee that guarantees a $15 minimum wage,
Federal jobs guarantee? At $15/h? Who is going to pay for that? And what are all these people with guaranteed jobs going to be doing all day? Not to mention that if this federal job is guaranteed, you can do whatever you want, as there is no incentive to work hard or at all. That was the case in eastern European countries during the era of Actually Existing Socialism. Of course, that is not sustainable in the long run, hence the old Soviet joke, "we will pretend to work as long as they pretend to pay us". :)

It looks like tuition-free public college,
That's an interesting idea, but needs to be looked at carefully. Countries like Germany have free public universities, but there are some caveats. For one, fewer people attend those than attend university in US - many people go the vocational training route where days at school and on the job training as an apprentice are alternated. Second, German universities tend to be more spartan compared to their US counterparts when it comes to amenities.

it looks like the exploration and expansion of federal student-loans forgiveness. When I knock on a door and tell people that that’s the world that I’m fighting for, it’s a no-brainer. In fact, this has almost been a non-conversation actually for voters. I was expecting it to be a bigger deal than it was, and people don’t even bat an eye.
Sure, everybody would like to have their student loans canceled. But should the taxpayers really pay off over a trillion dollars in outstanding student loans, including say a $200,000 loan for an art history degree from a fancy private liberal arts college? Should people who were responsible, attended a public school with much more affordable tuition and thus were able to be pay off their student loans be asked to pay off student loans of people who were not thinking of having to repay the student loans they signed up for?

She notes correctly that one cannot separate class and race issues, that it's not just white people that are lower-middle-class working people.
The problem is that the left always uses race issues to pit whites against so-called "people of color", which are given preference. Look at the ridiculous debate over "reparations". As if almost 50 years of racial preferences in college admissions and hiring wasn't reparation enough!
 
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Just because you have a degree doesn't mean you will be handed a job in that field. A lot of people take whatever paying job they can get while they spend time doing unpaid apprentice type work training, or work as temps, or work on short term projects:
Yes, but she wasn't a recent graduate.

Wikipedia said:
After the general election, she traveled across America by car, visiting places such as Flint, Michigan, and Standing Rock Indian Reservation in North Dakota, and speaking to people affected by the Flint water crisis and the Dakota Access Pipeline.[41]
No wonder she could not get a real job gallivanting all around the US!

Used to be we respected hard working folks in this country.
I find no fault with her having worked hard. Protesting pipelines is not hard work though.
And you must admit her career path is quite strange.
 
abolishing ICE. She says that there is a difference between voting for her just because of her ethnicity and voting for her because she will give better representation to members of her ethnicity.
And then there is what she is doing - trying to get millions of people of her ethnicity to flood the US. After all, she was only elected because the demographic of that district changed due to all the mass migration and the incumbent was not hispanic enough.

She also stated that many people don't vote because there is no candidate who seems like they speak for them. Good reason to make it easier for alternatives to the two major parties to compete, like instant-runoff voting and proportional representation. Failing that, one can compete in the primaries, as AOC herself did.
Proportional representation would be interesting, as it would open the door to minor parties to get elected. NY has 27 Congressional districts. If those were allocated proportionally through an at-large election you would only need 3.7% of the vote per elected representative.

After describing how she got over 5,000 signatures for entering the race on very short notice without big money behind her, she described how her main competition, 20-year incumbent Joe Crowley, had lived in Virginia full time and not in the area that he represented.
Didn't AOC get some swanky digs in DC as soon as she got sworn in?
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez tweet: workers are 'paid far less than the value they create' - Business Insider
  • Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez tweeted, "Workers are often paid far less than the value they create."
  • That is essentially a restatement of Karl Marx's "Labour Theory of Value."
  • The theory suggests that economies run into trouble when workers can't afford to buy the products they are making.
  • Investment bank analysts at Citi, HSBC, and Macquarie are worrying over the same issue.
  • There are so few rich people, and so many people sharing a declining portion of wealth, that the next recession might actually be exacerbated by the inequality that low pay has created, these analysts argue.
  • You can't successfully run an economy based on the spending power of a tiny number of rich people.
A common way to get around that problem is to lend money to people, and have bankruptcy laws where creditors won't necessarily get all their money back. Lending money produces a similar problem, especially with lending at interest. Debtors lose money to creditors. A way out is for governments to print money, but that can cause inflation.
 
Why are we still talking about $15 minimum wage, it's been like 5 years since that number was floated and it's already been outpaced by inflation
 
And then there is what she is doing - trying to get millions of people of her ethnicity to flood the US. After all, she was only elected because the demographic of that district changed due to all the mass migration and the incumbent was not hispanic enough.

Wow!
 
Capitalism IS an immoral irredeamable system.

She is spot on.

I like this women more with everything I read about her.

Yes, the Marxist ideal: From each according to his/her abilities; to each according to his/her needs. Just like a family, a papa to make the dough, mama to make the bread and feed the kids who are expected to do just a little according to ability. One big happy family.

Did you know that the lowest income earners pay the highest percentage of their pay for Social Security?
This is true to people making up to the cut off limit. They all pay the same percentage. Is this an argument against Social Security?
And payouts depend on what you earned before retirement, not what you paid in.
I thought it was based on the 30 highest quarters or something. And it generally does track towards what you paid in. They are equivalent, but it isn't irrelevant by a long shot.
Those who skip college contribute about a decade more and get no extra benefit. We need fewer people going to college to support Social Security. The people who really don't need it get the prime beef.
What is your cut off for people that 'don't need it'?

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And then there is what she is doing - trying to get millions of people of her ethnicity to flood the US. After all, she was only elected because the demographic of that district changed due to all the mass migration and the incumbent was not hispanic enough.

Wow!
Not really that much of an eye opener. An out spoken woman, who is notably attractive, and in a position of power? That pretty much guarantees the rage posting.

I find her to be an odd cookie. She has made some really technical statements and shows great maturity with her decisions/statements/actions, but at times seems as hollow as a 100 year old dead tree, and sometimes she makes statements that expose her lack of experience.
 
And then there is what she is doing - trying to get millions of people of her ethnicity to flood the US. After all, she was only elected because the demographic of that district changed due to all the mass migration and the incumbent was not hispanic enough.

Wow!
You're still surprised by derec's racism?
 
Social Security is one of the greatest social programs in history.

It took a destitute and impoverished group, several of them actually, and created a thriving active class.

It spared many people the burden of caring for their parents financially.

Yet some don't like it because the Republicans have fucked with it and tried to destroy it and deliberately try to hurt the poor with their tax schemes.

My guess is you have helped put a lot of these Republican assholes in power.

I think he's saying that those who sacrifice the most for SS get the least benefit from it.

But he doesn't seem to have a clue why.

Perhaps it's those people who have said they want to destroy Social Security? Members of the Republican party. It ain't capitalism you know.

Perhaps not. Progressive economists advocate raising the minimum benefit to $2k/mnth. Even Hillary Clinton advocated increasing the minimum benefit. None of which conflicts with his post.
 
And then there is what she is doing - trying to get millions of people of her ethnicity to flood the US. After all, she was only elected because the demographic of that district changed due to all the mass migration and the incumbent was not hispanic enough.

Wow!

It's even funnier when you remember that her ethnicity is Puerto Rican.
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says ‘we should be excited about automation’ - The Verge
During a talk at SXSW, an audience member asked Ocasio-Cortez about the threat of automated labor. “We should not be haunted by the specter of being automated out of work,” she said in response. “We should be excited by that. But the reason we’re not excited by it is because we live in a society where if you don’t have a job, you are left to die. And that is, at its core, our problem.”

... “We should be excited about automation, because what it could potentially mean is more time educating ourselves, more time creating art, more time investing in and investigating the sciences, more time focused on invention, more time going to space, more time enjoying the world that we live in,” she said. “Because not all creativity needs to be bonded by wage.”

... “We should be working the least amount we’ve ever worked, if we were actually paid based on how much wealth we were producing,” she said. “But we’re not. We’re paid on how little we’re desperate enough to accept. And then the rest is skimmed off and given to a billionaire.”
Maybe not "fully automated luxury communism", but more than a guaranteed basic income.


Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "I’m a believer in privacy - which means I reject unlimited, unchecked, warrantless surveillance. Tracking consent should be given freely (aka not holding a service hostage for it) - whether it’s a gov or a corp. Warrants, & their requirements, are supposed to mean something.… https://t.co/CvJ3HSJf1d" noting Ben Smith on Twitter: "These Documents Reveal The Government’s Detailed Plan For Using Facial Recognition On All International Passengers In Top 20 US Airports [url]https://t.co/X7F9Lel3hc via @daveyalba"[/url]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Even billionaires are acknowledging it, folks. When 40% of Americans can’t afford basic needs, or a $400 emergency, the problem isn’t unique. It’s systemic. That’s not good for anyone. Even billionaires know they can’t shield themselves from this kind of perilous instability.… https://t.co/FnzL0cVcxN" noting CNBC on Twitter: ""Capitalism basically is not working for the majority of people," hedge fund billionaire Ray Dalio says. https://t.co/V1I2H2LHMj"

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "This is why we advocate for: - Medicare for All - Tuition-free public college - Investing in dignified jobs that build our nation + get us to 100% renewables before it’s too late. These are investments in people, not profits. Corps aren’t incentivized to ensure people’s health."

Carlos Maza on Twitter: "Media coverage of @AOC's Green New Deal has focused on "strategy" over substance: asking "is it popular?" instead of "is it a good policy idea?" That's called "tactical framing," and it's making us more cynical about big policy ideas: https://t.co/BCWtml3X46"
 
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